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Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

The problem they'll have with Lashley is his contract with Bellator. There's no way on earth WWE would give him the freedom they give Lesnar to do both, it just wouldn't happen.


I don’t see them giving Lashley the luxury of a Lesnar deal as he doesn’t have the star attraction value that Brock brings. However they may be willing to grant him time off for an occasional fight and then promote it on WWE tv as a way of building up his character. I don’t see Lashley getting a 5-6 matches a year deal like Brock though.
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ECIII is a no brainer, creative didn’t have any ideas for him as Derek Bateman previously in WWE, but he went to TNA and found a character that really worked for him and he also developed as a performer. I think he will be recruited for NXT. Hopefully WWE allow him to keep using his ECIII gimmick.

Not when the "C" in ECIII stands for Carter. Tongue

With ECIII/Bateman should he come back, along with Drew McIntyre, I recently noticed a trend of people initially trying in WWE to mediocrity, subsequently leaving WWE, making a name for himself elsewhere, and then coming back to a bigger plateau. It was kind of a similar trend for Festus, making a name for himself in Japan as a member of the Bullet Club and then being treated in a different way upon coming back to WWE that he would never have been treated before... when he was Festus or a member of Straight Edge Society. 

It's not that WWE forgot how to develop somebody; it's more so that some people have a better fit elsewhere in a small pond. But then once they are established, their reputation is a little more stable.     

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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:


ECIII is a no brainer, creative didn’t have any ideas for him as Derek Bateman previously in WWE, but he went to TNA and found a character that really worked for him and he also developed as a performer. I think he will be recruited for NXT. Hopefully WWE allow him to keep using his ECIII gimmick.


Not when the "C" in ECIII stands for Carter. Tongue

With ECIII/Bateman should he come back, along with Drew McIntyre, I recently noticed a trend of people initially trying in WWE to mediocrity, subsequently leaving WWE, making a name for himself elsewhere, and then coming back to a bigger plateau. It was kind of a similar trend for Festus, making a name for himself in Japan as a member of the Bullet Club and then being treated in a different way upon coming back to WWE that he would never have been treated before... when he was Festus or a member of Straight Edge Society. 

It's not that WWE forgot how to develop somebody; it's more so that some people have a better fit elsewhere in a small pond. But then once they are established, their reputation is a little more stable.     


Yes I see your point but they could allow him to use the gimmick with a slightly tweaked name. Dare I say they introduce him as a illegitimate son of Vince McMahon

McIntyre I think needed seasoning. He was pushed too hard too young first time around as was Bobby Lashley, as a result both failed to get over. Drew went to the indies and TNA and honed his craft gained experience and established a reputation for himself. Now back in NXT he’s using pretty much the same more darker character he used in TNA and he’s instantly over.

But yeah I see your point sometimes the only answer is to branch out and start fresh elsewhere, I think this might be the direction guys like Jack Swagger, Apollo Crews and the Ascension have to take.
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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:


ECIII is a no brainer, creative didn’t have any ideas for him as Derek Bateman previously in WWE, but he went to TNA and found a character that really worked for him and he also developed as a performer. I think he will be recruited for NXT. Hopefully WWE allow him to keep using his ECIII gimmick.

Not when the "C" in ECIII stands for Carter. Tongue

With ECIII/Bateman should he come back, along with Drew McIntyre, I recently noticed a trend of people initially trying in WWE to mediocrity, subsequently leaving WWE, making a name for himself elsewhere, and then coming back to a bigger plateau. It was kind of a similar trend for Festus, making a name for himself in Japan as a member of the Bullet Club and then being treated in a different way upon coming back to WWE that he would never have been treated before... when he was Festus or a member of Straight Edge Society. 

It's not that WWE forgot how to develop somebody; it's more so that some people have a better fit elsewhere in a small pond. But then once they are established, their reputation is a little more stable.     

This is typical in the world of business as a whole. You leave a company because you're not satisfied with your current position, go somewhere else to take advantage of an opportunity not available to you at your current company, you prove yourself, and come back. Employers in general seem to like that.

In pro-wrestling it used to happen all the time during the 80's and 90's. Go to WCW, ECW, AWA, Mid-South, etc., prove you're more than a jobber and then come back. In some cases you'd have to do it twice to really reach the main event spot in the WWF.

I think had Bubba Ray been 10 years younger, this last run of his would have seen him as a main event singles talent and with a world championship run.
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Good shout on Bubba, if he hadn’t been so near the end of his career I think he would have definitely become a major heel in WWE, the guy was superb as Bully Ray, young talent should take note of his promos.

WWE obviously realised he was wrapping up his in ring days and only used the Dudleys as a brief nostalgia act when they finally returned.
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I haven't watched tna in years so if they have anyone else worth grabbing I'll be pleased to see them come to NXT.

So far everyone from AJ Styles to Samoa Joe have been treated well since coming over and I'm sure anyone else from there would be treated well as well.

Bobby Lashley coming back would be great but at 41 years I doubt he could give WWE more then about 5 years before he starts to break down

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Not everyone... Not pleased at all with what they're doing with Bobby Roode, and the Austin Aries thing was a total bust. Xavier Woods was floundering before he got lucky enough to be included in New Day. R-Truth should have been far better. Low Ki washed out twice.

AJ Styles and Samoa Joe seem to be the exception thus far.

I guess we'll see what happens Eric Young.

That said, I'd still like to see Christopher Daniels to get a run in WWE, but I suppose he's getting to be too old at this point.
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I would have loved to have seen Bad Influence(Kazarian and Daniels) in WWE, but Daniels is too old now to be considered for anything for more than a producer and maybe the odd NXT appearance. Motor City Machineguns I would have liked to have seen in NXT too but they seem to have fallen off the radar.

Roode was excellent in NXT but so far on Smackdown he’s been pretty lukewarm. He needs more time though.

Biggest TNA past flops would be Low-Ki, Kazarian(didn’t even appear on Raw or Smackdown), Chris Harris, Monty Brown(although I think family issues cut his run short). R-Truth should have done better but his one big push got cut short due to injury or a wellness bust I think, he’s too old now to do anything of note.
Austin Aries I was ecstatic when he joined WWE but 205 Live seemed to be his WWE career killer. Shame because he could have been so much more.

Styles has achieved so much more than I ever thought he would in WWE, so has Samoa Joe but it’s a different era now. Eric Young I think will do fine as part of the Sanity group. Gunner is down in NXT but not really been seen as yet.

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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Not everyone... Not pleased at all with what they're doing with Bobby Roode, and the Austin Aries thing was a total bust. Xavier Woods was floundering before he got lucky enough to be included in New Day. R-Truth should have been far better. Low Ki washed out twice.

AJ Styles and Samoa Joe seem to be the exception thus far.

I guess we'll see what happens Eric Young.

That said, I'd still like to see Christopher Daniels to get a run in WWE, but I suppose he's getting to be too old at this point.



R-Truth had a problem with injury and keeping himself off drugs I believe he has two wellness violations 


Austin Aries was reportedly very difficult to work with and demanded he be made champion plus he was pissed about his match with Neville being pulled off the DVD.


Low Ki was just not gonna get over he was so dull yes he had a good wrestling moveset but he had nothing else no charisma no nothing. 
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Originally posted by L-shizzel L-shizzel wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Not everyone... Not pleased at all with what they're doing with Bobby Roode, and the Austin Aries thing was a total bust. Xavier Woods was floundering before he got lucky enough to be included in New Day. R-Truth should have been far better. Low Ki washed out twice.

AJ Styles and Samoa Joe seem to be the exception thus far.

I guess we'll see what happens Eric Young.

That said, I'd still like to see Christopher Daniels to get a run in WWE, but I suppose he's getting to be too old at this point.




R-Truth had a problem with injury and keeping himself off drugs I believe he has two wellness violations 


Austin Aries was reportedly very difficult to work with and demanded he be made champion plus he was pissed about his match with Neville being pulled off the DVD.


Low Ki was just not gonna get over he was so dull yes he had a good wrestling moveset but he had nothing else no charisma no nothing. 


Agreed Low-Ki was dull and nothing about him stood out to me, I never really got what all the fuss was about with him. Saw him recently wrestling in TNA in a full suit and tie, he looked ridiculous and it must have restricted his movements.

I think Aries was much like CM Punk when it came to his attitude. I think Punk was at least smart enough to wait until he’d achieved headliner status and was considered valuable before he started giving it the big one backstage.

Quote The big buzz this week in wrestling is New Japan Pro Wrestling’s Wrestle Kingdom 12 show and the New Year Dash show that sets the tone for the feuds for the rest of the year.

War Machine (Hanson and Raymond Rowe) finished up with NJPW at the New Year Dash show. In fact, they gave their notice to the company in early December and they are expected to sign soon with WWE. We don’t know when they will debut but the betting line is that they will show up on NXT sometime within the next few months. They are former IWGP Tag Team Champions and they’ve also held the ROH Tag Team Championship.

Meanwhile, Ricochet’s non-compete with Lucha Underground is set to expire within the next few days. His contract with them stipulated that he was free and clear after the last episode of the recent season but he could not appear on TV for another promotion for another 90 days. Well, those 90 days are almost up and he is expected in NXT soon.

Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter was asked about the status of War Machine and Richochet and he confirmed everything that’s been previously reported.


Don’t think I’ve ever seen War Machine wrestle but I saw a bit of Ricochet as Prince Puma in Lucha Underground, he’s quite a flyer from what I can remember.

With new blood in NXT I think Sanity, Authors of Pain and No Way Jose will be the next to hit the main roster.
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