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I would say the NXT class of 2012 is very comparable to the OVH class of 2002. In OVH you had Cena, Orton, Batista, Lesnar and Benjamin, and 4 out of those 5 were WWE champions within 5 years of their debut. Well the same can be said of NXT 2012. Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, as well as Paige were all at the top of their division in under 5 years.

So far the only champions in singles competition that have been around 5 years and not been a big success in one capacity or another as far as championship runs are concerned are... Hmm no one. The very bottom of that totem pole are the Miztourage/B-Team, yet they've had a great run for themselves.

Rollins is a grand slam champion
Big E is the best guy in The New Day and a 4 time a record holding tag champion
Bo Dallas, yeah ok...
Neville's situation is complicated.
Zayn had a mediocre face run but is doing well as a heel.
Balor was the first ever universal champion
Owens has been universal champion
Joe hasn't been on the roster 5 years yet and has been hampered with injuries
Nakamura was in the wwe championship match at wrestlemania
Drew McIntyre got injured but looks well on his way to becoming WWE champion in due time.
Roode has been around just over a year and is a heel turn away from being one of the best things in the wwe.
Andrade Cien Almas just debuted a matter of weeks ago
And Alistair Black is the current NXT champion

I'd say that a pretty good track record.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Rollins is a grand slam champion
Big E is the best guy in The New Day and a 4 time a record holding tag champion
Bo Dallas, yeah ok...
Neville's situation is complicated.
Zayn had a mediocre face run but is doing well as a heel.
Balor was the first ever universal champion
Owens has been universal champion
Joe hasn't been on the roster 5 years yet and has been hampered with injuries
Nakamura was in the wwe championship match at wrestlemania
Drew McIntyre got injured but looks well on his way to becoming WWE champion in due time.
Roode has been around just over a year and is a heel turn away from being one of the best things in the wwe.
Andrade Cien Almas just debuted a matter of weeks ago
And Alistair Black is the current NXT champion

I'd say that a pretty good track record.

Nice list but not one guy E made from scratch into a main event player.

Good list of guys signed up off the back of what they learned working for other companies.

For the cost of running developmental and for all the hype the weekly show and PPVs get, it's not producing anywhere near as well as it should be. 
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That's basically always going to be the case though. WWE treats all the other wrestling company like their pre-developmental organizations. Outside experience is a great thing too.

On the other hand, Reigns and Wyatt are perfect examples of nobodies coming out of obscurity to become WWE champions.

As far as THAT is concerned I expect Elias to be the next in another couple years. Truly home-grown talent is very hard to come by, but then you could look to the 4 Horsewomen for that. Becky was really the only one with any amount of meaningful experience outside WWE developmental and even for her it wasn't much as she was about to give up on wrestling.

Charlotte in particular is a prime example of such homegrown talent who came from nowhere else, just the learning tree of her father (and that completely failed her brothers), and rose to become one of the biggest names in the division not just today, but from just about any era that's come before as well.

Maybe you don't like the women's division, and that's fine, but you have to still acknowledge that she's a big name star WWE made. If rumors are to be believed she'll be main eventing wrestlemania next year.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

That's basically always going to be the case though. WWE treats all the other wrestling company like their pre-developmental organizations. Outside experience is a great thing too.

On the other hand, Reigns and Wyatt are perfect examples of nobodies coming out of obscurity to become WWE champions.

As far as THAT is concerned I expect Elias to be the next in another couple years. Truly home-grown talent is very hard to come by, but then you could look to the 4 Horsewomen for that. Becky was really the only one with any amount of meaningful experience outside WWE developmental and even for her it wasn't much as she was about to give up on wrestling.

Charlotte in particular is a prime example of such homegrown talent who came from nowhere else, just the learning tree of her father (and that completely failed her brothers), and rose to become one of the biggest names in the division not just today, but from just about any era that's come before as well.

Maybe you don't like the women's division, and that's fine, but you have to still acknowledge that she's a big name star WWE made. If rumors are to be believed she'll be main eventing wrestlemania next year.

Reigns and Wyatt are good examples. Ambrose has done well too. 

The amount of money ploughed into it they shouldn't be so reliant on outside companies. One of the NXT early success stories was ROH guy Tyler Black.

They have had better success with the female division because ROH have only recently started one to poach from. I would expect Impact women like Rosemary and Allie to end up there at some point though.
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Ambrose had a name for himself in Combat Zone Wrestling as Jon Moxley. He had some bloody matches that got people making comparisons to Foley. That's why the Foley fued that tried and failed to happen in WWE was even attempted.

I see where you're coming from now. Kevin Steen, Tyler Black, Jon Moxley, El Generico, Nakamura, Samoe Joe, Prince Devit all had clout elsewhere.

I have talked about this before myself that NXT isn't making homegrown stars at the rate it seems like they should be. However aside from Kana and Kairi Hojo every woman has. Even Paige for all her traveling was a no one before she became Paige. As for the men, even if some of them had a small following before coming to NXT, while I had heard of Tyler Black, and Jon Moxley, and Kevin Steen and El Generico, and Prince Devit. If you lined them all up next to each other in street clothes and told me to name them, I couldn't have. The only ones who I could put a name to the face were the TNA guys.

For that reason I'd still say NXT is doing a good job of making new stars on the main roster.

It would be nice to see more people come from nowhere to become big names on the main roster as a result of NXT and ONLY NXT.

Braun Strowman is another good example, except that he never featured on the NXT television show, so that still doesn't quite help.

What do you think about Alistair Black in terms of pre-NXT stardom? I had never heard of him before. And of course Patrick Clark aka Velveteen Dream also has the potential to make it big on the main roster.

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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Ambrose had a name for himself in Combat Zone Wrestling as Jon Moxley. He had some bloody matches that got people making comparisons to Foley. That's why the Foley fued that tried and failed to happen in WWE was even attempted.


I remember that what a great feud it would have been. Ambrose instead became more of a Roddy Piper type character but I hope when he finally turns heel we may see the Hardcore Ambrose resurrected.

On the whole I think NXT has been a success, it’s fair to say that only Rollins and Reigns are solidified main eventers so far but a whole list of decent talent has migrated to the main roster in guys like Owens, Balor, Wyatt, Zayn, Nakamura, Joe, the list goes on. At the same time NXT has become a stand alone brand producing a very good alternative to standard WWE tv and NXT has a cult following comparable to what ECW had.

Also what is wrong with taking talent from other companies like TNA and ROH? It’s a tried and tested recruitment method. NXT still serves a very important purpose in having these talents learn and get to grips with the WWE style and maybe fine tune their character for mainstream tv.
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I'm sure my posts aren't always read properly. When I bumped this thread I put "<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">The success rate of call ups is so low since the initial batch". That can't be argued against. So few in recent years have got close to the level expected.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">I watched early NXT, but seeing guys like Reigns doing excellent on call up made the show more worthy.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">Seeing guys called up from there now not particularly doing much makes it less of a must see show when you've an idea the way it's going to go.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">They have spent millions creating new main eventers and it's been a failure brand. They get trained by coaches who have done little or nothing at all in the big leagues, to pass on their knowledge of the industry such as Dean Malenko and Sara Del Rey.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">They have other coaches who did OK like thirty years ago when the business was totally different and they have their old fashioned and outdated ideas like Arn Anderson and Michael Hayes.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">The trainers are so bad at producing fresh talent to make good money (like Reigns and Rollins in the early days) that they are heavily reliant on taking guys from other companies that are already well known such as Styles, Nakamura, Roode, EC3 etc.</span>
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<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb43, 43, 43;">Ohio Valley was a much cheaper developmental and Jim Ross amongst others helped create stars like Matt and Jeff, Edge and Christian, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton and many others.</span>



I brought this up a couple years ago, WWE were playing with fire raiding the indies so aggressively. The conveyor belt isn't neverending and there was always gonna be a point where it dried up, guys will be staying on nXt for longer as it's been built as it's own brand and needs carrying by stars itself.

OVW did fall lucky with the 2002 graduates too though. Can't remember any other time where you had guys like Cena/Lesnar/Batista/Orton come through in the same batch.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Wyatt is this generations version.

Only time will tell but it does seem to be holding true so far, even if Wyatt ends up washing out, and I really don't think he will.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Wyatt is this generations version.

Only time will tell but it does seem to be holding true so far, even if Wyatt ends up washing out, and I really don't think he will.


I wish i shared the same optimism about Wyatt that you do - mine all vanished after his feud with Hardy and now im not sure how he will ever get back to that level he was at a year or so after the debut of the Wyatt family
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