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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/November/2018 at 11:55
What was highlighted in the main event was four old veterans like that should not be working a 30 minute match. I didn’t hate it but the pace was sluggish and several spots looked messy plus Triple H suffered a serious injury.

You expect to see this kind of stuff on the indie circuit where promotors are just milking the name value of some old talent, WWE have plenty of top young guys who can work a decent long match.

Shawn showed glimpses of his old self but in his mid-fifties he won’t be able to produce the kind of performance he could in his prime. I do hope he works at least one more match though as would be sad for such a glittering career to end with this mediocre effort. Would like to see him bow out maybe against someone like AJ where he can put the younger guy over.
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All them 90s trailers taking the piss out of WCW with the Huckster and Nacho Man whilst talking about how they are the New Generation.


It is strange how the company that documented the main reason for WCW going out of business was an old upper card roster full of veterans and no development of the midcard to take the places of said oldies seems to be the same shit that is happening now in Vinnie Mac's company. And having Simba come out and beat Ziggler made exactly no fucking sense 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/November/2018 at 15:19
I don't really have a problem with old guys fighting. Piper vs Hogan in 97 was fantastic. We'd never seen Piper as the babyface and Hogan as the heel, and they brought so much extra baggage from previous feuds in the WWF with them that it was awesome to see how well Piper fit into the role of face.

The problem here with DX vs BoD is that it was 'just a match for overseas tours.' This wasn't an organically evolved feud, this wasn't an ongoing storyline where it made sense to go in the direction of Triple H vs Undertaker. It was a one off, and they're trying to make something out of it, and really it's just not working. It's too late in their careers. Piper & Hogan were younger than this as were Hogan & Savage. More than that though it was too abrupt a beginning to really generate any interest out of me.

Now let's say for the sake of argument that 1: Hall & Nash were in as good of ring shape as HBK & HHH currently are (They're not, but for the sake of argument go with me on this) and 2: HHH didn't get injured, and 3: Let's say that HBK & HHH had a miserable failure of a beatdown by the BoD, and DX started arguing with each other. If something like that happened, then I would be all for seeing Hall & Nash getting involved, trying to smooth things out for example, but instead of making things better, they got worse, to the point where Hall & Nash were fighting with each other too, and all of this led up to a Kliq Fatal Fourway. I would be all for that, even at their advanced age and limited mobility because not only is there good history over the course of their careers, but also because most recently, it evolved naturally from a different feud. If they took 3 or 4 PPV cycles to get to this point where the wickedly old main event of HBK vs HHH vs Hall vs Nash, and didn't rush it in the space of a month, then I think it could be awesome. That too is a match that's never happened. TBH I'm not sure that Hall vs HHH has ever happened at anything other than house shows (curtain call event featured HHH vs Hall but I don't think that feud ever had a PPV match)

Now again, we're assuming that Hall & Nash were as good to go in the ring as HBK & HHH are and that HHH isn't injured. Even so it's not going to be some masterpiece like Scott Hall vs HBK in a ladder match. But that doesn't mean it couldn't tell a cool story and with enough bells and whistles be a worthy main event, and you've done it with 4 guys over 50 years old.

In theory you can do it. WCW proved that guys over 40 can sell out in large venues and provide a great event worth talking about and marveling over 20 years later. You just can't rely on it week in week out, and you HAVE to tell a good story first and foremost otherwise it's a waste of everyone's time, and that's what DX vs BoD has been.

And let us also be clear that age in a cage is not even close to what sunk WCW. It's was bad monetary practices coupled with the pulled funding of Ted Turner, and that alone. Everything else WCW could have survived, but when the money dries up and you're spending like there's no tomorrow, things are going to go bad fast.
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Kevin Nash's quad just exploded reading that, Rico
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Look at the adjective there, 'if'. 
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I have no objection to veteran talents being used in a top position if the circumstances and the booking of the match is right, for example Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon put on the match of the night at Wrestlemania 19 and Goldberg was able to carry his end in a very exciting match with Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania a year and a half ago. Another good one is Triple H vs Kevin Nash in a ladder match a few years back, I enjoyed that too. Difference being these matches were booked in a way that would shield the limitations of said talents and enhance their strengths.
The Crown Jewel tag match went far too long and just highlighted that these guys particularly The Undertaker and Kane have definitely lost a step, HBK and Triple H I think could still put on a great match with the right opponents.

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Yeah, that's another one! Goldberg vs Lesnar at Survivor Series is one of my all-time favorite matches easily! That match was 1 minute and 26 seconds of unbridled badassery in it's purest form.

Here, watch the whole thing from bell to bell again! 


I honestly haven't popped this big in the previous 15 years of being a wrestling fan. You'd have to go back Bill Goldberg vs Hulk Hogan to see me pop that crazy for the finish of a match, and before that probably not since WrestleMania 8 when Savage won the title a second time.

Tell a good story, tell the RIGHT story, and it doesn't matter what the match quality is, old men can get the job done. It's only when you rely upon them week in week out that the problem arises.
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