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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steven Nyte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/February/2009 at 22:13
MH: I liked the idea.. I also liked the Taker vs. Taker storyline from 94... and with potential, I mean it had the potential to turn Kane into ... well.. Kane again. He had the crowd support after that storyline and the momentum too.. but WWE unsurprisingly blew it
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I never saw the Kane vs Kane imposter match as i didnt order the ppv, but i remember Kane destroying the guy on Raw as WWE binned the storyline and wrote out the Fake Kane character.

The Taker vs Taker feud was better as it happened during the cartoon era and far fetched storylines like that were more accepted back then, it all happened to build up Taker's big return at Summerslam and im sure Taker put a word in for his buddy Brian Lee to play the Fake Taker.
The match itself was pretty awfull from what i remember, the best part was the finishing sequence which saw Taker give Brian Lee a brutal tombstone piledriver where he actually jumped off the canvas.
Much like Fake Kane the Fake Taker was written out of WWE after this, the match was his last appearance.
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apart from the fact that Fake Kane now appears as ringbell influenced catatonic corn fed colossus Festus...
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....yeah, hard to believe the two men are one and the same, but they are. 
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Well firstly, I must thank fletch for creating this thread. Big smile
 
Yes, Kane. My big red machine. What has happened to him?
 
I remember back in 1997 when Paul Bearer came out and told the story of Kane and Taker at the funeral home. I laughed when he said that the "red haired devil" and his brother would always sneak out back to smoke. Great stuff. For months afterwards, we were anticipating Kane's debut, just wondering who this monstrocity was.
 
October 5, 1997. I'll never forget that night. After such a tremendous match between Taker and HBK in the Hell in the Cell, the lights dimmed red and that eerie music began to play. I was 13 at the time and when Kane came out in the mask and full suit, he scared me like you wouldn't believe. Seeing that man walk up to the cell, rip the door off and proceed to lay the Deadman out made my jaw drop.
 
For months on end Kane became so dominate, until his match at WM14 where Taker finally beat him. Of course the BRM came back for more, going through an Inferno Match and winning the WWF Championship at King of the Ring. By the way, that historic night occured in my very hometown of Pittsburgh, PA. In the words of Mizzy and Mo, Be Jealous, lol.
 
That's when it seemed to start a gradual downfall, IMO. He won the title for 1 day! Just 1 day! This monster who had rampaged through the entire roster was defeated after a 1 day reign! It seemed to me that they only gave it to Kane to appease him.
 
From there, Kane has had his ups and downs. Teaming with Xpac was great, but the voicebox thing was just ridiculous.  He had his first love with Tori, but that ended the same way and all the rest would do for his career. The woman would use him, and then lose him.
 
Then there's the imfamous Necrophilia angle. How sad is it that Kane is the one it's most connected with when HHH was the one actually involved in the actual plot. In interviews, you can clearly hear Glen's discomfort when talking about the angle. He often says, "No comment" or "I wasn't the one directly involved with it." Yet how badass was it when he ripped into HHH at a SS's promo about it.
 
Speaking of which, let's talk about his unmasking. This was clearly the greatest moment for Kane since his debut. He was a true sadistic monster and was on a roll. That interview with JR and then setting him on fire was truly a spectacular moment in WWE. I actually thought the man was going to get a chance at the title. Hell, everyone thought he was too. Then Shane McMahon aka Hardy Boy Wannabe aka Egomaniac Douchebag had to put a damper on that. It's quite a shame that Kane had to job to that little spotmonkey. What's worse is that Kane ended up having his momentum killed completely after his match with the Deadman at WM20. If Kane had won that match, I guarentee Kane would've been up to par where Mark Calaway is.  
 
The Imposter Angle. Yes, it clearly had potential and everyone was well behind Kane at that time. What I don't understand is, why did Kane have to job out to the Fake Kane if they were just going to drop the angle? How sad for Glen. Truly, it seems the man is the guinea pig when it comes to new storylines, and he usually gets the horrible ones in the end.
 
Nowadays, Kane has been pretty much jobbed out to everyone. When he seems to gain momentum, such as the Dead or Alive angle, he ends up having it swept out from under him to cater to a more popular star. Having to job to Mysterio disgusted me. It was pretty damn obvious that Kane was purposely throwing himself around the ring just to make Mysterio look good. With Mike Knox now, it's going to be pretty much the same thing as Big Show. They'll tag, maybe become Tag Champs, until Kane decides he'll go psycho again and it ends.
 
Now, I have nothing against Kane putting over younger talent. But it's to the point where Glen's kindness is being abused. Though I'm sure the man would never complain. He said it himself that he enjoys helping the younger stars out. Yet isn't it strange that you never hear about the younger talent never saying how they appreciate his help? Except for Orton though, who has said some nice things about Kane being an asset to WWE. 
 
How sad is it now that WWE has gone PG? Kane could never return to the sadistic creature that he was back in 2003. Not now, he'll scare all the kids away. It's such a shame now because Kane is being feed cheesy promos and is forced to look "utterly shocked" when someone smaller defeats him.
 
Kane's wrestling has always been a blast to watch. He's very agile for a man his size, especially during his younger years. Of course age has caught up with him and his knees aren't in the best condition. You can make out a leg brace under his attire if you look closely enough. He can still put on a pretty good match, of course when he has a compatible opponent. I was actually very surprised by Kane's performance against Chris Benoit back in 2003. The two have such different styles, but managed to really put on a great wrestling match.
 
Glen's acting has always been the key to his performance. When he wore the mask, he could always exhibit his emotions through his body language. He would tilt his head to the side in the creepy manner and get across that there was devious intent in his mind. As the mask began to get smaller, we saw more of a hilarious side to him. Promos such as "Freaks are cool!" and his Hogan impersonation are by far some of the best moments in WWE history.  
 
The best thing about his acting is that he can take such a horrible angle and turn it into something worth watching. Heck, he all had us wondering about why he attacked Michael Cole (which would've been awesome if he had beaten his ass, teehee) and uttering "Is he dead or alive?"
 
Glen has managed to chalk up the following wins through the years: 1 WWE Championship, 2 IC, 9 Tag, 1 Hardcore and 1 ECW Title.
 
I'd say Kane has really done well for himself, but will he be remembered in years to come? Kane is no Rock, Austin or Undertaker, but he has contributed a lot to the WWE and held an interest during the Attitude Era.
 
He's had some very memorable matches against great opponents like Taker, Rock, Jericho, Mankind and Austin. Most of those matches that I have enjoyed Kane in were his Last Man Standing Match against Jericho and his Hardcore Title win at WM17. From that, there seems to be an impression that Kane could never put on a decent match without some kind of stipulation being involved. That saddens me deeply because I feel some of his best matches against the likes of Taker, HBK, Austin and the Rock are sometimes overlooked. 
 
So, what is WWE doing to Kane? Obviously, they're using him horribly. Vince is clearly more concerned about the money that stacks up in his bank account. He would rather push fools like Batista because he makes more money in T-shirt sales.
 
Glen Jacobs has never once complained about his standing in the company. He has turned down championships, only because he felt his opponent was more deserving. He never once failed a drug test or caused trouble.  So what does he get in return? New music and a short stint as ECW Champion. How sad, especially for someone so loyal.
 
In closing, I'm deeply dishearted by what WWE has done to Kane. The man clearly deserves something for all the blood, sweat and tears he put into the company. Will that ever happen? Sadly, I don't believe so. Though I'm sure Glen will always be humbled that he got to work for them and not complain about it in the least.
 
I know his retirement is approaching. The man turns 42 this year and it's only a matter of time before his back and knees give out on him. I'm going to be deeply saddened when he goes, because he's always managed to capture my interest through it all.
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Originally posted by Wesker's Shadow Wesker's Shadow wrote:

Well firstly, I must thank fletch for creating this thread. Big smile
 


No problem Sam, as i said ive been a big fan of Kanes work over the years as well and i was interested in peoples opinions on his career.

Most people have been eagerly awaiting your post on this topic by the way and you didnt disappoint!

You mentioned alot of great moments from Kane's career that i had forgotten, Kane has had some hilarious moments such as the Hogan impression.

The unmasking for me was the greatest moment of his career apart from his initial entrance in the hell in the cell match where he destroyed Taker. But the unmasking got Kane close to the same demonic character he first portrayed when entering WWE, at least it did for a while.
I wont go in to detail as you summed it up perfectly but yeah basically Shane Mcmahon detstroyed the ressurection of Kane the monster by insisting he be booked as a hard case who could match up to Kane physically and of course it was just down hill from there.

Ive said this before on this thread but i think as Kane is now approaching retirement he should get one last good run, let him take a hiatus and he can come back either as the masked demon or the unmasked psychotic monster, ie the crazed Kane who came to the ring in shackles with a towel hiding his head, i dont care about the PG ratings it not like he used bad language or sexual innuendos, they may just have to limit the number of people he sets on fire!

It could be done as they have done a similar thing with Taker by kind of merging his dead man and american bad ass characters in to one to make a modern day Taker, they could do a similar thing with Kane i think.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote MariaS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/February/2009 at 04:56
excellent write-up.  That's along the lines of Pacman's work on here when he does write-ups.

There is one thing about him winning the ECW title at Mania.  It's commemorated on the t-shirt I have on along with Orton and Taker winning their titles last year. Love the shirt--it is super comfortable. 

With you being his biggest fan, who would you like to see him feud with now or even in the past that he's never feuded with before? 



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Sam, this post was awesome. I honestly don´t know which word describes it better. This should actually go along the same lines as Packin heat. Pure awesomeness. I am jealous
 
 
As for marias question, I would´ve loved to see a Kane vs. Bret Hart feud back in the day or today, Kane vs. Umaga (both big yet agile men), Kane vs. Morisson (maybe even kane vs Miz AND Morisson, handicap feud kinda) or Kane vs. Jericho. That would actually be my favourite choice now as both guys are amazing wrestlers and Kane also prooved time and time again that he can hold his own on the mic.
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Id like to see Kane vs Vladimir Kozlov in a inferno match - purely so i can watch Kane douse the russian waste of space in petrol and then light him on fire!

Kane always had good matches with HHH(and i think the Game even put him over for the IC Title if memory serves me right)so i wouldnt mind seeing them wrestle again, other than that Umaga, Edge and maybe either of the Hardys. Oh and of course a proper feud with Randy Orton.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JJsGirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/February/2009 at 14:01
Great post by Sam - our No 1 Kane fan!
 
Fletch - great minds think alike! I'd LOVE  to see another Inferno match - IMHO, it's been too long since they had one! Plus I've never taken to Kozlov and sincerely doubt I'm ever going to.
 
Sadly, I missed Kane's debut but have seen it since and WOW! What a night - I was shocked when he turned up.
 
I did like him better with the mask but c'est la vie!
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