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I think Impact Wrestling need to be thrown into this weekly war mix, I've watched a bit more of their product recently and I've really enjoyed it, they don't have the production of WWE or AEW but they have a good roster a great mix of veterans, younger talent and larger and smaller wrestlers, I've said this before but I actually prefer their roster to AEW's at present and their Womens division is a lot better than AEW.

I laughed when someone on Twitter this past week asked Rob Van Dam why he isn't in AEW and he basically said Impact is a better place to be and dismissed AEW as a bunch of misfits who don't even look like wrestlers.

As things stand you have WWE who are the global juggernaut they've always been and should be the company any young wrestler is aspiring to work for but you also have a lot of WWE haters out there. Then you have AEW who to me are like WCW prior to the launch of Nitro right now but they could build to the point of where they are more at the level of Nitro WCW. Then you have Impact who are definitely the ECW style promotion in this mix.
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Q3 earnings report is out, and WWE took a very big hit thanks in no small part due to AEW.

AEW was also the ratings leader last week, and I wouldn't expect that to change this week either.

Impact probably SHOULD be included in the discussion, but I haven't liked Impact since the mid-late 2000s. It's still not easily accessible either. Literally the only reason I watch AEW is because it's easy to do so; just as easy as WWE is to watch. I get all my wrestling from free apps and/or subscriptions I'm already using for other programming (like Hulu). To my knowledge, Impact still hasn't gotten big enough to be a part of such ease of access.

I stood up for WWE back in the early 2010s when they were actually getting better, and developing new and interesting talent, and were actually good. Say what you want about Daniel Bryan and CM Punk, but they were extremely good for the company, as were The Shield and the Wyatt Family, throw in early NXT and the rise of the 4 Horsewomen in NXT as well as guys like Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens and Finn Balor and WWE on the whole was pretty damned good.

Now? That's just not the case. NXT is looking long in the tooth, WWE's main roster is trying to get stuff done, but it's suffering terribly from the last 2 years of intolerable bullshit booking.

AEW might not be especially great yet, but it's just getting started and it's future looks very bright.

People keep saying this is a great time to be a wrestling fan, but I disagree. This is a hopeful time to be a wrestling fan. There is a lot of hope that things can get good, but things still are not good in pro-wrestling if people are expecting a second-coming of the Monday Night Wars era where WWE and WCW were pulling in 8s.

All the companies need to stop rehashing old shit and do something new and good. That's what got people interested 5-6 years ago when CM Punk & Daniel Bryan were making headlines left and right. WWE had this great swell of momentum and they just let it fade. Perhaps if AEW had been around in 2014, CM Punk could have jumped ship and things would have gotten better or at least kept going, but for whatever reason everything died out, and wrestling as a whole still pretty much sucks.

Yes, there's hope, a lot of reasons to hope it will get better now, unlike 2 years ago, but no, it's not good yet. Wrestling is still pretty bad.
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So after watching the latest episode of Dynamite, I gotta say NXT gets the nod this week.

Now that the Saudi crap is over for now, the build for War Games and Survivor Series is looking decent enough. Hopefully WWE doesn't screw shit up too badly.

IMO the only real positive out of Dynamite this week was finishing the tag tournament so I don't have to see so many tag matches every week, and also Jon Moxley is still developing very nicely. I'm still very much able to see him turning to this generation's answer to Stone Cold.

Meanwhile NXT had IMO their best episode of NXT in probably the last couple of years.

By my count that's
NXT: 1
AEW: 4
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Q3 earnings report is out, and WWE took a very big hit thanks in no small part due to AEW.

AEW was also the ratings leader last week, and I wouldn't expect that to change this week either.

Impact probably SHOULD be included in the discussion, but I haven't liked Impact since the mid-late 2000s. It's still not easily accessible either. Literally the only reason I watch AEW is because it's easy to do so; just as easy as WWE is to watch. I get all my wrestling from free apps and/or subscriptions I'm already using for other programming (like Hulu). To my knowledge, Impact still hasn't gotten big enough to be a part of such ease of access.

I stood up for WWE back in the early 2010s when they were actually getting better, and developing new and interesting talent, and were actually good. Say what you want about Daniel Bryan and CM Punk, but they were extremely good for the company, as were The Shield and the Wyatt Family, throw in early NXT and the rise of the 4 Horsewomen in NXT as well as guys like Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens and Finn Balor and WWE on the whole was pretty damned good.

Now? That's just not the case. NXT is looking long in the tooth, WWE's main roster is trying to get stuff done, but it's suffering terribly from the last 2 years of intolerable bullshit booking.

AEW might not be especially great yet, but it's just getting started and it's future looks very bright.

People keep saying this is a great time to be a wrestling fan, but I disagree. This is a hopeful time to be a wrestling fan. There is a lot of hope that things can get good, but things still are not good in pro-wrestling if people are expecting a second-coming of the Monday Night Wars era where WWE and WCW were pulling in 8s.

All the companies need to stop rehashing old shit and do something new and good. That's what got people interested 5-6 years ago when CM Punk & Daniel Bryan were making headlines left and right. WWE had this great swell of momentum and they just let it fade. Perhaps if AEW had been around in 2014, CM Punk could have jumped ship and things would have gotten better or at least kept going, but for whatever reason everything died out, and wrestling as a whole still pretty much sucks.

Yes, there's hope, a lot of reasons to hope it will get better now, unlike 2 years ago, but no, it's not good yet. Wrestling is still pretty bad.
 

See I would say Impact has reverted back to what they were prior to the Carters trying to turn them into WCW, they are now more like ECW were as in a smaller promotion doing edgier more risque stuff with a great crop of talent. There will always be a revolving door with talent coming and going as Impact cant complete with WWE, AEW and New Japan when it comes to dollar figures on contracts but right now they are doing a lot of stuff worth watching.
I get what you mean about accessibility though, if it wasnt for the fact AEW airs on ITV a free channel here in the UK I wouldnt be watching them.
Impact is available on the Impact Plus app though which far as I'm aware has Impact episodes available for free.


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So Smackdown was the clear winner this week, best episode in years. NXT was solid as ever and I enjoyed most of Raw too. AEW produced what was their worst episode to date, ok it's only episode 5 and it wasn't terrible there was just very little that left a lasting impression on me. 

I should mention I also watched some of Impact which was a decent show too. 

My weekly rankings would be: 

1) Smackdown 
2) NXT 
3) Impact 
4) Raw 
5) AEW
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To be honest, i agree but i have to give the win to NXT.

The reason Smackdown was so good was because it was effectively an episode of NXT running wild which is what made it what it was.

NXT are the top dogs in wrestling with AEW a way behind.

Raw and Smackdown have got long long ways to go and if it wasnt for some unforeseen travel difficulties, we wouldnt have got the treat that this weeks Smackdown episode was.

Therefore NXT is the clear winner for me
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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

To be honest, i agree but i have to give the win to NXT.

The reason Smackdown was so good was because it was effectively an episode of NXT running wild which is what made it what it was.

NXT are the top dogs in wrestling with AEW a way behind.

Raw and Smackdown have got long long ways to go and if it wasnt for some unforeseen travel difficulties, we wouldnt have got the treat that this weeks Smackdown episode was.

Therefore NXT is the clear winner for me
 

True but NXT did get a helping hand from a small selection of the Smackdown roster, they were very fortunate Daniel Bryan opted out of the Saudi trip as it gave us that killer main event.

Reports have said this show was produced by Vince and Triple H, that's a encouraging sign if Vince can book a show like that with a bit of input from a younger more in touch with current wrestling mind.

The thing is even if NXT were to feature like this regularly the novelty and fresh and exciting buzz would dwindle, this show was great because it was different, it wasnt the same old formulaic WWE product. I actually think its vital that NXT remain separated from the main roster as much as possible otherwise they will just become absorbed into Vinces vision of WWE.
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So I've switched back to my YouTube highlights format of watching Raw and Smackdown, unless it's a particularly good episode like the NXT themed SD recently this is the way I will watch moving forward as there is simply too much wrestling in a week especially when there is a PPV event as well.

I'm watching NXT in full still and Dynamite and I'm watching Impact most weeks now too, these shows dont have the formulaic scripted feel of WWE and are more the kind of wrestling product I enjoy, I just wish AEW would get some talent on their roster I really care about, if they sign Ryback which is heavily rumoured to have happened that will be a big boost for me because as things stand only really Moxley, Omega, Jericho, Cody and Pac have my interest.
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Well it'll be interesting to see what CM Punk really does now that he's back on WWE programming. If he's just a FOX analyst that's one thing. He's known as the voice of the voiceless for a reason, and WWE would do well to listen to what he has to say. If bridges get repaired between Punk and Vince/HHH and Punk returns to wrestling then WWE is going to get a distinct advantage in their programming.

What's more is that Punk being even this closely tied to WWE means that WWE are trying to improve.

Personally I'd rather see Punk with AEW, but regardless Punk being back on TV is huge news and that he's tied to WWE means a big momentum boost for WWE.
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So this week my rankings go -

1) Dynamite
2) NXT
3) Smackdown
4) Raw

Smackdown just edges Raw in my rankings simply because Raw didn't do anything that left a lasting impression on me, I can barely remember a thing that happened, Smackdown did have the Bryan/Wyatt segments which I enjoyed but little else caught my attention.

NXT was solid as ever but Dynamite was excellent this week and the clear winner.
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