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    Posted: 28/June/2018 at 17:34
The classic story is: "I haven't watched in years, but so-and-so came back and I wanted to see that, and then I just stuck around."

It worked with me when Bret Hart came back in 2010, it worked with me in 2003 when Goldberg signed with WWE, and in a different sort of way, it even worked with me when I discovered WCW Monday Nitro and found that practically everyone I ever loved in wrestling during the WWF's heyday in 89-92 was now on Nitro.

Nostalgia draws.

Crossover stars draw too.

Mike Tyson? Mr. T? Mayweather? Lesnar was a 2 for 1 being both nostalgia and crossover, and now Rousey? They all drew, at least initially.

My question with Rousey is how long does she continue to draw? Do people shut down on her sooner or later? Or does she grow? Or does she level out at an acceptable number? I know that her not being on TV means I'm not watching, especially now that Asuka's on a losing streak. I don't want to watch that shit. I want to see her dominate. If she's not going to do that, I don't want to watch her.
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I can agree with that Tom
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Here's the thing that a lot of people are refusing to accept: Being part time makes you a bigger draw.

The biggest proven draw in company history is The Rock. Not when he was an active wrestler, but when he came back for a very small handful of matches against Cena and CM Punk. Taker, Cena and Brock draw much stronger than Roman, Seth, Styles or Ambrose (in that order) though Roman is approaching that level.

Ambrose is always a tricky one because he's over but he doesn't draw. The guy's always been resistant to pushes. He makes hard work of being a star.

It's hard to get the numbers per say about how powerful a draw she is, but when you look at column inches, mainstream TV exposure and YouTube views, the power of Ronda Rousey is absolutely undeniable. 
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Yeah , I agree women wrestling grows a little faster cause most guys that watch wrestling wanna see hot women in skimpy outfits wrestling. So yeah that’s true , doesn’t make them better. Not trying to be harsh at all just seeing it for what it is. As far as Rhonda being the biggest draw in the company , you mention Taker , Cena and Brock ALL ARE PART TIMERS. People like AJ , Roman , Seth , Dean or The Shield collectively I don’t think she above them as a draw at all. She’s wrestled 2 matches and one of them was a tag team. Let’s not put her in the hall of fame just yet. Sure , I have no doubt she will main event Wrestlemania, probably vs Charlotte but it would depend on the bill if it deserves to be in the main event. We’ve all seen matches that were that shouldn’t have been. They are pushing for it so it will happen whether it should or not.

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I think you're being overly harsh on the women's division. Their starpower is increasing considerably and thanks in part to shows like Total Divas and the general way which social media works, female drawing power grows considerably faster than male drawing power.

Smackdown is admittedly far ahead of Raw when it comes to using all of the available women on the roster, which Smackdown does very well. You have to remember that the aim in WWE isn't to create stars that win every match. The aim is to make people watch and they do that by having a wide spread of characters all pushed to a level that casuals know who they are when they flick over or actively flick over to see someone. The women's division has been the biggest draw for new fans to WWE for the last two years. This can be seen in ticket sales to previously lacking markets, YouTube views on women's division segments, merch sales and more.

And now Ronda Rousey might be the biggest draw in the company. I'm not talking after Brock, I'm not talking after Taker, I'm not talking after Cena. The biggest draw in the company. By name value alone she is going to main event Wrestlemania. Her opponent will be decided, as much as anything, by whoever WWE want to give the most airtime to as the best representation of female wrestling in WWE.

And that's why it's going to be Charlotte Flair.
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I agree totally about Brock, I've said for a while now get rid of the bum. Guess we will just have to see with the women's division. I mean it's not going anywhere but hopefully someone will come up with better story lines and utilize some of the ladies that aren't getting used in a better way and see if they can carry the torch a bit.
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Yeah, you're a minority, too, keep that in mind. ;) Like me when I say Brock Lesnar is a waste of money, and one of the worst wrestlers to ever enter the WWE. I know my opinion is in the minority, and when people argue the point with me. I recognize that my opinion isn't a popular one.

We all have unpopular opinions. Fine by me. I'm just saying the women's division is still improving in some ways and taking a few steps back too, overall it's a good division. In fact it's been the highlight of WWE for me for the last few years.
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Rico , I see your point and respect your view. I’m just not a fan of most of the women’s division and to put it up there saying it could main event wrestlemania is a far stretch. I don’t say things because they are politically correct or nice things to make people smile. I look at the good and the bad and wish it would improve. For me , the most interesting thing I’ve seen happen in the women’s division was Bayley on RAW and I have never liked Bayley or her character. So hopefully she progresses well and changes the scene a bit.
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They're getting the depth to finally compare to the mens division. In the mens division, you don't say that so and so isn't challenging for the WWE title so they're not used well... well, ok actually people usually do but it's not a valid argument, and it's not with the women either.

Asuka is a rare talent that will bump like a hardcore division wrestler, wrestle like an elite mat technician and has an unspoken charisma that precludes her need to talk all the time. And you can talk about her promo in English, but lets be fair, ESL promos aren't a good indicator of how good they are on the mic. Watch her Japanese promos and you see (even if you don't understand) she is very good. She pops the crowd on the mic, has intensity, and spoken charisma to draw some pretty hardcore fans willing to go to her matches dressed up like her. Do you know who else does that? Not Ric Flair, not HBK, not Jericho, not Triple H, but guys like Savage, Hogan, Warrior, Undertaker, & Cena.

Kana is a legend, and WWE would do well to treat her like she's Ronda Rousey because only Rousey is a bigger name in the women's division.

The women's division is in a lull as far as interesting storytelling is concerned, which is a real shame, because for a while this same group of women were the most interesting thing going in the WWE. Then again WWE itself is in a real slump and utterly boring, so it's no surprise the womens division isn't what it once was a couple years ago either.
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All good points , but the market is just to flooded with the women’s division at the moment. There isn’t enough room for them all and it’s showing. Negative or not that’s just the way things are. Who’s in the title hunt on Smackdown ? Title on Raw it’s Alexia , Nia or Rhonda that’s about it. To many fishes in the sea and the get lost or eaten by the big ones. I can make a argument for any talent in the locker room for being good. There is a difference in being good and being used correctly. Just sit back and look at the talent pool and see who’s getting the chances and who isn’t.
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