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    Posted: 17/November/2017 at 22:14
I watched it...Hoping Paige shows at SS and hits who ever's shows champion she wants to feud with the Rampaige. Raw was meh at best. Hope next week is better tbh
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Just finished watching the HULU condensed version of Raw. It started out fairly well, I mean, after I skipped past the first 5 minutes or so of recaps. I ended up watching a lot more than I expected to, but after the shield match got underway I started losing interest. WWE matches are all the same these days. I watched the Lesnar segment, that was ok. I watched HHH kick out a young guy in favor of planting himself in a storyline he has nothing to do with. I just browsed through the rest. Kane vs Strowman doesn't interest me. That spot is old. Just... whatever. Sorry not to see Paige, but then again, perhaps this isn't the best time to see her come back anyway. Bayley should be in that survivor series match. Meh, whatever. I'm going to be at a wedding then anyway.
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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Go home Raw was a bit disappointing.

I enjoyed it. Some good matches, fueds elevated, and entertaining segments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFGhT5GpAs

A couple getting engaged during a segment, even Brock couldn't help but break character LOL

Heyman did pretty well with his comeback line to the crowd chanting about it.
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Go home Raw was a bit disappointing.

I was genuinely hoping for Paige to show up, seems they are holding back on her for now.

the way that HHH was bought into the Team Raw line up is what they should have done with Cena. hell, for me, Cena should have been announced on SDL, and been there in person. Cole on commentary provided a brilliant way to have done this. he pointed out that Cena is a 16 time champ, HHH a 14 time champ, and Orton a 13 time champ, so, the fifth spot on Team SDL could have been left vacant, Jordan would still have been cut, as he needed to be, and Steph could have said about Orton's title reigns and needing someone that could match and better that.

that then could have lead to intrigue for the rest of the night about whether Cena would be named, providing a massive pop, much biger than what HHH actually got, when he does come out as the fifth Raw guy.

it means then that SDL can have Shane come out, give Raw props for HHH, and at least explain why Cena would be on SDL when he was last seen on Raw. push the free agent aspect. Shane could have said that with HHH being a 14 time champ, he had to go for a free agent to get the drop, and then have Cena's music hit, have him be there.

this has been the problem with the entire build for Survivor Series, and other events in the social media era. WWE would rather make these big announcements on Twitter and Facebook, and not have the fans scrambling to let people know that something big has happened on the televised product.

same as last week. WWE.com reported on a big title change on Raw after the event had ended in Manchester, but before the show actually aired. well, there was only one title match, so people knew what that was most likely to be. after all, Lesnar wasn't going to have shown up in England to lose the Universal title, Miz isn't really in a feud with anyone currently, unless you count Kane, and the title doesn't need to go on him, and all your big female names are lined up for the female Survivor Series match, so it's not like Bliss is going to drop to Brooks and she seems to have finished her programme with James, so what sense would that make now.

if you're going to give away results, or big angles, through your website or on social media, you cannot be surprised if the numbers for the actual product are down.

Bray Wyatt returned, but with absolutely no build, and had to eat a pin to Jordan for a pointless angle of him looking strong and being taken out and injured after the match. Bray is a guy who should be at the fringe of the main event, forever on the periphery of the title picture, and he's have to enhance Jordan. he could have injured Jordan during the match, even going so far as to get disqualified, and been able to look a beast whilst still giving Jordan the W and getting the end result for the segment the same.

I don't know. I was debating whether or not to try and get a free trail for the Network, not so much for Survivor Series, I'm interested in NXT War Games, but i'm rapidly losing interest in the show when they can't do simple builds with impact, and would rather go after likes and retweets.
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Quote Here is WWE.com's Raw preview for tonight:

The Big Dog is back
Sidelined due to illness and forced to miss The Shield’s anticipated return match at WWE TLC, Roman Reigns returns to Raw this Monday night to stand alongside Seth Rollins & Dean Ambrose. Now that The Big Dog is stepping back into his yard, will the reunion of The Shield have Survivor Series implications?

The Beast Incarnate sounds off on The Phenomenal One
Following The Phenomenal One’s defeat of The Modern Day Maharaja on SmackDown LIVE in Manchester, U.K., Lesnar and his associate Paul Heyman now look to invite an entirely different potential resident to Suplex City at WWE’s fall classic. Most “don’t want none” from Styles, but The Phenomenal One has never faced anyone like The Conqueror. Styles had best be watching with the rest of us when Lesnar and Heyman make their red brand return.

Can Team Raw counter Mr. “Hustle, Loyalty & Respect”?
Team Red is full of heavy-hitters, including Bálor, Joe, Braun Strowman, Jason Jordan and Angle himself, but the addition of The Cenation Leader just might tip the scales in favor of the blue brand. How will Monday Night Raw respond to this challenge?

Triple Threat Match to determine final member of Raw Women's Survivor Series squad
This past Monday night, Alicia Fox added Asuka and Sasha Banks to her team, which also includes herself and the forceful Nia Jax. Who will fill that all-too-crucial final slot? We’ll find out on Raw when Bayley, Mickie James and Dana Brooke collide in a Triple Threat Match, with the winner becoming the fifth Superstar to represent Team Red in the Women’s 5-on-5 Traditional Survivor Series Elimination Match.

Will Kane once again bring the fight to The Monster Among Men?
Braun Strowman’s Running Powerslam has taken out countless Superstars over the past few months, but for Kane this past Monday night, The Monster Among Men’s ring-shaking finishing maneuver barely made an impact. Sitting up in true Big Red Machine fashion after being planted into the canvas, Kane was ultimately driven off after a massive clothesline sent him over the top rope (he landed on his feet, by the way), but something tells us the masked terror isn’t finished with Strowman just yet.

Love to see Rollins/Ambrose turn heel on Reigns blaming him not being there on them losing the tag team titles.
 
Heyman/Lesnar will bore with their usual predictable shit. If as a surprise Styles turns up that would boost interest.
 
Alicia Fox is captain and picking team mates, so why the triple threat? Why all of a sudden isn't she picking team mates like a captain should be? Expect a fatal four way surprise with Paige.
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The Golden age was great! 89-92 was IMO the best ever, way the fuck more fun to watch than the attitude era. It's a godam crime against wrestling fans everywhere that Prime Time Wrestling isn't available on the Network during that time period.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I do not think the roster is bad, AT ALL. I fucking love this roster, and would say it's up there with the very best WWE has ever had. But the booking is even worse than the mid-90's bullshit, and rivaling that of WCW's 2000-2001.

The stories going on are just abysmal, yet I'll admit that the peak of how bad it's ever been was Bayley vs Bliss with the This is Your Life segment and the whateveritwas on a pole match.

This is damn accurate.

The stories in WWE are so damn boring.  They are way worse than the cheesy golden era.  At least the golden era was so wacky that it was interesting.  The stories nowadays are just so dull with no creativity behind them.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

In fairness the product hasn’t been that bad, we’ve seen the reunion of The Shield, a couple of surprise title changes which included AJ dragging a very good match out of Mahal. I’ve enjoyed the cross-brand rivalry which is building to what looks a very good card at Survivor Series. Enzo Amore has actually made the Cruiserweight division interesting. Pete Dunn’s appearance was a nice touch despite the production melt down with his entrance. I’ve enjoyed the emergence of Braun Strowman and his monster vs monster feud with Kane has my attention. Kevin Owens is on fire as a top heel and Sami Zayn is actually relevant. The Usos have emerged as one of the top tag-teams in the company and New Day are doing their best work in some time.

So in amongst all that there is some stuff which is truly abysmal but there is also plenty of the product that is worth watching at the moment.

As people have already said if you’re that displeased with what WWE are putting out stop watching, stop buying tickets and stop subscribing to the Network and buying merchandise. Otherwise just stop complaining.
"In fairness the product hasn’t been that bad"

With all due respect, I very much disagree. I don't think it has ever in modern history been worse. The best I can possibly say is that it seems to be trying to get better. TLC was actually good, even though that was mostly by accident thanks to Reigns and Wyatt being taken out.

I do not think the roster is bad, AT ALL. I fucking love this roster, and would say it's up there with the very best WWE has ever had. But the booking is even worse than the mid-90's bullshit, and rivaling that of WCW's 2000-2001.

The stories going on are just abysmal, yet I'll admit that the peak of how bad it's ever been was Bayley vs Bliss with the This is Your Life segment and the whateveritwas on a pole match.

So just as you suggested, I have canceled my subscription, for the first time since the network went live, and as a reward for cancelling, WWE gave me another month free. As I canceled shortly after the start of a new month, I'm still subscribed through December 2nd or some such... and truth be told I will likely renew to see the Royal Rumble and WrestleMania, maybe... at least the Royal Rumble.

Ultimately I don't give them much money anyway. I don't buy their games, I don't go to shows, I don't buy their merchandise, I don't even watch their programming on TV anymore. I browse through segments on Hulu, and that's it.

If I ever heard that they had uploaded Prime Time Wrestling from mid89-1992 I would watch the hell out of that, but I don't even watch their ancillary programming anymore. I used to love shows like the Edge and Christion Show, Swerved, Holy Foley, and others, but I can't even be bothered to watch NXT any more than I do Raw and Smackdown.
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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

I wouldn't say stop complaining, not least because it would be completely hypocritical of me when I do it alllllllll the time. as fans, yes, we do have a right to complain, and to be honest, i'd say that since we have to buy our tickets for Raw and SDL like 4/5 months in advance of the show, as with other tour areas who get more than house show events, we probably have more right to complain as a live crowd than North American crowds.

but the point still stands; if you went to the Raw taping, and you have been dissatisfied with what the product has been putting out since you bought your tickets, there are plenty of other people who will pay way over face value if you decide to sell. I felt Raw had a strong start, it made no sense to me the crowd being so muted.

that the crowd for SDL were so good shows this isn't an apathy of the whole product.

but if it were, it still stands that the only way for the fans to get across to Vince that they are not happy with the company in this era of shareholders is to boycott the product. lower audiences mean less advertising revenue from Raw and SDL, lower attendance means lower gate sales, as well as lower merch sales, drop in subscriptions means an effect on PPV schedules. the thing is, much the same as Impact seems to have a core fanbase who will religiously watch and defend it. Raw seems to have a good 3/3.5m viewers who will watch Raw regardless, and the majority of those will also attend a Raw, SDL or PPV show in or near their area.

it's not always the fault of a company that the status quo is maintained.

All valid points - and I agree with you.  The only message companies understand is money.  I think some fans tend to think that if they continue to support the company, that the company will listen to them.  Can you blame them?  Our society works in the way lobbyists do.  Companies hire lobbyists to wine and dine politicians to act on their behalf.  So, fans think that if they "wine and dine" WWE and support them, that they have a voice.

WWE is a petty company, they don't listen to fans - they listen to financial metrics.  Sadly, that's what making a company publicly traded does.  Disney has somehow mastered this with mixing financials and fan reactions - but I think that's because they push millions into marketing to make sure that their steps are in line with fan requestions.  WWE doesn't do that.  WWE does very basic marketing - they look at entertainment market trends and tell WWE how to do what's popular to non-wrestling fans.

Anyway, I digress - Yes, I agree with you - but I don't blame some fans for not thinking the way you and I do.  I think, at a younger age, I thought like they did.  That if I support WWE, it gives me a voice.  In reality, WWE doesn't give a shit about fans opinions (my god, they still call fans "internet fans"...EVERY fan is an internet fan, you morons in WWE HQ), they just care if they'll open their wallets.

Hence why they don't care about making the product stale.  The product is just a vehicle for merchandise (see: Transformers, Pokemon, Disney, etc.)  So they cut costs that made them unique -- fireworks, gone, Titantrons, boring (cutting cost of post production by a significant margin), music sucks (lost Jim Johnston for a cheaper alternative), and production of segments is all the same, so they don't have to worry about purchasing equipment to support an off-site segment, which requires more post-production work.

It's a shame that the product is so boring...I really WANT to love it, but after Punk and Daniel Bryan's retirement, it's just so dull that I can't bare to sit through a single segment these days.  

Thank God for Lucha Underground and NJPW these days :)


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I wouldn't say stop complaining, not least because it would be completely hypocritical of me when I do it alllllllll the time. as fans, yes, we do have a right to complain, and to be honest, i'd say that since we have to buy our tickets for Raw and SDL like 4/5 months in advance of the show, as with other tour areas who get more than house show events, we probably have more right to complain as a live crowd than North American crowds.

but the point still stands; if you went to the Raw taping, and you have been dissatisfied with what the product has been putting out since you bought your tickets, there are plenty of other people who will pay way over face value if you decide to sell. I felt Raw had a strong start, it made no sense to me the crowd being so muted.

that the crowd for SDL were so good shows this isn't an apathy of the whole product.

but if it were, it still stands that the only way for the fans to get across to Vince that they are not happy with the company in this era of shareholders is to boycott the product. lower audiences mean less advertising revenue from Raw and SDL, lower attendance means lower gate sales, as well as lower merch sales, drop in subscriptions means an effect on PPV schedules. the thing is, much the same as Impact seems to have a core fanbase who will religiously watch and defend it. Raw seems to have a good 3/3.5m viewers who will watch Raw regardless, and the majority of those will also attend a Raw, SDL or PPV show in or near their area.

it's not always the fault of a company that the status quo is maintained.
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