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    Posted: 17/May/2018 at 08:42
TICKET: Good for 1 (one) front row seat to an all time wrestling supercard of wrestlers selected and of matches designed by your fellow TUPeeps. If these cards were all taking place at the same time on the same night; and you could only see one; which one would you rather choose? 










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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/May/2018 at 18:14
Cant bring myself to vote for the MMA card even though i get the whole shoot MMA/Wrestling thing ...WWW by default
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PPW because fuck you guys, shoot wrestling is better than fake, and the matches are good.

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I like some of the shoots fights PPW has but my Aussie Wrestling fandom wins out for me.

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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

because fuck you guys, shoot wrestling is better than fake, and the matches are good.

That's a completely irrelevant statement because when a wrestling fan watches wrestling, they either don't know its fake and completely believe it to be real, or they "suspend disbelief" and watch it as if it is real. Either way this renders the term "shoot" meaningless and thus your statement meaningless.  

Pro wrestling is astronomically better than MMA; and as #Heel said in the PPW thread, I would rather watch wrestling than MMA any day. 

That all being said, I would still redeem my ticket for PPW so I can see Andre The Giant. It's worth sitting through all the MMA crap to see it. Seeing Angle and Lesnar won't be bad either and I may actually stay for the rest of the show, if the popcorn and other concessions are good enough.  


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Duke already said it's NOT MMA. It's Pro-Wrestling rules, shoot. You DO know the rules of Professional Wrestling, right? That means what you're seeing people from the world of MMA compete in professional wrestling matches. Real ones. It's more like Brawl for All only with people that actually know WTF they're doing so they don't look dumb.

It's completely relevant if I say it's relevant. It's completely relevant if I don't, but you think it is. It's completely relevant if ANYONE makes it relevant.
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Before I respond, I just wanna say that regardless of whether myself, #Heel, or anyone else does or doesn't like Duke's card; this is just fair critique and analysis of a card based upon our preferences. Nothing we say is meant to be against Duke or to discourage him. I am glad Duke participates in Ticket Wars and I hope he participates in Ticket Wars again. And I'm sure myself, #Heel, and Rico all can agree on that.    

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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Duke already said it's NOT MMA. It's Pro-Wrestling rules, shoot. You DO know the rules of Professional Wrestling, right? That means what you're seeing people from the world of MMA compete in professional wrestling matches. Real ones. It's more like Brawl for All only with people that actually know WTF they're doing so they don't look dumb.

It's completely relevant if I say it's relevant. It's completely relevant if I don't, but you think it is. It's completely relevant if ANYONE makes it relevant.

Rico, what I was getting at was that I don't care for the MMA style. It was obvious going through Duke's draft picks and card throughout the season, even going so far as to announce the "red corner" and "blue corner" and talking about what "stances" his fighters would take, that his fighters would be fighting in the MMA style. 

What I like to watch is professional wrestling and the style associated with it. I want to see moves like a headlock, armbar (that's wrestling style armbar), body slam, suplex, drop kick, reverse knife edge, belly to belly, roll up for a pin attempt, a move off the top rope, etc. You know, professional wrestling moves. While I am not unaware of nor am I discounting MMA's influence on what is done in a wrestling ring, I would still prefer the pro wrestling style, which is completely different to watch than the mixed martial arts style. It doesn't matter what the rules are.   

The Brawl for All that you bring up was mostly in the style of boxing; which while I'm not a big observer of it is a sport that I can actually watch. I am the only person I have ever seen in my life who actually liked the Brawl for All. So no, Duke's card is nothing like Brawl for All; and if it was I would't dislike it so much, because I can watch boxing. 

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Duke already said it's NOT MMA. It's Pro-Wrestling rules, shoot. You DO know the rules of Professional Wrestling, right? 

I'll just leave that there

Look at the results - MMA finishes not wrestling and therefore everyones original points still stand

Plus what #Heel said, which makes the point moot anyway. 

And allow me to make an addendum to what I said earlier. The terms "shoot" or "real" is irrelevant to anyone who watches wrestling the right way. 

Rico, I know that you are an MMA fan and you will defend Mixed Martial Arts with every fiber of your being; as you have in the past when talking about people like Ronda Rousey. That is your thing and that is fine. But I believe with every fiber of my core, and I've been watching wrestling for a loooong time, that a wrestling match should be watched with the mindset that "these are two wrestlers competing to win the match." 

The moment the thought process moves to "these moves are scripted" or "this fight is a shoot" it taints that viewing experience. Anyone who views wrestling in that manner is not watching wrestling the right way. There is no concept of a "shoot" because there is no knowledge that anything is supposed to be scripted. Therefore yes the term is irrelevant if wrestling is watched the right way.     

Whenever you talk about the days of Lou Thesz and Buddy Rogers, you mention how the "business was protected" as if it's a good thing that it was... and it was a good thing. The dissolving of kayfabe is the single worst thing that ever happened to professional wrestling. I only analyse booking on this site because that's what 85% or so of the conversation is. When I watch wrestling, it's complete kayfabe. 

You can choose to watch it different; but you're watching it wrong if you do.   


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"Rico, I know that you are an MMA fan and you will defend Mixed Martial Arts with every fiber of your being;"

You know nothing Jon Snow.

I'm not a big fan of MMA. I barely watch it. I RESPECT it. The difference seems to be lost on you. I, like Fletch and a good deal of others here including, I believe, you, like a believable work in the ring that looks realistic and lacks spots where the recipient of an offensive maneuver is just standing there watching and waiting.

I know you've said you liked the old style of wrestling seen back in the 1950's. Well that's exactly what I picture when I see MMA fighters step into the ring to fight under pro-wrestling rules. It's updated for sure, but ultimately it's still far closer to that old style than the hokey crap we see in the ring so often today.

That said, yes, Duke's release of the times and rounds changes the nature of pro-wrestling matches. So be it.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

"Rico, I know that you are an MMA fan and you will defend Mixed Martial Arts with every fiber of your being;"

You know nothing Jon Snow.

I'm not a big fan of MMA. I barely watch it. I RESPECT it. The difference seems to be lost on you. I, like Fletch and a good deal of others here including, I believe, you, like a believable work in the ring that looks realistic and lacks spots where the recipient of an offensive maneuver is just standing there watching and waiting.

I know you've said you liked the old style of wrestling seen back in the 1950's. Well that's exactly what I picture when I see MMA fighters step into the ring to fight under pro-wrestling rules. It's updated for sure, but ultimately it's still far closer to that old style than the hokey crap we see in the ring so often today.

That said, yes, Duke's release of the times and rounds changes the nature of pro-wrestling matches. So be it.

I explained the differences between the pro wrestling and mixed martial arts styles already. When Brock Lesnar returned to WWE in 2012, he was still heavily using an MMA style, which I found a tad boring. Brock didn't get interesting to me until about a year later when he re-transitioned into a pro wrestling style. Rousey thus far still largely uses an MMA style as well. But I'll give you Ken Shamrock in 1997 wasn't bad.     

I get what you're saying about respecting MMA. I respect MMA like I respect any sport. The amount of training, conditioning, and self discipline must be intense. But I have little interest in watching MMA

I understand what you mean. You are right that even I notice things like you mentioned when I watch wrestling. I see recipients wait to take moves. I see people spring their feet to propel themselves over the ropes after being hit. I see the person on top of a pin, who is supposed to be trying to pin his opponent to win the match, deliberately lift up from the pin attempt himself when the match isn't supposed to end. Yes, even I, who preaches kayfabe to the bone and tries to watch wrestling within as much suspension of belief as possible, notice these things from wrestlers in the ring. Yes it hinders my enjoyment and yes I want matches to be believable. But when I watch a former MMA fighter in the ring, even one who has successfully implemented a pro wrestling style, I don't watch them any different or see them any different than one with a pure wrestling background and I don't see their moves as being any more legit.  
  
Yes it's a matter of personal preference (the point of Ticket Wars voting) but all this to say I have no reason to believe any of the MMA fighters in Duke's roster will adapt a pro wrestling style, even if it is in a wrestling ring under pro wrestling rules (which as #Heel pointed out they're not.)  

I actually wish the wrestling matches would still announce the time of the fall as they used to. 

And you're right; I had no clue who Jon Snow is. 

And as far as the official reason why I'm here, Shizzel's WWW defeats Duke's PPW, 3 tickets to 2. 

And I was one of the 2. 


Edited by Kondor - 26/May/2018 at 17:37

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