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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19/January/2015 at 23:46
the stupid thing is, with what has happened in places like Ferguson, that a new Nation of Domination could actually get over, and without having to resort to any sorts of black, or Black Panther, stereotypes for those involved.
 
problem is, this is the company who saw two fairly talent black guys, and put them together to create Cryme Tyme...
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Cryme Tyme was great and way more than either man could ever have done individually, what are you on about. JTG could have been all right in the Cruisers, but that shit didn't exist in his time.

A new Nation would be awful. Awful for business anyway, I actually think it would be fun to watch. But how do you portray them? Faces? You put a hell of a lot of conservative white people off. Heels? You put off a lot of minorities. Tweeners? Tweeners don't really exist in WWE's black-and-white reality, they would be way out of place. Plus the controversy would be enormous with a gimmick like that, they copped enough flak for Swagger's Tea Party gimmick and this would be a million times worse. Not all publicity is good publicity.

Personally I like the new day. I've got a soft spot for cheesy, ridiculous gimmicks, and I will love Big E whatever he does.
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i did say "fairly talented", not world class.
 
I will again point to the Hart Foundation, where they could easily be portrayed as faces to the minorities, while being seen as heels to those who still need "employees" to pick the cotton from the fields...
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I wanted to like this group but the gimmick is horrible, I think they will soon be getting the kind of heat X-Pac and Right to Censor used to get as in we're booing you because we really want you to go away.

Just abort this garbage turn them heel and go with the original plan of a Nation of Domination 2015.
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A HUGE waste of talent, in my opinion. These three guys were only being pushed for a short time, then they were buried, and now they have this "new gimmick" which is supposed to "redefine" them, and what does it do, instead? It buries them even further! I thought the New Generation Era ended in 1997, but no, it seems Vince McMahon wants to ressurect that corpse from beyond the grave and it sickens me. Maybe he'll resurrect Katie Vick next. *spits in disgust* Thumbs Down

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I'm glad you brought up the New Generation... I've been saying we've been moving that direction for a while now. And while I LOVED the beginning of the New Generation Era (IMO Summerslam 1991 - Survivor Series 1992) was the greatest period the WWE has EVER had, the New Generation Era was really what almost put Vince McMahon out of business (WCW didn't screw Vince McMahon, Vince McMahon screwed Vince McMahon). And now he says he's NOT out of touch, while he heads right back to that same era.
 
To be fair though: He's in a bit of a spot with the New Day. He wants a 'gimmick' for the three, and I agree that they should be grouped together, because they've got good chemistry together, but most people seem to think the only way to book these guys is either as Nation of Domination style heels, or happy smiling faces like New Day.
 
Monkee had a good idea about booking them as faces, but yet, I can see why Vince would rather steer clear of the Ferguson controversy too.
 
I'm not a fan of the New Day, but I like the comedy that Big E brings to it with his sense of humor, and I'd like to see those three continue together.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I'm glad you brought up the New Generation... I've been saying we've been moving that direction for a while now. And while I LOVED the beginning of the New Generation Era (IMO Summerslam 1991 - Survivor Series 1992) was the greatest period the WWE has EVER had, the New Generation Era was really what almost put Vince McMahon out of business (WCW didn't screw Vince McMahon, Vince McMahon screwed Vince McMahon). And now he says he's NOT out of touch, while he heads right back to that same era.
 
To be fair though: He's in a bit of a spot with the New Day. He wants a 'gimmick' for the three, and I agree that they should be grouped together, because they've got good chemistry together, but most people seem to think the only way to book these guys is either as Nation of Domination style heels, or happy smiling faces like New Day.
 
Monkee had a good idea about booking them as faces, but yet, I can see why Vince would rather steer clear of the Ferguson controversy too.
 
I'm not a fan of the New Day, but I like the comedy that Big E brings to it with his sense of humor, and I'd like to see those three continue together.


Actually from what I've read of WWE's history, the NGE started in 1994 which was the year I was born. I started watching WWE at the infamous Survivor Series 1997, which is when the Attitude Era began after the Montreal Screwjob. It was already beginning around that time, but that's when it went in to full-swing and before you know it, we'd be thrusted forward in to it at full-force come mid-1998.

The reason the New Day exist is 'cos Xavier Woods didn't want the group to be about racial suppremacy, but more so the fact they're friends. He also felt offended when they tried to dress him up like Colonel Sanders, which DID happen.

My BIG issue with WWE is that they have joke acts, but... that's all they are. I mean TNA has a joke act -Rockstar Spud- and he's being pushed like a mofo, at the moment with his big storyline against EC3 who's undeniably the future of TNA, but with WWE they just put them in a match, they get a win and it means nothing. It's like WCW's Cruiserweight Division but without the substance. These guys win matches, lose matches, and it doesn't matter 'cos the only place they're going is straight ahead or down, not up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23/January/2015 at 18:48
Yeah I'm always unclear as to when one era begins and when the next ends, etc. I've heard 1990-1996 was the new generation era. And to be fair, I've done essentially no reading on the subject, I just lived it, so going back to read this that and the other thing has never appealed to me when I can just go back and remember it myself.
 
I started watching at WM3 when I was 8 years old, so it's kind of surprising to me the details I don't know that everybody else does, yet others I know intimately that seem to have been completely forgotten about and NEVER talked about.
 
I remember seeing commercials for the New Generation, but TBH I don't know WHEN they started showing up. I was pretty sure they were showing on TV while Bret Hart was still Intercontinental Champion and Randy Savage was World Champion, but I could be wrong. I still swear up and down (wrongly I might add) that the career match between Perfect and Flair took place on the first episode of Raw and not the 3rd or whatever it really was, and I can't explain why I feel so sure it was despite seeing it in writing several times that it wasn't.
 
I really would have enjoyed the Nation of Domination route myself, but ohwell. If what you say is true, that the reason the New Day exists is cause Woods didn't want the group to be about racial supremacy, then it's his fault the group sucks. :P I understand the complaint and desire to be different, but this is pro-wrestling (or sports entertainment if you prefer) and you need something controversial, not happy and smiling and... boring.
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I respect Woods's decision, but at the same time I think it was foolish. We all know where smiling and being "boring" gets you, it gets you "under". Rocky Maivia, Jericho and Hulk Hogan come to mind. Rocky Maivia was the "typical" smiling babyface who everyone loved at first but soon grew to hate, and then he changed up his gimmick and became the "great one" who everyone remembers now as one of the BEST wrestlers/personalities in WWE history, as-well as one of -if not the- best talkers in WWE history. Jericho started out his tenure in WCW the same way as a smiling babyface, and it got him where? Nowhere. Eventually they turn him heel and BOOM, he's over! People chanting his name, signs everywhere etc We all know how that story ended, but even in WWE -even when he was a face- he was over because he OOZED charisma and didn't just shout, "Oh yeah baby! We're gonna do it today!". Hulk Hogan was loved for years and years, but one day his gimmick became stale and the crowd booed him out the building, so what did he do? Turned heel and became Hollywood Hogan, which is arguably one of THE BEST and WORST characters in history. BEST because it was a whole new POV for Hogan, but WORST because he remained on top forever and was one of the reasons why WCW died in the end, along with the rest of the power hungry NWO, who practically leeched the life out of WCW. I know people might disagree, but it's true as they had creative control and were even writing the shows at one point.

The point I'm trying to make is that all characters need an edge, because the audience can only consume a "typical" smiling babyface who shows no charisma for so long (very short these days) before they say, "This guy sucks!".
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Yeah, look at Roman Reigns. ;)
 
Xavier Woods hasn't done a whole lot to impress me aside from his mic work, while very good, is still uninteresting to my tastes.
 
Whereas Big E. smalls is far more entertaining at everything he does. It bugs me that HE isn't used better because he's funny as hell, and a monster badass too.
 
And a Kofi Kingston heel turn... damn that could have been good, and so badly needed.
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