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So good to see the real asshole back. Love watching Miz troll the audience. It was even better seeing Ziggler get a clean victory over him, and then have Miz force the call of "and still intercontinental champion"... loved the whole segment. Hope they take that to summerslam.
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Miz was very entertaining Monday night which speaks to my premise that his greatest contribution to the business will someday be as a manager ala Paul Heyman, in a perfect world.


I can see that, but his in ring career is far from over unless he gets a serious injury.

He could easily still be wrestling in 10-15 years time, even if he's slowed down in the ring.

If he then became a manager and helped elevate some talent, it would strengthen his HOF case.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/February/2015 at 18:06
You know? Why not tell him "We're gonna make you the next Bobby Heenan." and give him a stable? Heenan had a very short in-ring career, short enough that people forget he was a wrestler. The majority of his prime he was a manager that took great bumps and generated huge heat on the mic. Miz WOULD be perfect for that role. I've no big desire to see Miz wrestle, but I love watching him on the mic. IMO That would be a great idea for him.
 
Some of these guys who are good on the mic, like Alex Riley for example, are never going to be WWE champion, but if they can study previous managerial greats and emulate them they can get over big, while at the same time working a safer job, still contribute and still possibly end up in the WWE Hall of Fame and respected by fans everywhere. Why NOT be a manager if you can?
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the problem there lies with the fact that WWE seem to think that a manager is a massive step back.
 
however you feel about the Miz, it simply cannot be denied that he was vastly overshadowed by Sandow during their run together.
 
I don't feel that Miz draw heel heat, so I worry about this notion that he could be a manager.  hell, even last week, with the backstage skit, my eyes were on Sandow, not Miz. and while it could be argued that this was precisely what Miz is supposed to do, and therefore, Miz is doing the job right, I honestly don't believe that.  I believe Miz is trying, but at every turn, people are paying more attention to Sandow, and he is slowly dropping away.  in a match between the two, I would expect Sandow to get massive pops, but Miz to be treated with indifference.
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Very much so.

Problem with Miz is that he is a one trick pony, and while he does that one trick well, theres a definite "seen it all before" feeling with everything he does.

Same goes for Dolph Ziggler, ftr.
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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:


the problem there lies with the fact that WWE seem to think that a manager is a massive step back.
 
however you feel about the Miz, it simply cannot be denied that he was vastly overshadowed by Sandow during their run together.


To who? The fans or the boys backstage? To the fans, certainly. The marks look at wrestling completely differently than the guys who actually work in the business.

Now, I certainly can NOT claim to look at wrestling the same way as someone like an Austin or Jericho who has spent most of their lives loving the business and practicing the craft, but with countless hours of listening to guys talk shop you can get some idea of what to look for.

One such thing I have learned to spot fairly well is the art of getting heat from underneath. Not sure what Russ learned about getting heat in promos, but certain things, such as cutting off a face is fairly easy to pick out, and it plays on the concept of reverse psychology. Miz will set up Sandow to do something, anything, and then build it up so that the crowd wants very much to see Sandow deliver whatever it is he is being set up to do, and then Miz cuts him off at the last second. Sandow has nothing to do with any of this, I could be standing on the apronand look nearly as good. The difference is I cocouldn't mimic miz for shitl so credit to Sandow for that, but what is getting him over isn't just his stupid comedy, but the fact that people hate miz cutting sandow out of the mix. Miz is both putting Sandow over and gathering heat for himself.

To me, Miz is the unsung start of the duo, and without the miz putting him over by denying him everythi g the fans want (thus creating a demand to see him do anything) they will ultimately get tired of him once they get what they want, unless he can step it up and get over without Miz doing well over half the work as he is right now. Meanwhile people, like marks, hate Miz with or without Sandow, and they hate him because he is a natural tool you just want to see get his face pounded.

Aside from the mimicry, I do not see anything appealing about Sandow's current gimmick. What has me convinced that Sandow will succeed despite he's not doing much atm, is that he has gotten over with smarks on his own in the past. Combine what he's done in the past with what Miz has done for him lately and he'll likelyhave both marks and smarks on his side, and that is huge. Will Miz get his due credit from the fans? Absolutely not, but from the guys in the back that are versed in the craft? They'll know the truth.

Moreover, what Miz has essentially done is the same thing a good manager would do when he as a heel is about to split with his client who is on the verge of a face run.

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can't agree.
 
I don't feel Miz has gained actual heat.  yeah, he got loud boos when doing the cheer/boo routine with Sandow, but when he didn't have Sandow to interact with, the response was, at best, more muted, and at worse, completely indifferent.
 
I felt that Miz had potential, and I still do feel that, the issue is him being handled wrongly, and doing the character wrong.  had he been an edgy tweener or face, then his insults would have worked, but he wasn't, so they didn't. blame for that lays on both him and creative; he doesn't seem to get a good read on what his character should be at times, and creative should, by now, have given him something he can actually work with.
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Quote Back from the break and The Miz is in the ring for MizTV. He says this is the second most must see show of all-time as Piper’s Pit is #1. Miz names a bunch of wrestling talk show segments and says none of them would have happened if it weren’t for Piper’s Pit. Miz says Roddy Piper will be missed and then welcomes us to MizTV. He does some bragging and then wants Ryback to vacate the Intercontinental Title since he’s unable to defend it. Miz thinks he should get the title. Miz says as hot as he is, his two guests are also on fire and he brings out Kevin Owens first.

Miz asks why Cesaro has an issue with Owens. Owens says it’s because Cesaro is jealous of him. Owens starts talking about what he’s accomplished but the music interrupts and out comes Cesaro in a suit.

Miz says Cesaro is supposed to wait but he welcomes him anyway. Fans chant Cesaro’s name. Miz asks if Cesaro came to pick a fight. Cesaro tells him to relax, he just wanted to hear what “Walk Owens Walk” has to say. Owens says Cesaro is jealous of him because he’s succeeded where Cesaro has failed. Owens says Cesaro will never reach his level in the business. Cesaro says he’s disgusted by Owens because he disrespects himself, the WWE universe and anyone who steps in the ring. Cesaro calls Owens an embarrassment. Owens stands up and tosses his chair. Cesaro laughs at him for the chair sticking to him. Owens fires back and they have words. Cesaro says he’s good at fighting so if Owens wants to go, they can go. Miz says this is what MizTV is all about and Owens tell him to shut up, let the guys who really know how to fight do it. Owens says he will fight anyone but only for a price and tonight is not the night. He goes to leave and Cesaro taunts him, getting a “Walk Owens Walk” chant going. Miz yells at Cesaro and Owens comes back and blindsides both of them. Cesaro turns it around and goes for the Cesaro Swing but Owens retreats to the floor and backs up the ramp. Cesaro yells at Owens from the ramp as his music hits. Owens yells back that it will be on his terms.



Nice touch by Miz breaking character for a few minutes to show respect to one of his idols.

I reckon out of respect for Piper that Miz TV might become more regular now, possibly weekly.

He could well get a renewed push out of it rather than being a bit part to put others over.
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Anyone else think they should just put the Miz and Sandow back together?

As a double-act they were very entertaining, since the split Sandow has gone on to vanish from tv despite it being suggested he would get a push, Miz has meanwhile transitioned into a mostly non-wrestling personality/occasional jobber type role.

Ideally I would love to see John Morrison return and reunite his partnership with Miz but that seems unlikely with JoMo apparently happy doing his thing for Lucha Underground and bagging low key acting gigs.
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Wait, Sandow still works there?

I would like to see Miz as WWE Champion again. He played the Honky Tonk Man role better than ANYONE. He's the epitome of Sports Entertainment done right. The guy's a talentless hack in the ring, but he knows enough to not be dead weight, but in all other aspects of performance he's absolute top notch.

I mark for every segment he's in for his lines like "When my hand goes up, your mouths go shut." I had a teacher that used to say that in grade school at it always pissed me off. Seeing Miz do it is awesome. I also wish he'd bring back telling everyone about how he's the Miz, and he's awesome.
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