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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John The Baptist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16/March/2010 at 12:46
The James Bulger case is another reason why I am ashamed to be English.
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I say let him risk getting beat to death. Death penalty should be around for guys like him. Much cheaper than protecting scum at the price of 250K for a second new identity.

Absolutely not.

This is 2010, not the middle ages. The world has a society should have long progressed past the need for vigilante tactics, such as going on a modern day witch-hunt. If we allowed this to happen, what would be the need for any form of policing? We may as well let society deal with every nook and cranny that happens to come our way. Furthermore, what about wrongly convicted people who could potentially suffer as a result of that? You can't pardon a corpse after all.

The death penalty could very well be a fantastic deterrent, but my morals would object to taking another human being's life regardless of what they had done. The wrongly convicted standpoint also applies here. 

Back on topic: Jon Venables should be locked up for the rest of his life simply by breaching the terms of his release licence. He wasn't supposed to step foot in Merseyside upon being released and instead was found to be WORKING there. 
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Shiz, I cannot in any way condone the death penalty - I don't believe in this "an eye for an eye" stuff and as I said before, to me it makes us (the general public) as bad as them because we'd be killed them like they killed James. I know what happened to him were terrible and I'm not trying to make light of their crime but they've done their time plus Venables is back inside anyway after breaching his licence.




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Bringing back the death penalty is barbaric and two wrongs dont make a right and all that. Also Rock Mark made a good point about people being wrongly accused, it does happen, how would people feel if someone is sentenced to death then evidence later emerges that they did not commite the crime?

While I would never defend the killers of James Bulger as their is no excuse for the horrible crime they commited whicn inflicted tragedy upon a innocent family you do have to take in to consideration the ages of the offenders at the time and also the kind of up-bringing they were getting from their parents.

I'm not sure I would agree with Jon Venables getting another new identity though, it should be a case of he served his time and was given a second chance, he messed that up now he has to face the consequences.
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Agreed on that last count, fletch. I don't think the law wants to go into giving people fifth chances, which we in TUP have known something about in the past.

Also agreed on the death penalty count, especially because of the wrongly accused possibility thing. Vigilante law being exercised on the wrongly accused is something that if discovered could be absolutely disastrous. For one thing, if it's police or lawmakers with an interest in retaining or taking power through an opening given from that certain death, they'll be covering it up and opening the door to complete corruption in the state. And if it's the people that discover this, such as, say, family of the wrongly accused, you have a clear case for anarchy and an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for a let that statement trail off into infinity because the hell may never stop. So unless a certain-amount-of-retrials rule or provision is put into play with each potential death sentence, I would say no to that whole penalty.

The second those in power become more about punishment than justice, you're looking at justice giving way to nothing but power.


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RIP James. I read what happened on Wikipedia (of all places) and was really shocked. Can't believe the little guy was put through so much before he died. At least he's not suffering. I know his family can't be doing well right now, but I wish them the best and the ability to pull through this.
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Fact is these two bitch ass bums who did this, did do it as there several witnesses and a camera captured them taking the baby. I thought to myself of my little nephew and how devastated I would be if died peacefully. I cant imagine how I would feel if this shit happened to him. I do know I would do everything in my power to inflict them same pain on these two bitches as they did to this baby.

The death penalty is to good for these two. I say torture is much better ah they tortured this little boy. These two bitch ass, pussy fuck heads should be raped from now until the day they die, with beatings in between. They arent humans, thats what we must remember. The fact that they were weak enough, slimy enough, and grimy enough to hunt for little babies to molest and brutally murder means that they were and are scum nothing more. I refuse to see them as human being, I see them as a lesser expendable barely life form, that was an unfortunate accident on the world.


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Death penalty shouldn't be just handed out for the sake of it (don't we have a death penalty thread?) but when someone does what Venables did and then gets locked up again (child porn offences alledgedly despite Home Secretary Jack Straw keeping stum) why should money be wasted keeping them alive?
 
Robert Thompson obviously (at least so far) learned from his past mistakes and is behaving himself.
 
Nobody ever seems to ask how his mother managed to take her eyes off her two year old son long enough for two young kids to snatch him in the first place.
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Well as I stated in my 1st post, I feel anger toward the mother. These two piece of shit would have never been able to do this had she not been a terrible mother and let a 2 YEAR OLD... Yea and 2 year get away from her. And it could even go as far back as the 1st baby these shits tried to nab, and the mother stopped them. Had she done something when they tried to taker her baby this might have never happened.

But even after all that you still had two pieces of shit sitting there watching, hunting babies so that they may molest and brutally murder them for fun. So even though the 1st mother is a ditz and the mother of James should be knocked the fuck out for being an idiot beyond all comprehension, these two scum bags knowingly and purposely did what they did...
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Death penalty shouldn't be just handed out for the sake of it (don't we have a death penalty thread?) but when someone does what Venables did and then gets locked up again (child porn offences alledgedly despite Home Secretary Jack Straw keeping stum) why should money be wasted keeping them alive?

Simple. Because you didn't send them to the electric chair for the original crime. If you do it now just because there was a second offense despite the fact the second offense was in no way capital to begin with, you look like you either "got it wrong" the first time or any "mercy" you showed earlier was false and vindictive. Not to mention how thanks to the fact they've already paid their ordered debt to society you're setting the seeds at least for fear of a total police state where people can be legally killed for shoplifting. (Trust me - Charmed has shown a sample of "Pleasantville", and it's not pleasant at all.)


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