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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

erm, no.

look, Dave had one fight, just one, against someone who was not in the best shape.

Rodriguez had 14, and won 9, hardly anything to compare. Bautista is nothing compared to him, and to give that travesty of a "fight" any exposure would be a crime to the eyes of anything forced to view it.

he didn't need a feud with Dave at all, he needed to be consistently booked as a heel, and that never happened. there were flashes in the feud with Sheamus, but they then over complicated it.




Batista might of fought some fat bum but at least it was legit, Del Rio's fights were a work, they had him in a lucha mask ffs.

His one fight in a big organisation he got knocked out by a head kick while also wearing a lucha mask by a guy whos been in tons of worked fights in PRIDE. It looked real (and dangerous) but you have to think that was choreographed too.

Also I forgot those two even had a feud, just thought Rico was proposing it. ADR's whole run really was forgetable..


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/August/2014 at 20:03
to be honest, I felt like Dave's fight was a work too.

whether it would have been against his original opposition, I don't know, but it just looked too blah.
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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:


not as far as furthering a ADR/Bats feud, no.

and, as a heel, he would have no way of introducing anything from his life outside of WWE into his character. that only seemingly gets allowed to happen to gain respect from the crowd. as a heel, he didn't need respect. as a person though, he did, but not from the crowd, from the WWE higher ups.


He needed it from everybody. Few people respected ADR.

Also, Brock Lesnar says hi.

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

he didn't need a feud with Dave at all, he needed to be consistently booked as a heel, and that never happened. there were flashes in the feud with Sheamus, but they then over complicated it.


Who's talking about NEED? I'm not. I'm just saying that their feud could easily have been a whole damned lot better than it was, and even though ADR was obviously going to put Bats over, after bringing up the huge gulf between their MMA records, ADR would have come off the better in the eyes of the IWC, and he kinda could have used their backing more than he got.


the backing of the IWC?

the same IWC who bitched and whined that Bryan needed to be main eventing, then when he headlined a PPV, they still weren't prepared to put their money where their mouths were, and immediately went back to bitching when WWE didn't stick with pushing him?

how would ADR have come out better off in that short programme? he losses to a guy who won his fight by TKO against a fat guy who, at moments, still looked like he could have ended the match against Dave. [/QUOTE]

Again, he needed the respect of everybody, because very few people respect(ed) him. So yeah, being an IWC darling does not hurt, no matter what you think of them, er well, all of us (you and me included).

Well when a guy is allowed to bring up his MMA career it helps cement in people's minds that he's not just a hotheaded loudmouth punk like The Miz, but a legitimate ass-kicker. That is something that is very much lacking these days. If he looses, the same people with whom that MMA career will resonate with are the same with whom the loss to Batista on his way to the wrestlemania main event will be overlooked because they know it's a storyline.

It's the same as Punk losing to The Rock. The Rock was the only guy Punk could have respectably lost his title to without his hardcore fans whining that WWE made Punk look weak. Punk doesn't look weak losing to The Rock. He's The fucking Rock! Arguably the biggest star in WWE history, who has come back bigger and more jacked up looking than ever before on his way to a storyline fight with Cena for the title. Punk's time was up and it made sense. It's better than Punk losing to Cena or Orton.

Well here you got with ADR who has basically been crapped on his whole career because he can't connect to fans, and he's being forced to keep from talking about one of the things that could help get him over, just mentioning it and bragging that he was out of Batista's league would have been enough. The win/loss in WWE storylines isn't anywhere near as important to fans that understand this is a TV show and not a sport.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/August/2014 at 20:16
the problem with comparisons to Lesnar are that Lesnar was a massive name in WWE, due to the fantastic machine that was behind his initial push. the guy went from debuting to being WWE Champion within a year, and it worked because he was booked correctly. upon his return, it was near impossible to ignore his MMA career, and aside from, what, his first two fights, he spent the rest of his career in UFC, making him a massive name there.

why would you ignore the MMA career of the guy responsible for UFC's first million buyrate?

by comparison, even if you disregard the worked nature of ADR's MMA career, they were not in companies that had even a quarter of UFC's brand power. hell, the reason they have ignored Bautista's own MMA fight is because it was for a no-mark company. if Lashley ever returned to WWE, his MMA career wouldn't be mentioned either. there is simply not enough of an audience for those fights that could translate as casual fans tuning into the WWE product because of that fighter.

honestly, I don't believe his MMA career would have helped him get respect. hell, when WWE did acknowledge his relation to Mil, and did bring up his Mexican wrestling heritage, it made no difference to the fans, and it obviously gained him no fans in the back, and they would have been well aware of his full family connections uon his signing anyway/
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Yeah was about to say, Lesnar is incomparable to ADR or Batista. Lesnar drew the biggest pay preview buyrate of all time for UFC, big difference between Del Rio and Batista.
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