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^ Beneath the facade, this Baptist guy doesn't have a CLUE what he's talking about. LOL




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Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:


Hey may have been the poster boy but don't forget Hart took over from Hogan which was never, ever going to be easy, then Hart also shared the limelight with Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid, and HBK, so are they just as much to blame for the 92-97 period?
 
Your definately right there but I do think the blame lies more so on the face of the company as people watch shows for the main event. Just like when Shawn was the face in 1996 the blame lies more with him for that year.
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Originally posted by NFaMouZ NFaMouZ wrote:

Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:


Hey may have been the poster boy but don't forget Hart took over from Hogan which was never, ever going to be easy, then Hart also shared the limelight with Yokozuna, Diesel, Sid, and HBK, so are they just as much to blame for the 92-97 period?
 
Your definately right there but I do think the blame lies more so on the face of the company as people watch shows for the main event. Just like when Shawn was the face in 1996 the blame lies more with him for that year.

But I mean you could flip all this on its head, sure, and say that, since HBK didn't draw as a champion that well during his first run, he can't be considered a 'good wrestler'. Which is what we were discussing in the first place. So it's just a hugely flawed way of thinking whichever way you look at it.

The two aren't correlative in the slightest. At all.
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Wrestling is beyond just wrestling matches.

If thousands of people turn over the TV when you come on, you are clearly doing something wrong.

Thats about as basic as I can put it, I usually reserve these sort of posts for the retard L-Shizzel, so bravo.
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

Wrestling is beyond just wrestling matches.

If thousands of people turn over the TV when you come on, you are clearly doing something wrong.

Thats about as basic as I can put it, I usually reserve these sort of posts for the retard L-Shizzel, so bravo.

But you made it clear that you ARE talking about his wrestling matches. Multiple times in one post. 
 

Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

Being a bitch doesnt make him a bad wrestler, but being terrible in the ring does.

You know how RVD has had the exact same match every week since ECW went bust? Well thats Bret Har's whole career, an endless cycle of awful matches.

If people want to rag on Cena for having 5 moves then I suggest they watch a Bret Hart match. That Iron Man with Shawn Michaels is painful to watch.

How he got a rep as a great technical wrassler I'll never know. Khali is more technically gifted tbh.

You can't change you argument to suit your response. 
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Originally posted by CBW CBW wrote:

Bret Hart has had sensational matches with both Bulldogs, Piper, Flair and Razor, whilst working and diversifying his style throughout. He actually paved the way for a lot of WWE stuff as far as changing up what it means to BE WWE style, and to work WWE style. His matches with Hennig were incredible (and totally ahead of their time for the WWE). He pulled GREAT brawls out of guys like Diesel and Austin, and wrestled the latter to some technical masterpieces also. Undertaker, same. He's arguable BETTER in multi-man match capacity and tag-match capacity (the 5 on 5 at Canadian Stampede is the finest example of this, but you can look at the old Survivor Series matches also). His matches with Owen were sensational. Chris Benoit, the same. Greg Valentine, awesome.

Not being funny, CBW, but people like you have killed any enjoyment I had when it came to Bret Hart's matches because your view is so blinkered in favour of Bret Hart.

Bret Hart was a good technical wrestler, yes, but then so was Curt Hennig, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Owen Hart, SCSA, The Rock, Bulldog, Ricky Steamboat, Kurt Angle and so on and so on. In my opinion ALL of these were better than Bret Hart because they were so much more than just a good technical wrestler

I can watch a Bret Hart match and be guaranteed for example something like a run into the turnbuckle chest first, an elbow drop, a roll-up, a back Russian leg sweep (and/or a swinging back neck-breaker), a sharpshooter, a ringpost figure four leg lock (and/or one on the mat), a standing leg drop, a European uppercut, a sleeper-hold and an inside cradle. Watching them for the first time, yeah, maybe you'd go WOW! COOL! Watching them for the fiftieth time because the wrestler either doesn't know how to diversify his matches or is just too lazy to, they become boring shit no matter how well they are executed - and funnily enough it was a Bret Hart mark who inadvertently made me aware of all that because he was going on about how Shawn had disrespected Bret by calling something in a match of his. I stopped took a look at the many, many Bret Hart matches I have and lo-'n'-behold you got to a stage where you really could almost call his matches.

So yes, in my opinion, there is no denying that Bret Hart was a good technical wrestler, but that doesn't make him a  great entertainer, especially when it gets to a stage where you can almost call his matches. The only time he'd bring something different to the match was if the opponent was bringing more than just wrestling to that match, such as SCSA, Shawn, Hakushi and so on, but even then it would only be a couple of move changes, everything else would be the same.

It honestly makes me grind my teeth when people, (so blinkered that the only view they have is exclusively Bret Hart's POV), say shit like Bret Hart pulled this out of a guy and/or this out of a match, thus discrediting the other wrestler and painting him as someone who wouldn't have the expertise to do something for himself during the match. Bret Hart did NOT pull a GREAT brawl out of SCSA, because that was SCSA's character in the first place - if anything it could be said that SCSA pulled a GREAT brawl out of Bret Hart because of the two, a street fight was SCSA'a character's stomping ground and not Bret's, and so was being a brawler.

Curt Hennig was such a wrestler that, in my opinion, he could make ANY match he was in look fantastic, so just because he'd had such a match with Bret Hart does not make it ahead of time or any more special than the others Hennig'd had with many of the other wrestlers beforehand - and it certainly doesn't mean that Bret Hart had pulled such a match out of Hennig.

I think the only time you can even come close to making such a claim with any kind of accuracy is if the wrestler in question never performed again to the extent he did while in the ring with Bret Hart - and yet the wrestlers you mention, that Bret supposedly managed to pull some kind of greatness out of them, they'd been having such matches all over the place with other wrestlers and sometimes even better ones.

The match between Owen and Bulldog for the European Championship I thought was some of the finest work both of them had produced inside a ring. For me, it pissed all over Bret's match with Owen at Wrestlemania X and was either on par with or better than Bulldog's match with Bret when Bulldog won the Intercontinental Championship - because, in my opinion, Bulldog and Owen had better in-ring chemistry, they were free to do what THEY wanted in the match, and they brought something more than just excellent technical wrestling, they brought some entertainment value as well.




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Hayz Asks: Hi JR, I hope you're keeping well. I've got a two part question: do you prefer the in ring work of Shawn Michaels before or after the back injury? And who do you think is/was the better in ring performer, HBK or AJ Styles? Best wishes and kind regards.
J.R.'s Answer: I never really thought of it in this manner...Shawn was never not impressive in the ring but he was a different person who had a much healthier attitude when he returned fom his hiatus from the back injury. He might have been a better story teller after his return.


I loved both his E runs as one of my all time favourites, but I think his return run was better.

He had excellent matches with the likes of Flair, Hs and Taker and has stuck to his retirement.

His first run had so many firsts as guinea pig for new gimmick matches and he was part of DX too so that was also a brilliant run. Close pick between the two options.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

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      <div ="question"><span ="userquestion">Hayz Asks:</span> Hi JR, I hope you're keeping well.
I've got a two part question: do you prefer the in ring work of Shawn Michaels before or after the back injury?
And who do you think is/was the better in ring performer, HBK or AJ Styles?
Best wishes and kind regards.

      


      

    
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never really thought of it in this manner...Shawn was never not
impressive in the ring but he was a different person who had a much
healthier attitude when he returned fom his hiatus from the back injury.
He might have been a better story teller after his return.


I loved both his E runs as one of my all time favourites, but I think his return run was better.

He had excellent matches with the likes of Flair, Hs and Taker and has stuck to his retirement.

His first run had so many firsts as guinea pig for new gimmick matches and he was part of DX too so that was also a brilliant run. Close pick between the two options.


His second run was excellent no question but I think for me his first run just has the edge purely because I enjoyed his cocky heel Heartbreak Kid character so much and then even more later when he became the more controversial Showstopper, I loved his late 90's DX stuff. I was never a huge fan of his reformed babyface character when he began his second run. In the ring arguably during his second stint he had matches that fans may remember more although my favourite Shawn match is still Wrestlemania 10 vs Scott 'Razor Ramon' Hall.
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The only annoying thing that sours his initial run was his stinking attitude and crying off when something was due to happen that he didn't like. I know he was having whatever issues then found god etc but my word he wound many people up the wrong way haha.

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At least he admits freely he was a cunt behind the curtain during his first run with the company and he did use his sway backstage fr his own gain. Dunno if he used his sway in his second run but most shoot interviews and stuff I have seen most guys say there are two Shawns Before Jesus and Post Jesus. Before Jesus Shawn is a prick who they hated and Post Jesus he was annoying but not a dick. 
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