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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2015 at 19:03
I don't get what everyone's problem is, they are on the main roster squashing jobbers using the same gimmick they used in NXT with just a couple of minor tweaks to their appearance. Taking inspiration from legendary teams like Demolition and the Legion of Doom is fine as well, it's been a long time since either team were part of WWE and many fans today will have never even seen either team wrestle, so it's not like anyone will be accusing them of copycatting someone who was around recently.

No idea why people are saying they are bombing and will get released when it's this early, nothing wrong with what I've seen so far and I hope they get a run with the tag-titles in the near future.
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Curse of the IWC: You´re in the minor leagues and doing good there? You deserve to be called up, you´re held back, you should be world champion already.

You actually get called up? You bomb, you tank, you get released.


I haven´t seen much of the Ascencion yet, I don´t really like the face paint, but hey, I can live with it. However, I do agree that they shouldn´t be facing local talent. They should start feuding with a midcard team like Cesaro/Kidd or even the Dusts. Pretty much the teams NOT in contention for the tag titles at the moment. (which are the Usos and Miz/dow)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2015 at 21:44
Yeah, I don't see one single problem with The Ascension aside from the face paint. If they were any better, they actually WOULD be the Legion of Doom. But the IWC at large (not so much here it seems) are already shitting all over them and want them gone and say they never liked them.
 
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Originally posted by Steven Nyte Steven Nyte wrote:

Curse of the IWC: You´re in the minor leagues and doing good there? You deserve to be called up, you´re held back, you should be world champion already.

You actually get called up? You bomb, you tank, you get released.

To be fair, a lot of this has to do with what Vince McMahon does with guys when he calls them up, especially if the "minor leagues" we're referencing is developmental NXT from the past couple years. Here's some examples.
  • The Illuminati Road Warriors crap with the Ascension which is being used for obvious cheap heat (not to mention the call-up happening after a series of matches showing that they're pretty limited in the ring).
  • Paige goes from Anti-Diva badass face who screams to white meat new-kid face who screams before turning heel and becoming a watered down pseudo-lesbian who screams.
  • Emma being stuck in a pairing with Santino Marella which sapped the charm out of her gimmick.
  • Bo Dallas starts getting over with the winning streak enhancing his Cena parody troll gimmick…but then he loses to R-Truth who's been a glorified jobber for ages. Poof.
  • Leo Kruger's gimmick brainchild Adam Rose going from party-boy-with-a-competitive-edge on NXT to straight up Orlando Jordan Lite on the main roster.
  • Big E Langston dropping the 5-count gimmick, never picking it back up even after breaking solo AND GETTING A THEME SONG THAT OUTRIGHT REFERENCES IT, and now joining Creed and Kofi in a fraternity of black sterotypes.
  • Roman Reigns had a "boss/thoroughbred" gimmick going on for a cup of coffee at NXT before being called up to be part of the Shield, yet after the breakup, instead of trying to pick that back up at least to a degree, Vince McMahon is writing him as a corny superman who's stuck in the Shield routine.

It's not just fans being fickle or the "IWC" having a bad eye for talent. Vince is literally hurting some of these guys' ability to get over here.

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Originally posted by Pac-Man Pac-Man wrote:

(not to mention the call-up happening after a series of matches showing that they're pretty limited in the ring).
 
I said this before. You know nothing of wrestling if you actually believe that. The ascension were heels selling and putting over the babyfaces. What they did was picture perfect. They did everything, and I mean everything a heel tag team should do. They weren't playing the mark for themselves, cool heels that the IWC seems to like so much, they were classic thugs, who played like they're badasses, then back off and act cowardly when put to the test. They cut off the babyface comebacks well, then sold it brilliantly when the crowd reached a fevered pitch. Their move set? Are you serious? If they perform the move once, they can perform them again in a different match, they weren't their to "get their shit in," they were there to make as big of stars out of Itami and Balor as they could, and they were brilliant. Tag teams from the 1970's and 80's would have been proud.


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  • redarmy69 Asks: JR - don't you think the presentation of the new tag team The Ascension is just horrible? trying to package up as the new Road Warriors is a terrible move - these boys have so far to go and even putting the Road Warriors in peoples minds now is destined to get Go Away heat. Horrible Promo this week on Raw too. thoughts?
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    I haven't seen enough of them on RAW to make any kind of declaration.  I hope that they make it big and their introduction may be being over thought by some. We aren't supposed to like/embrace heels, right?   



Creative have fucked them about. Here are a couple of examples......

1) Beat two established guys on debut and follow it up against jobber teams that majority fans don't wanna see these days like back in the early 90s.

2) Beat and heel team on debut and then carry on booked as seemingly heels themselves so it looks like they did an heel turn after one show.

They aren't getting over slagging off former teams either. Wouldn't surprise me if down the line they slag off New Age Outlaws and they come back for a short time to put Ascension over.
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Originally posted by Pac-Man Pac-Man wrote:

Originally posted by Steven Nyte Steven Nyte wrote:

Curse of the IWC: You´re in the minor leagues and doing good there? You deserve to be called up, you´re held back, you should be world champion already.

You actually get called up? You bomb, you tank, you get released.

[COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]To be fair, a lot of this has to do [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]with [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]what Vince McMahon does with guys when he calls them up, especially if the "minor leagues" we're referencing is developmental NXT from the past couple years. Here's some examples.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]The Illuminati Road Warriors crap with the Ascension which is being used for obvious cheap heat (not to mention the call-up happening after a series of matches showing that they're pretty limited in the ring).
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Paige goes from Anti-Diva badass face who screams to white meat new-kid face who screams before turning heel and becoming a watered down pseudo-lesbian who screams.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Emma being stuck in a pairing with Santino Marella which sapped the charm out of her gimmick.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Bo Dallas starts getting over with the winning streak enhancing his Cena parody troll gimmick…but then he loses to R-Truth who's been a glorified jobber for ages. Poof.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Leo Kruger's gimmick brainchild Adam Rose going from party-boy-with-a-competitive-edge on NXT to straight up Orlando Jordan Lite on the main roster.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Big E Langston dropping the 5-count gimmick, never picking it back up even after breaking solo AND GETTING A THEME SONG THAT OUTRIGHT REFERENCES IT, and now joining Creed and Kofi in a fraternity of black sterotypes.
  • [COLOR=#009999][COLOR=#0066CC]Roman Reigns had a "boss/thoroughbred" gimmick going on for a cup of coffee at NXT before being called up to be part of the Shield, yet after the breakup, instead of trying to pick that back up at least to a degree, Vince McMahon is writing him as a corny superman who's stuck in the Shield routine.

It's not just fans being fickle or the "IWC" having a bad eye for talent. Vince is literally hurting some of these guys' ability to get over here.



Big E was quite over for a spell despite the lack of the five count gimmick, his character was essentially the same as in NXT just without that small detail, I don't quite know where it all went wrong for him and he's now part of the terrible New Day group.

Rollins needed a gimmick change, his mosh pit act was way to indyish and with his current success WWE were smart to book him the way he did when he was promoted to the main roster. Never saw Reigns or Ambrose in NXT so can't comment on them but I think most will agree the Shield has been a star make good vehicle for all three members.

Paige yes was handed some dumb white meat babyface gimmick but she is starting to hit her stride now since her heel turn and looks set to turn face again soon with a darker character like she had in NXT.

Bo Dallas has used the same gimmick he used in NXT, with his look and comedy style character he was never going to be more than mid-card at best although I do wonder why they allowed a jobber to hand him his first loss.

Back to the Ascension like I said I see nothing wrong with how they're being used at present and as others said the losses they took to Itami and Balor were to give the new guys a big win over some credible opponents, the Ascension were main roster bound so it did them no harm to lose and they did a great job of making Itami and Balor look good on the way out, decent booking in my opinion.
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You notice however last night when they had the lumberjack match and only heels showed up that The Ascension weren't among them despite having a match shortly after?
 
I think Vince has them booked tweener ATM until the fans make up their mind, TBH. They're being booked Ryback style, which worked really well for him, and it also worked well for THEM in NXT for a long time too, even though people started complaining about it (and rightfully so).


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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

You notice however last night when they had the lumberjack match and only heels showed up that The Ascension weren't among them despite having a match shortly after?
 
I think Vince has them booked tweener ATM until the fans make up their mind, TBH. They're being booked Ryback style, which worked really well for him, and it also worked well for THEM in NXT for a long time too, even though people started complaining about it (and rightfully so).

I actually think the lumberjacks were just supposed to be quys with ties to the authority.... I mean Cesaro was trolling team cena right before Survivor Series (and Kidd kinda dragged along this time), Big Show, J&J Security, BNB too has some ties to the Authority (they gave him his IC Match immediately after returning) - the only guy that didn´t make ANY sense out there is Justin F´n Gabriel. (who also was the only guy trying to hold the rest back when they beat up on Cena).
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The Ascension haven't done anything for me, as a fan. It seems like they try to pack too much into one gimmick, and it feels convoluted.
 
The Titantron features flashing images of various mythological status, like the Eye of Thoth and other symbols, but they don't reference any of it in their promos. They pay homage to The Road Warriors and then turn around to bash them without provocation. Even their catchphrase ("The Ascension will RISE") is awkwardly worded and has no rhythm.
 
Beyond that, it's boring to listen to them, and they seem too small to justify their squash matches being so one sided. I'd have chosen The Vaudevillains over The Ascension to be called up first based on overall character cohesion and the fact that they are more entertaining to me. But I guess that's why I'm not running the WWE either.
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