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Not all the indy darlings. Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose still seem to be pretty entrenched in the WWE Machine at this point.

Honestly I half expect to see all the former RoH guys have some say in the matter before it's done, from Daniel Bryan, to Cesaro, to Seth Rollins to Samoa Joe.

For the most part all of these guys took their technical wrestling skills and their ability to put on a good WRESTLING show very seriously before they got to the WWE, since then only Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have ever stood up and said anything about it.

I think THIS is the topic which wrestling fans need to harp on even more. To call out the RoH alums as sell-outs, traitors, washed up, watered down, frauds compared to their own selves for being in WWE and dumbing down their skills to work the "wwe style". 

If these guys got called out like this on social media by their followers, shit would hit the fan very soon. Even moreso if they got told they should be more like Neville, Aries, Cody, etc.

The shit storm would be out of this world.

Guys like The Miz or John Cena would never be phased with talk like this, but the real wrestlers, the ones that have real in-ring talent and are passionate about their craft, especially those languishing in mid-card would all stand up and make their own statements and make it in a big way. It'd be like the Bret Harts of the industry vs the Hulk Hogans all over again.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that WWE employees are almost as fed up with creative as the fans are. There just needs to be a company that can accept them all en-masse and put them on TV seen by large numbers of fans ASAP. Unfortunately even RoH, with it's growing fanbase, and certainly not TNA anymore can afford to put these guys on TV and nail down a contract.

Man what Ted Turner could do with RoH these days would be outstanding.


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This isn’t going to do either man any favours. Owens is enjoying the push of his life and was close to cementing his status as a headliner. Zayn is also getting a better push and more tv time than he really has at any other time on the main roster.

I just hope this doesn’t result in them being buried on tv or worse released. Does seem that all the indie darlings in WWE at present are up in arms ever since the Neville walk out.

To be honest i think Owens is at a point now where he could easily walk into any other wrestling federation and cause a bit of a buzz/hype and do really well for himself

Zayn on the other hand for me has probably went backwards since his time in WWE and as per your statement - is only now getting tv time - so he has the most to lose in all of this

There seems to be alot of unrest with alot of rumours around about a list of superstars asking/waiting for their release

I do think though that alot of superstars believe they have a given right to be main event just because they got a good reaction in the indie leagues from a bunch of 40 year old virgins who live and breathe wrestling - they need to step up in the big leagues and it isnt as easy as what they think. There is alot of style changes and restrictions on promos and many other factors which they arent comfortable with and as a result - they dont get the reaction they believe they deserve.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/November/2017 at 21:07
Some more news on this...the cynic in me says this is part of a bigger work....

Quote  For what it's worth, the opening interview with Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn and Shane McMahon had nothing at all to do with Zayn and Owens being sent home. They did not go off script in any way and the only part of the interview that was actually edited was when Shane McMahon got flustered.

-- When Shane told the fans that Daniel Bryan would be back next week, the fans started booing which panicked Shane as he was confused why they were reacting in that manner. It then dawned on him that they were upset he wasn't there that night and he ended up saying it on the mic which was then all edited out by WWE's production staff.

-- With Owens and Zayn, they made mention of "men of honor" and there were some people who suggested that WWE was upset as it could be taken as a reference to "Ring of Honor" but that was not the case, especially since Smackdown last week being taped, there was plenty of time to edit anything the company didn't like right out of the segment.


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Alot of people seem to be going out of their way to say it isnt a work - which makes me think more and more that there is an element of a work in here

If there isn't - they should definitely use it in the storyline moving forward
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/November/2017 at 21:22
Yeah, WWE are getting smarted with their "leaks" so it really wouldn't shock me anymore. I am loving the fact they are doing the unexpected at times, it's almost making me want to watch it properly again.

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Quote UPDATE: Here are some additional notes on Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn being sent home from WWE’s ongoing tour of Europe, courtesy of ProWrestlingSheet.com.

According to sources, Owens and Zayn reportedly went against a creative direction given to them prior to SmackDown! Live on Tuesday night. Owens and Zayn were supposed to have been “fed” to The New Day following the Zayn/Kofi Kingston match. For whatever reason, the two didn’t follow WWE’s creative direction and left the ring instead. PWTorch’s “glossary of insider wrestling terms” defines “feeding” as the following: “The heel’s role during a babyface comeback where he runs at the babyface only to be repeatedly fended off, with the hope that the series of bumps by the heel will generate positive fan heat for the babyface.”

As seen on Tuesday night’s SmackDown! broadcast, Owens ran down to the ring immediately after Kofi Kingston defeated Sami Zayn and attacked Kofi, which was planned ahead of time. Owens and Zayn then quickly bailed from the ring and headed up the ramp while The New Day stood there and waited for them to come back. Some of the guys on WWE’s sound crew became confused and didn’t play anyone’s music. The segment, which was scheduled to end with The New Day beating Owens/Zayn down, then came to an awkward end.

According to one source, Owens and Zayn have become “difficult to work with” as of late and seem unhappy backstage. For what it’s worth, both Owens and Zayn were close to former WWE writer Jimmy Jacobs and Neville. Jacobs was fired while Neville reportedly “walked out” on the company several months ago.

Stay tuned for more information as it becomes available.

ORIGINAL: We reported earlier today here on eWrestlingNews.com that Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn were both sent home from WWE’s ongoing European tour. The two were told to leave following last night’s WWE SmackDown! TV tapings in Manchester, England.

In an update on this, Sports Illustrated is reporting that Owens and Zayn were sent home due to disciplinary reasons. According to sources, the reason WWE is giving is for “conduct deemed detrimental” to the company. The site also notes that they were sent home due to “going into business for themselves” on Tuesday’s WWE SmackDown! Live broadcast. Vince McMahon reportedly approved the decision to send the two men home. As seen during Tuesday night’s SmackDown! broadcast, Owens and Zayn cut a promo during the opening of the show. The two went back and forth with Shane McMahon, which led to Shane setting up a match between Zayn and Kofi Kingston. Kofi wound up winning that match.

 
What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 
Going off script is one of the biggest no nos you can do. The only thing worse you can do in that scenario would be to not protect your opponent from injury.
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What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 

Absolutely brutal that Adders

Dont think appearance should effect where guys are on the card

Owens has been one of the better talents for the last year or two - Zayn i agree with - doesnt deserve to be anywhere near any sort of main storyline or main event
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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 

Absolutely brutal that Adders

Dont think appearance should effect where guys are on the card

Owens has been one of the better talents for the last year or two - Zayn i agree with - doesnt deserve to be anywhere near any sort of main storyline or main event
 
They are indy darlings. What they did in front of a few hundred in shithole venues before joining E doesn't matter to me.
 
Neither have been in the big league yet long enough to be spoken of as highly as they are (especially in the case of Owens).
 
Appearance does matter in wrestling. Ring work and mic skills the most, but then the look. It's why Roman Reigns crowd reactions get blanked by management just like the Cena ones.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

 
Appearance does matter in wrestling. Ring work and mic skills the most, but then the look. It's why Roman Reigns crowd reactions get blanked by management just like the Cena ones.

There are plenty of examples of where looks were "overlooked" , guys such as Ryback, Chris Masters, Mason Ryan.

Granted they were awful on the mic but at least Reigns can deliver a semi decent promo - plus his relationship with The Rock probably helps too

I dont think looks are as important as they were 20 year ago - the likes of Bryan, Owens, Ambrose, Mick Foley etc etc all have had decent careers without having what would fall into the category of "good look" for a wrestler
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:42
Please... Everyone knows if you can get over in front of one random audience you can get over anywhere. Every wrestler that has commented about it has agreed.

Zayn has gotten over everywhere. What is shit is when WWE commentators cross face/heel lines to crap on one of their own. They are always doomed when that happens.

It really is a crap myth to say that small crowds of random wrestling fans all over the world don't represent larger crowds of people of like mind.

Go back to the territory days of wrestling and show me one example of someone who got over big with one group of fans, did essentially the same thing elsewhere and didn't get over. More often than not the reason a wrestler doesn't get over is because they are mishandled at X company.

You can probably name a guy or two, but not many.

But nowadays everyone that doesn't get over in WWE after getting over big in ROH, TNA, NXT, etc., all fail to do so because WWE is the "big leagues."

Sorry, but that's just not accurate, at all.
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