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That hump was called a staph infection, and he rarely headlined a major PPV. There was a legitimate beef that Punk had, no one can really dispute that. Ultimately there was fault on both sides, but that's not where this conversation about Ronda Rousey has evolved to, and sooner or later we need to circle back around.

My point is I'd like to see these numbers. This is a prime example of how two different groups of people see things in a very different light, and I'm just having a hard time reconciling them both. Jeff Hardy just muddies the water.

Quote He had a smark fanbase but as we’ve covered these fans are not ordering PPV’s and buying stupid amounts of merchandise, these fans are not even watching Raw each week, they probably just watch select highlights on YouTube.

IS that really the answer??? I suppose that's the simplest explanation, but I don't feel the topic has been explored enough to just make that assumption. I still feel like there more missing to this puzzle. And besides that, if that were all there was to it, then CM Punk wasn't a huge draw as Tom is claiming. So again, for me it's a question of where are the numbers to prove it? Because quite personally I think he WAS a huge draw, but I'm not going to go around claiming that just because I feel he was unless I have the numbers to prove it, and everything I've been shown proves me wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Colohue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/February/2018 at 18:32
The impact of a draw isn't instantaneous as a lot of people believe. Whether people watched one episode a lot of even a run doesn't state whether someone brought eyes. Punk was a legacy draw, bringing people back to the product in a big way. As such the measure of his drawing power is in his enduring legacy.

In no way am I saying it's down to the people that still chant CM Punk; really his drawing power was only fully established near the end of his title run. For a brief run yes he was one of the top merch sellers, but in reality he was a good to high merch seller for years. Network replays featuring him have some of the highest numbers, as do YouTube clips from that time. Nobody was likely to move the needle on those Raw episodes at the time; Punk, Cena and Orton were basically the only stars to actually feature on the shows, so keeping them level at all would have been an accomplishment.

As I said earlier, it's a lot more complex than "nobody watched him and Summerslam didn't sell well." You have to factor in the more modern ways at which people watch, which has been discussed heavily here. Punk's drawing power was to that adaptive audience so his drawing power should be read in the Network launch (disappointing to the company, sure, but not disappointing for any consumer who looks at the stats), YouTube views, social media footprint, enduring merch sales and long term return viewings.

Punk also had a distinct impact on live show attendances at the time. People wanted to go out and see him. 

With Punk it's difficult to read so exactly as most of his big moments can be just as easily attributed to other names, for example Cena or The Rock, or even Triple H. What can't be disputed is the views, column inches and heightened exposure levels that came in the wake of a gamechanging Money In The Bank event. The man might not have drawn massive at the time but his long term impact should not be understated. He draws now, more than four years after leaving.

If that's not a massive draw then I don't know what is.
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He draws now, more than four years after leaving.

If that's not a massive draw then I don't know what is.

That's actually a really good point. I don't remember what british organization that was anymore, but I do clearly remember the news that some promotion in England offered Punk $1,000,000 to just appear at their show. Now maybe that's just a publicity stunt, but just having the name attached to Punk had to have helped ticket sales.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

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He draws now, more than four years after leaving.

If that's not a massive draw then I don't know what is.

That's actually a really good point. I don't remember what british organization that was anymore, but I do clearly remember the news that some promotion in England offered Punk $1,000,000 to just appear at their show. Now maybe that's just a publicity stunt, but just having the name attached to Punk had to have helped ticket sales.

To be fair - if you look at anyone that leaves WWE, companies are falling over trying to get them on their show or to join their product because they are simply ex-WWE superstars which carries a weight all of its own.

I think you only have to look at the demands Emma and Ryback are throwing around
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Quote I think you only have to look at the demands Emma and Ryback are throwing around
And not getting met either.

Compared to Punk getting thrown offers, and he's still not accepting.

Big difference there.
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Meanwhile, Ronda Rousey... Tongue

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I'm with Tom lets get the topic back to Ronda peeps good talk though.

She didn't appear on Raw or Smackdown so I'm guessing she was just there for the night then finishing off filming.

Im not sure how long the filming will go for but whatever storyline she has up soon now would be a good time to get it started.
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Exactly Rousey was being courted by the WWE and it took a long time for them to woo her into signing a contract even though she wanted to work with them.

That's a very big difference between people like Ryback and Emma who are making demands of indy promotions and not getting them met, and Punk and Rousey who are getting courted.

Thanks for helping bring this back around. It was where I was trying to steer things. Rousey took a pay cut to work with a company she wanted to work for because she's bigger than the WWE. No amount of hating on Rousey can change that.

The press WWE and Rousey are getting prove that. Maybe not as big as Tyson. I don't know how many people realize this TODAY but back in 98 most people were jumping to the conclusion that Tyson was joining the WWE to be a wrestler when he first showed up and got in a shoving match with Austin. That the Austin vs Tyson was going to be a wrestlemania match.

In this case it was well established ONLY that Rousey would be wrestling at WrestleMania and little more.
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Quote Kurt Angle announced during Monday’s WWE RAW broadcast that Ronda Rousey will be returning to WWE at the Elimination Chamber pay-per-view event. She’ll be signing her “official RAW contract” at the show.
 
Suppose it's another selling point for the show, even though she can sign a contract anytime she wants.
 
She's this big star and still not signed to a brand. That's amateur writing by creative.
 
You could have Shane and Charlotte come out with Shane stopping her signing for Raw so she can face his womens champiojn.
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I see this as more of a way to explain why she's been away for so long after making her debut and saying this is my full-time job for the next several years.

I would hope after her 'contract' signing we'll start seeing more appearances on TV close to every week leading into wrestlemania.
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