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Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

He's more over as he's got the group with him again, as soon as they go and he's back to being the unbeatable Reigns fans will turn on him again. The right thing to do with Reigns at this moment is to turn him heel, let the fans hate him then turn him back in 5-6 months then run with it.

They literally just did this. He's been heel since the Rumble and only just turned face.



No they haven't - he's been overly pushed as the top face for ages - practically rammed down peoples throats

The only remotely heelish thing thats happened to him of late is the crowd reactions and thats not down to being a heel and having legit heat - thats down to hatred that the WWE are forcing him onto everyone 
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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

No they haven't - he's been overly pushed as the top face for ages - practically rammed down peoples throats

The only remotely heelish thing thats happened to him of late is the crowd reactions and thats not down to being a heel and having legit heat - thats down to hatred that the WWE are forcing him onto everyone 

The only remotely heelish thing? Roman Reigns retired the Undertaker - the most popular wrestler on the planet for the last 10 years. He tried to kill someone in an ambulance because he lost a match. He declared himself number one contender because "I'm Roman Reigns" all while attacking Braun Strowman after Strowman's matches for no reason other than because he could.

He's been heel since the rumble, they've just played it subtle so the smarks don't catch on and start cheering the heel because, you know, "I always said he should be a heel."

Did you hear that promo on the Raw after Wrestlemania? That's no face.
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He wasn't full blown heel either. He was still the face in the feud with Strowman, yes he was using heelish tactics at times...but when faced with a monster in a gimmick match, all faces have done these kinds of things. There's no way he's been a full heel, he's been a Cena heel, older fans hate him, younger fans cheer him, that's just not a full heel.

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Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

He wasn't full blown heel either. He was still the face in the feud with Strowman, yes he was using heelish tactics at times...but when faced with a monster in a gimmick match, all faces have done these kinds of things. There's no way he's been a full heel, he's been a Cena heel, older fans hate him, younger fans cheer him, that's just not a full heel.


Completely agree

He fought the undertaker and retired him - probably would have held more had taker still been unbeaten at mania

The stuff with Strowman was as Baz said above something similar to what a lot of faces had/would do in a similar circumstance

Everything they have done with and for Reigns for the past year has all been to build up Reigns as the top baby face

At no point at all in the last few years has Reigns been anywhere near a full blown heel
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You both use the phrase 'full blown heel' yet also say he was face. So are you thus saying he was half a heel and a face at the same time? 

You don't get classic face/heel in WWE booking any more and they have to be subtle with their turns because fans like to cheer themselves nowadays, take the Ziggler heel turn for example. Because the person he turned on wasn't themselves popular it just meant that Ziggler got massive cheers.

Going to have to agree to disagree but we'll see what happens from here. I don't agree at all that Roman was face to Braun's heel. No heel does as many awesome things as Strowman does. It's about presentation. His rumble entry, his Wrestlemania moment, that promo, the ambulance crash (faces don't do that once a match has ended - faces accept their loss) and plenty of his promos since show clear heel to me. I have no problem being alone in this opinion.


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Reigns has been baby face the entire time the WWE have given Roman the "Super Cena" treatment because they still think a gimmick that was out dated when they did it back then still works today. When they put him in the feud against Braun the wrong guy got over. This has been a big problem with Roman ever since that Rumble where he eliminated Daniel Bryan. Sorry to say this but Roman is damaged goods. Ouch
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Yeah I get that Roman has displayed heel traits particularly during his feuds with The Undertaker and Braun Strowman but he was still booked as a babyface, a very dark and quite edgy face but none the less he definitely wasn’t being booked as a heel. Reigns once said himself that he’s more of a grey area guy not full committing to either side. In a way I wish WWE would book more talent like that instead of the traditional good vs evil, it presents far more interesting scenarios.

It does seem that currently WWE are having Roman work more as a standard babyface who sucks to the crowd and so forth, this will fail as fans will realise his association with his Shield buddies has been done largely to try and get him a better face reaction in time for Wrestlemania, if anything once he goes solo again it’s likely the fans will reject him more than ever.

At this point I would turn Roman full blown heel but book him as a cool dominant heel that the fans will eventually cheer then have his face turn happen organically. In the meantime push Strowman and Balor as the top faces, or bring AJ Styles to Raw and send Balor to Smackdown.
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Roman seems to have gone fully fledged face the past few weeks, doing the smiley crowd interaction stuff and not portraying such a dark edgy character. This is a shame in a way as I liked his more tweener persona.

His association with his Shield buddies does seem to have helped as Roman got a much warmer response on Raw this week, sure there were a few splatterings of boos but fairly mild and nothing like the negative reactions he’s received in the past.

So my guess is if Reigns is now getting fairly strong babyface reactions and his merchandise is doing good numbers it will be full steam ahead with his ascent to the top spot in the company. The question is as he branches out alone and distances himself from the Shield will his crowd reactions turn negative again?

I hope not because Roman has earned his spot, of course part of the reason he’s been pushed so hard is his look and his heritage but it can’t be disputed he’s worked his ass off and has developed in to a very good all round performer, his matches are exciting and always have a big fight feel and his promos work is solid. He doesn’t suffer from the gaping holes Cena had in his game like the sloppy ring work and cheesy promos filled with lame jokes.
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Well they're doing with The Shield what I always thought they should, which is not break them up, but give them separate lives away from the group and still put them back together when things go bad. Have them watch each other's backs, essentially, while still worrying about their solo careers. Giving Reigns the one vs all thing really doesn't work well these days, but show that he's got friends, and more than in the 1980's Hulk Hogan style, but actual friends? That helps a lot, and not just with Roman, but with Seth and Dean too.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

So my guess is if Reigns is now getting fairly strong babyface reactions and his merchandise is doing good numbers it will be full steam ahead with his ascent to the top spot in the company. The question is as he branches out alone and distances himself from the Shield will his crowd reactions turn negative again?
 
I would say so. He's popular because he's a mate of two guys much more popular than him.
 
Quote Roman Reigns vs. Jason Jordan: Reigns' IC Title is on the line in this one. Joe is sitting on a chair on the stage watching. The two men go right at it right off the opening bell. Reigns starts taking control with strikes and a hard whip into the corner. Jordan takes the fight out to ringside and slams Jordan into the apron. Reigns throws Jordan into the barricade, then the ring steps. Reigns beats down Jordan some more, then hits the Drive By dropkick. Back in the ring, Reigns continues the offense until Jordan finally gets in a shot and turns things around. Jordan repeatedly rams Reigns into the opposite corners of the ring. Jordan goes for a spear but Reigns moves. Reigns goes to spear Jordan, but Jordan moves and sends Reigns crashing into the ring post. Jordan controls the new few moments of the match until Reigns fires back with a running big boot. Joe is still sitting on the stage watching, and he's not happy. Reigns looks for the Superman punch, but Jordan blocks it with a dropkick to the face. Jordan pins for a two count. Jordan picks up Reigns but Reigns fights out with elbow shots to Jordan's head. Reigns uppercuts Jordan and Jordan falls out to ringside. Reigns comes leaping off the ring steps for Superman punch on Reigns, but Jordan catches him in mid-air and slams him into the ring steps. Jordan rams Reigns into the ring steps again, then rolls him back inside for another two count. Reigns goes for a Superman punch and Jordan avoids it again, and he comes back with a suplex. Jordan covers for another two count. Jordan appears to re-injure his knee, and Reigns starts focusing in on it. Reigns locks Jordan in a half Boston crab in the middle of the ring. Jordan reverses into a pin, but Reigns kicks out and comes back with a Superman punch for a two count of his own. Reigns goes for a spear, but Jordan blocks it with a knee to the face. Jordan hits a Northern Lights Suplex, then rolls through and hits a second Northern Lights Suplex, but Reigns kicks out at two. Jordan is still selling the bad knee as he circles Reigns now. Jordan goes for a back suplex, but Reigns escapes and fires back with a Superman punch. Reigns follows up with a spear for the three count.

Winner & still Intercontinental Champion: Roman Reigns

That's one of the best matches in a one on one environment he's put in, in ages.
 
When he's in a long battle where he sells a lot, it's much more entertaining watching him then a one sided quick(ish) squash match.
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