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    Posted: 29/September/2011 at 01:48





http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlaz0v_roh-on-sinclair-broadcast-episode-1-09-24-2011_sport

If you wanna watch it too.

Just finished episode one quick before Modern Family comes on. Overall a decent show, but I didnt expect anything amazing because its only the first show. So the middle portion was complete hype and recap. The PPV they had, the results, some backstories. Promos from Davey and the Briscoes. Oh and Nigel McGuinness was on commentary. (He wasnt very good)

The first match was Future Shock (Kyle O'Rielly and Adam Cole) vs Lancelot and Harlem Bravado. Now, dont let the name fool you they are Indians. (Not that dirty kind, but the American kind.) Wink

The match was good, it was fairly old school. A recurring theme for the whole show was showing up all the haters and proving their stereotypes wrong. For instance this match was quite mellow, it was old school, and had maybe 1 high flying spot with a dive to the outside. And these dudes are pretty small too. The crowd similar to the Japanese crowd didnt do too much, but they clapped politely when they did something nice and cheered was is truly cheerable. The best chant all night though was calling Harlem, Justin Beiber. It was funny.

Moving along we get the middle part I previously mentioned. Then the main event. Which was another mellow match to start. It wasnt fast paced, but had more of a old school on steroids tone. It was the basic plot point of tag team wrestling, old school style, it had a slow build, but once they got going they really got going with a bit more flash. And surprisingly Haas out shined Benjamin. Since when did Haas become a Luchadore? Dude did like 3 hurricanrana thingies. I was like who is this and where was he in WWE?

All in all a good show. I am more excited for the second show. Jay Lethal will be challenging El generico for the TV title. Just typing it gave me a woody. LOL



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Okay.  The show is supposed to be up on ROHwrestling.com on the Thursday after the weekend it airs.  Confused  But if you want to watching on ROHwrestling.com on Monday you have to buy a membership.  Angry 
 
I DVR'ed it.  It's getting aired like 3 times in the Saturday late night-overnight period where I lived.  So here's my thoughts without repeating anything that BFP said.
 
Was this even shot in HD?  Man, they really need to light the ring better. 
 
Disappointed by the volume of filler recap stuff.  They should have done this a little different and spent a some time introducing the champions and relevant contenders.  They should have made the show into more a intro into the promotion.  Afterall there's got to be plenty of new eyes out there watching for the first time.
 
The promo of Jay Lethal was very good.  I thought he sounded good.  I liked how he talked about want to be somewhere that wanted him to be himself, and not him pretending to be someone else.  It was short and to the point.  I liked it a lot.
 
Disappointed there was only 2 matches.  But both matches were very watchable.  Nothing spectatular... but nothing Botchmania-worthy either.  The timing on the matches was generally up-tempo.  Not a lot of "slow down" spots or rest-holds.  And the matches continued to move along.
 
Nigel McGinness is going to need a lot of practice and work to make it as an announcer.  He didn't add anything at the table.
 
 
 
Originally posted by bigfloridapimp bigfloridapimp wrote:

Since when did Haas become a Luchadore? Dude did like 3 hurricanrana thingies. I was like who is this and where was he in WWE?

 
Charlie Haas did a great interview with Greg Lagana a while back.  Haas said that he and Sheldon would get in big trouble if they cut loose in the WWE.  They were told to "leave something for the main event."  Later WWE decided that he was mat-wrestler and Sheldon was the high-flyer and they had to work accordingly.  When in truth, they are both and even mix of both.


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Originally posted by thundarr2000 thundarr2000 wrote:

Okay.  The show is supposed to be up on ROHwrestling.com on the Thursday after the weekend it airs.  Confused  But if you want to watching on ROHwrestling.com on Monday you have to buy a membership.  Angry 
 
I DVR'ed it.  It's getting aired like 3 times in the Saturday late night-overnight period where I lived.  So here's my thoughts without repeating anything that BFP said.
 
Was this even shot in HD?  Man, they really need to light the ring better. 
 
Disappointed by the volume of filler recap stuff.  They should have done this a little different and spent a some time introducing the champions and relevant contenders.  They should have made the show into more a intro into the promotion.  Afterall there's got to be plenty of new eyes out there watching for the first time.
 
The promo of Jay Lethal was very good.  I thought he sounded good.  I liked how he talked about want to be somewhere that wanted him to be himself, and not him pretending to be someone else.  It was short and to the point.  I liked it a lot.
 
Disappointed there was only 2 matches.  But both matches were very watchable.  Nothing spectatular... but nothing Botchmania-worthy either.  The timing on the matches was generally up-tempo.  Not a lot of "slow down" spots or rest-holds.  And the matches continued to move along.
 
Nigel McGinness is going to need a lot of practice and work to make it as an announcer.  He didn't add anything at the table.
 
 
 
Originally posted by bigfloridapimp bigfloridapimp wrote:

Since when did Haas become a Luchadore? Dude did like 3 hurricanrana thingies. I was like who is this and where was he in WWE?

 
Charlie Haas did a great interview with Greg Lagana a while back.  Haas said that he and Sheldon would get in big trouble if they cut loose in the WWE.  They were told to "leave something for the main event."  Later WWE decided that he was mat-wrestler and Sheldon was the high-flyer and they had to work accordingly.  When in truth, they are both and even mix of both.
I knew Shelton could work both the botchey and exciting style, as well as the ground game. He got to do some of that on his own. But Ive never seen Haas whip around the ring like that. Yes, this was the first time I saw them in ROH. SO I was pleasantly surprised with the good 3 or 4 Lucha moves Haas hit. I think he did more "high flying" type moves in the match than Benjamin did. I think Benjamin hit something when he got tagged in springing off the ropes, but other than that Haas surprised me.

Damn WWE. LoL. Haas could have done really well, I severely underrated him as a worker.
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Finished watching it. Other than not haveing more than two matches on the card (And Nigel needing major improvement while working on the table, but both have been pointed out already) I really enjoyed ROH's first Episode.

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Thanks to the link BFP gave us, I saw the first episode of ROH on Sinclair Broadcasting.
 
As a new viewer (never seen ROH before, shocking I know), this show was not really interesting. The two matches were technically sound but quite boring. Both matches were a little bit to formulaic and that is basically the same match twice just with different players.
 
Mcguinness came back and cut a standard promo putting over ROH and its fans. The first thing we see of a new show is the shows Color commentator getting a grand entrance and face time. (TNA opened on Spike with an X-Division match featuring AJ Styles) I did not think was the right move. They shouldve opened with an extensive highlight package of what ROH wrestling is complete with Sick "Holy Shit" spots and "Holy Shit" wrestling moves. Something anything to hook in new viewers, not introducing a color commentator.
 
We got an interview package between the participates of ROH's first match on Sinclair. The first match was uninspiring. The match was slow and the "heels" offense (the Bravado's) wasnt that entertaining. The rolling butterfly suplexes into a kick into an electric chair like move was very slow moving and looked like the guy was trying not to mess it up instead of hit the moves in a timely manner. This match also featured the first shot at TNA with the Tweet from "a fan" of ROH talking about how ROH isnt stuck in 1997. Hmm Seems like ROH and Jim Cornette is no better than TNA and Eric Bischoff in that regard. They waited 15 minutes before taking shots at the competition, what restraint
 
Then Jay Lethal talked up ROH which is fine but what do you know, he took shots at TNA in the process talking about how in ROH he can be Jay lethal. Jay or whoever wrote his promo forgot how over with crowd "Black Machismo" and Jay Flair (best nicname for his Flair impression I can think of) and how completely dead the crowd was for Jay Lethal when he was just himself.
 
Then we had a video package of teh Best In The World ROH world title match that had some brutal spots throughout but somehow went 35+ minutes. You know it makes wrestling look unrealistic if a SuperGerman Suplex or a back breaker on the ring apron or going through a table doesnt get a 3 count but 2 kicks to the head does. (I dont remember if anything else followed the two kicks but when I saw it earlier today, thats the first thing I thought)
 
We got two video packages that hyped what happened that got us to the ME match which was fine. The Briscoes cut a promo and the toothless one came off as a retard (dont know if that was supposed to or not)
 
The main event was boring to me. It was technically sound but just nothing jumped out to make me want to go out of my way to see these guys wrestle again. It was given alot of time (about 21 minutes or so) so naturally the IWC loved it because unless a match goes about 20 minutes, the match sucks.
 
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ROH needs to hire someone like Tiffany from wwe to replace Kevin Kelly in hyping future ROH shows and their website. The reason I chose Tiffany as she can talk and is really hot so fans clicking through channels might stick around when they see her. It adds some sex appeal to a very dreary looking show.
 
The arena was so dark you could barely see the crowd. Need better lighting for future shows
 
Couldve used a Squash match. Take a new guy who ROH has big plans for and make him look dominant right off the bat to new viewers.
 
ROH needed to treat this show as a big deal and it came off like episode 20 on Sinclair TV. It was treated as just another episode of ROH Tv and not a new beginning for ROH.
 
Anyway tahts all I gotta say about the first ROH show I have ever seen. If BFP continues posting links here, I'll probably continue watching them and give my thoughts 


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Awful show, as you'd expect from this terrible indy promotion.

They spotlighted a tag team not even with the company anymore, and the production made the average ECW show look like Wrestlemania. Looked like it was shot on a camera phone.

Obviously I didnt watch most of it, because I was comatose from the boring matches.
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Originally posted by Willy1225 Willy1225 wrote:

Then we had a video package of teh Best In The World ROH world title match that had some brutal spots throughout but somehow went 35+ minutes. You know it makes wrestling look unrealistic if a SuperGerman Suplex or a back breaker on the ring apron or going through a table doesnt get a 3 count but 2 kicks to the head does. (I dont remember if anything else followed the two kicks but when I saw it earlier today, thats the first thing I thought).
 
Anyway tahts all I gotta say about the first ROH show I have ever seen. If BFP continues posting links here, I'll probably continue watching them and give my thoughts

That was just a video package. When WWE or TNA runs a video package or shows pictures of say a 20 minute match, they show the best stuff. Just because someone hit a super german doesnt mean it happened 10 minutes in. I mean when they hyped Angle vs Anderson and showed the moonsault you didnt say it was unrealistic to have a 20 minute match when he hit that.


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Originally posted by bigfloridapimp bigfloridapimp wrote:

That was just a video package. When WWE or TNA runs a video package or shows pictures of say a 20 minute match, they show the best stuff. Just because someone hit a super german doesnt mean it happened 10 minutes in. I mean when they hyped Angle vs Anderson and showed the moonsault you didnt say it was unrealistic to have a 20 minute match when he hit that.


I will if I can find them.
 
Your missing my point. They were showing all the devastating spots in the match yet none of them got the pinfall. All those spots shouldve gotten the pinfall whether it was at the 10 minute mark or the 20 minute mark. A Supergerman suplex should get a 3 count, its that devastating. (considering announcers hype a regular german suplex as a pretty devastating move this is a no brainer)
 
Taking a splash through a table and landing on the concrete should be enough to get a pinfall. The fact they get hit with these devastating moves but it doesnt finish them off but a kick to the head does makes wrestling look unrealistic. Im not saying its bad it just annoyed me alot when I saw the video package. A SuperGerman Suplex should be the finish. Going through a table should be the finish to a match not just a big spot in the first third of a match or whenever it was hit. (You should note that I hate the constant kickout of a finisher formula TNA and wwe for that matter overdoes)
 
And I believe the Angle SuperMoonsault was at the very end of the match (it was basically the finish). Even though Angle missed, it was sold as devastating and Anderson got no offense after that if I recall correctly.
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Originally posted by Willy1225 Willy1225 wrote:

Originally posted by bigfloridapimp bigfloridapimp wrote:

That was just a video package. When WWE or TNA runs a video package or shows pictures of say a 20 minute match, they show the best stuff. Just because someone hit a super german doesnt mean it happened 10 minutes in. I mean when they hyped Angle vs Anderson and showed the moonsault you didnt say it was unrealistic to have a 20 minute match when he hit that.


I will if I can find them.
 
Your missing my point. They were showing all the devastating spots in the match yet none of them got the pinfall. All those spots shouldve gotten the pinfall whether it was at the 10 minute mark or the 20 minute mark. A Supergerman suplex should get a 3 count, its that devastating. (considering announcers hype a regular german suplex as a pretty devastating move this is a no brainer)
 
Taking a splash through a table and landing on the concrete should be enough to get a pinfall. The fact they get hit with these devastating moves but it doesnt finish them off but a kick to the head does makes wrestling look unrealistic. Im not saying its bad it just annoyed me alot when I saw the video package. A SuperGerman Suplex should be the finish. Going through a table should be the finish to a match not just a big spot in the first third of a match or whenever it was hit. (You should note that I hate the constant kickout of a finisher formula TNA and wwe for that matter overdoes)
 
And I believe the Angle SuperMoonsault was at the very end of the match (it was basically the finish). Even though Angle missed, it was sold as devastating and Anderson got no offense after that if I recall correctly.
OK thats fine, but ROH is more sorta like Japanese style. Eddie vs Davey sorta is ROHs version of Misawa vs Kenta. So when they hit that sick shit and it doesnt get the fall I dont see why people freak. Austins stunner is one of the most over finishers finsihing everyone yet when he hits Rock with like 4 and he kicks out of 3, no one says anything. Yet when someone uses a move, not  finisher, and not with a history or ever been put over people shit their pants.

Kenta vs Misawa, one of the greatest matches Ive ever witnessed. Misawa hit Kenta with a Tiger Suplex OFF THE RAMP that lead to the ring, onto the floor. And he didnt release it. The match went on for another good 10 or 15 minutes. It was just really slow after that. Its not like Joe Schmuck kicked out of it, its someone with could possibly do it. And with the right motivation sure. ROHs biggest stage in the biggest match of the year, I dont see why they cant kick out of crazy shit.

I would rather they kick out of a super german than taint a finisher and have them hit 3 of them and kick out of it like WWE does EVERY mania and TNA does EVERY PPV. I mean, Anderson kicking out of like 5 Twist of Hates tainted the fuck out of that move. Sure, it put Anderson over but at what cost? Who cares if Anderson kicked out of a sick looking move that should have ended the match. I care more that he kicked out of an established finisher.
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Originally posted by Willy1225 Willy1225 wrote:

Originally posted by bigfloridapimp bigfloridapimp wrote:

That was just a video package. When WWE or TNA runs a video package or shows pictures of say a 20 minute match, they show the best stuff. Just because someone hit a super german doesnt mean it happened 10 minutes in. I mean when they hyped Angle vs Anderson and showed the moonsault you didnt say it was unrealistic to have a 20 minute match when he hit that.


I will if I can find them.

 

Your missing my point. They were showing all the devastating spots in the match yet none of them got the pinfall. All those spots shouldve gotten the pinfall whether it was at the 10 minute mark or the 20 minute mark. A Supergerman suplex should get a 3 count, its that devastating. (considering announcers hype a regular german suplex as a pretty devastating move this is a no brainer)

 

Taking a splash through a table and landing on the concrete should be enough to get a pinfall. The fact they get hit with these devastating moves but it doesnt finish them off but a kick to the head does makes wrestling look unrealistic. Im not saying its bad it just annoyed me alot when I saw the video package. A SuperGerman Suplex should be the finish. Going through a table should be the finish to a match not just a big spot in the first third of a match or whenever it was hit. (You should note that I hate the constant kickout of a finisher formula TNA and wwe for that matter overdoes)

 

And I believe the Angle SuperMoonsault was at the very end of the match (it was basically the finish). Even though Angle missed, it was sold as devastating and Anderson got no offense after that if I recall correctly.



Well Willy, thats just one of the many reasons not to watch terrible indy wrestling like ROH.

I saw Davey Richards get hit with 25 Canadian Destroyers on a bed of nails, get shot in the head with a sawn off shotgun and he no sold it and kicked out at a one count.

Oh and ROH sure know their audience......midnight on a Saturday when all the nerdy virgins are guaranteed to be in their moms basement eagerly anticipating sweaty men grappling.
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