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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnvQ0F1zWP8&feature=feedu
 
The Youtube vid of Bischoff talking ROH, The commenters besides one very smart poster who calls Himself TheWill1225 (thats me of course Smile) the rest of the posters call Bischoff stupid and TNA is in trouble yada yada yada
 
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Sinclair is not a network.  They are company that owns and operates television stations.  They are network affilates.  But they make zero claims of being a network.
 
TNA should be worried since Sinclair can pay top talent far more than ROH has been able to in the past.  Remember TNA has a long history of underpaying a lot of their guys and especially the Knockoouts.  TNA isn't in any danger of losing Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, RVD, or Mr. Anderson.  But guys like Generation Me, which are paid far less than those guys... they could be lured away.
 
I hope this work out for ROH.  I think the general blaise that's cloudling the state of big-time wrestling shows that more competition is needed.  WWE doesn't feel remotely threaten by TNA, so WWE does feel any urgency to step-up and deliver a better quality product.  But maybe if TNA feels a little more threaten by ROH, then TNA will step up and resolve some of their long-time faults.  A better quality product from TNA could then push WWE.  In short, everyone has to work harder and improve.  That to me as a fan is something I would warmly welcome.
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Originally posted by thundarr2000 thundarr2000 wrote:

Sinclair is not a network.  They are company that owns and operates television stations.  They are network affilates.  But they make zero claims of being a network.
 
TNA should be worried since Sinclair can pay top talent far more than ROH has been able to in the past.  Remember TNA has a long history of underpaying a lot of their guys and especially the Knockoouts.  TNA isn't in any danger of losing Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, RVD, or Mr. Anderson.  But guys like Generation Me, which are paid far less than those guys... they could be lured away.
 
Think Bischoff is talking about the fans calling Sinclair a network because considering alot of what he said was accurate, i doubt he would have made that mistake.
 
It'll definitely help ROH pay talent somewhat but there offers can easily be dwarfed by wwe if wwe wants to and TNA can pay the the ROH talent more if they feel the talent can be useful. The thing about alot of the lower guys in TNA is that they are locked into longterm deals like AJ Styles has 4 years left on his deal, same with Morgan, Storm and Roode resigned in 2009 long term, Joe just resigned, Gen Me I think is signed through the end of 2012 (the very least till the start of 2012), Eric Young just resigned for a few more years, Pope signed a long term deal in 2010 as did Joe.  
 
The Guns can be had I think as I have no idea when their deals are up but TNA is really high on them so they would overpay The Guns to keep them and thats really the only key talents that I think ROH would have interest in from TNA and can potentially be had, Maybe Kendrick as well.
 
ROH isnt big on female wrestling as far as I know so the Knockouts are safe but TNA should pay them a bit more money
 
So like I said, this deal will help ROH pay its talent more but I dont think it'll help them steal talent from wwe or TNA


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Originally posted by fletch fletch wrote:

I agree with Bischoff. If the Sinclair network doesnt have enough broadcasting nationwide to make a impact and attract advertisers, this tv-deal is going to make little to no difference to ROH's status in the wrestling world.
 
To be honest I've no real interest in watching a bunch of spot-monkeys with no personality perform on low-budget indie-style shows.
 
The only plus-point would be if this encourages TNA to raise their game and perhaps poach some of ROH's top-talent, thats if they'res any worth poaching.
WWE and TNA have poached a bunch from ROH, WWE recently has gone indy wild. soooo. Doubt you give ROH enough credit.
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Originally posted by fletch fletch wrote:

I agree with Bischoff. If the Sinclair network doesnt have enough broadcasting nationwide to make a impact and attract advertisers, this tv-deal is going to make little to no difference to ROH's status in the wrestling world.
 
To be honest I've no real interest in watching a bunch of spot-monkeys with no personality perform on low-budget indie-style shows.
 
The only plus-point would be if this encourages TNA to raise their game and perhaps poach some of ROH's top-talent, thats if they'res any worth poaching.
A bit like TNA's X-Divison you mean, and I love that a Warrior fan is knocking others talentWink
 
Personally I thought Bishoff came across quite well in that interview, he didn't really know ROH, just said that he doubted that this deal would do much for them, that is his opinon, and he is entitled to it.
 
If they could get on Fox that really could be something, it might also mean they will get a over seas TV deal, which would be exciting.  What ever happens, at the very least this should secure ROH's future.
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Originally posted by Mr Wrestling NO.3 Mr Wrestling NO.3 wrote:

Originally posted by fletch fletch wrote:

I agree with Bischoff. If the Sinclair network doesnt have enough broadcasting nationwide to make a impact and attract advertisers, this tv-deal is going to make little to no difference to ROH's status in the wrestling world.
 
To be honest I've no real interest in watching a bunch of spot-monkeys with no personality perform on low-budget indie-style shows.
 
The only plus-point would be if this encourages TNA to raise their game and perhaps poach some of ROH's top-talent, thats if they'res any worth poaching.
A bit like TNA's X-Divison you mean, and I love that a Warrior fan is knocking others talentWink
 
Personally I thought Bishoff came across quite well in that interview, he didn't really know ROH, just said that he doubted that this deal would do much for them, that is his opinon, and he is entitled to it.
 
If they could get on Fox that really could be something, it might also mean they will get a over seas TV deal, which would be exciting.  What ever happens, at the very least this should secure ROH's future.
Warrior made more money in a few short years in the business than all of the ROH glorified gymnasts will make in their entire careers. He was second only to Hogan in drawing power in his prime and was able to retire young and live a very comfortable lifestyle with his health intact. Most ROH wrestlers will probably have to work regular jobs when their careers finish up due to years of crappy pay-offs, not to mention the fact they will probably be in constant pain through years of abusing their bodies with daredevil moves and spots.
 
I prefer old-school wrestling where talent will tell a story in the ring and work the crowd rather than 2 spot-monkeys just trying to out-do each other. I also watch wrestling for entertainment value just as much as I do wrestling matches which is why ROH doesnt appeal to me.
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1. Yes, but Warrior made money, mostly because of Vince Mcmahon and because of guys like Ted Dibiase and Rick Rude making him look good, not because he had any talent.  And I think you will find the reason he retired young was because people lost interest in him, his second and third WWF runs bombed, and his small stint in WCW was even worse.  You can't use terms like old school, and telling a story, and then include Warrior in there, because he was just a muscle bound freak who got lucky.  Anyway enough of that, this is a ROH threadLOL
 
2. I still have a problem with this spot mokey tag given to ROH wrestlers, because CM Punk and Bryan Danielson made their names there, are you serously telling me they can be called spot monkeys?  Samoa Joe was there, I can't call him spot monkey either.  And the fact is you see some excellent techical wrestling in ROH, and there is lots for the old school fans to enjoy, that is more than likely why many people who followed the NWA/WCW and WWF in days gone by, probaly follow ROH now.
 
3. It also makes no sense to say that most ROH talent will suffer fincailly, because for a start a lot of them have been signed by the WWE or even TNA, so once they have made it onto Raw or PPV, even if they don't progress beyond mid-card they are still in a solid state money wise.  Also many have already gone on to have long careers, and providing they are smart with the money, I doubt they will struggle too bad after wrestling.  So once again you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Originally posted by Mr Wrestling NO.3 Mr Wrestling NO.3 wrote:

1. Yes, but Warrior made money, mostly because of Vince Mcmahon and because of guys like Ted Dibiase and Rick Rude making him look good, not because he had any talent.  And I think you will find the reason he retired young was because people lost interest in him, his second and third WWF runs bombed, and his small stint in WCW was even worse.  You can't use terms like old school, and telling a story, and then include Warrior in there, because he was just a muscle bound freak who got lucky.  Anyway enough of that, this is a ROH threadLOL
Yes he was carried but so were Goldberg, Psycho Sid, Batista, Dusty Rhodes and loads of other top names. He still managed to get over at a level that few other wrestlers accomplish, he had help sure but some credit needs to be given to him. I do agree that fans lost interest in him over time, but I feel this was due to his frequent disappearing acts for long periods and therefore many fans were not aware of what he had done in the past, and also the fact WWE were in the New Generation Era on the verge of the Attitude Era, and Warrior failed to evolve his character to fit with these new styles.
 
2. I still have a problem with this spot mokey tag given to ROH wrestlers, because CM Punk and Bryan Danielson made their names there, are you serously telling me they can be called spot monkeys?  Samoa Joe was there, I can't call him spot monkey either.  And the fact is you see some excellent techical wrestling in ROH, and there is lots for the old school fans to enjoy, that is more than likely why many people who followed the NWA/WCW and WWF in days gone by, probaly follow ROH now.
A handfull of names have gone on to better things, only Punk though has enjoyed true success by making a name for himself in the top wrestling promotion in the US, AJ, Joe and Wolfe have not done this and I doubt they ever will. Danielson has made it to WWE but has already been reduced to low-card jobber status just like many predicted he would. His WWE future looks to consist of working as a enhancement talent.
So in reality you could probably list maybe 10 names that have gone onto bigger things, only 1 of which has truly made it big.
 
3. It also makes no sense to say that most ROH talent will suffer fincailly, because for a start a lot of them have been signed by the WWE or even TNA, so once they have made it onto Raw or PPV, even if they don't progress beyond mid-card they are still in a solid state money wise.  Also many have already gone on to have long careers, and providing they are smart with the money, I doubt they will struggle too bad after wrestling.  So once again you have no idea what you are talking about.
Again I meant the majority of them. Sure ROH will always produce a few gems that will move onto TNA or even better WWE. But I would estimate around 95% of the talent working for ROH will never earn enough money to retire at a relatively young age and live the rest of their lives comfortably off the fruits of their labour from wrestling.


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I gotta disagree with you there Fletcher. I know TNA is pretty small time compared to WWE, but AJ Styles has been the face of that company since it's inception, I fail to see how that isn't making it big. And he was offered a contract by WWE but turned it down, so it's not like WWE never wanted him either.
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Punk didn't make his name in ROH.

Nobody gave a shit until he was in WWECW.
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