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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John The Baptist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16/November/2012 at 01:03
What the fuck is a 'ladder war'.

Is that just ROH's way of making it sound INTENSE AND SERIOUS.
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

What the fuck is a 'ladder war'.

Is that just ROH's way of making it sound INTENSE AND SERIOUS.


Dude THIS IS WRESTLING
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I'm actually quite shocked by the hatred shown to ROH.  I'll admit that some of their booking decisions have been questionable, but I think they are WAY ahead of TNA with regards to being entertaining.  I've been to quite a few shows from ROH and have had fun each and every time.  I absolutely love the Kevin Steen, Jimmy Jacobs and Steven Corino team - it's one of the few factions I'm a huge fan of these days.

The signing of the Headbangers is fine to me.  I actually was a big fan of Mosh and Thrasher in WWF, and the two guys actually look like they can still wrestle.  I don't know if they can be taken as serious threats, but as a 'special attraction' team, I don't see much of a reason why they can't be used in such a way.  I DO think it was very smart to bring them in as heels, as ROH fans tend to HATE anything that was former WWF and are very selective on who they cheer for.  Cornette and others likely thought, "These guys won't get over as good guys" and went the heel route.  If done properly, they can be put over as the cowardly and annoying heel team (ala Brian Christopher/Scott Taylor).

the Jay Lethal/Kevin Steen match, while most hated it, I felt was a smart booking move to progress the story, but I would've much rather have seen Lethal fallen to Steen in some cheap fashion.  I understand why they did what they did (trying to blur fantasy from reality and whatnot), but it was still more entertaining than most shows.  I think it somewhat 'failed' because ROH is booking as if it were a TNA/WWE, but they aren't.  They are still very small in comparison and need to take care of the fans that are their live - as they very much depend on live shows, and don't have massive national distribution deals like TNA/WWE.  I think the angle would've worked, if the fans got a replacement bout as a way to 'go home happy'.

I have faith in ROH.  I feel they can work on some things, but I'm much more hopeful with ROH than TNA at the moment.

One thing I WILL say, that annoys the hell out of me.  How in the world can ROH NOT get their iPPV stream working correclty?  For God's sakes, CHIKARA is doing it right and they are WAY smaller.  Ring of Honor needs to hire a mentor, and group of about 4 straight-from-college or 1-2 year experience video broadcasting team members - cut cost, ensure someone is held accountable and has experience and can teach the younger team members.  It's not very hard to do this.
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Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

but I think they are WAY ahead of TNA with regards to being entertaining. 

that right there has got to be one of the most ridiculous things ive ever seen posted on here - there is nothing entertaining about ROH - its just chain wrestling for 45 minutes at a time
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Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

I think they are WAY ahead of TNA with regards to being entertaining.
 
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Using 'ROH' and 'entertaining' in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than watch Davey Richards v Eddie Edwards in a 60 minute "THIS IS FUCKING WRESTLING" Iron Man match or any ROH match for that matter
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My God, what happened to this forum?  I left for a year, and when I left it was full of posters who intelligently discussed and debated.  Now, it's a bash-fest of "U R MORON!  ROH SUXORZ!".  "LET ME USE MEME TO DESTROY U" *Sigh*

EIther way, I disagree.  I do not believe it's 'chain wrestling for 1 hour'.  I believe, what ROH does, is allow a match to build.  I agree, Richards vs. Edwards was not my type of wrestling - but Kevin Steen's story-telling style of a match is helping get over a new style.  To think that TNA is more entertaining than ROH, in my opinion, is an incorrect statement.  I've been thoroughly entertained by ROH's shows, and I think they are starting to blend their older style of wrestling with the 'entertainment' style of wrestling a lot more these days.

TNA is trash these days.  TNA has an erection for the whole "We're taking over" storyline that they have rehashed 4-5 times.  Hogan/Bischoff need to realize that nWo is dead, and trying to bring up that concept will NOT work.  The Aces and 8s angle has been HORRIBLE with little to no 'shocking moments'.  It's a team of B-Wrestlers, oh no - so scary.  *Sigh*  It only gets the live audience, which they see every week, to cheer.  But fans across the world are tuning elsewhere, the ratings from the past iMPACT is proof of that.

My personal opinion: ROH > TNA, you are free to disagree.
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Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

I've been thoroughly entertained by ROH's shows
 
I mean this in the nicest way humanly possible when I say you are one of the very few who think this.
 
This is not a TNA mark arguing with ya, this is a wrestling fan arguing with ya. Even the most hardened ROH fans are giving up on it because the roster is at its all-time worst and the storylines are straight out of 1983.
 
Cornette and Sinclair has ruined ROH for even the most marky ROH-bots out there. There is talk that ROH wont even survive 2013 because of how shit they have been the last year or so in all facets of TV business and behind the scenes business.
 
There top talent is leaving and the new up and coming talent on the indy scene are bypassing ROH and going to DGUSA or PWG or Chikara these days to work on their craft in the US and try and get noticed through those feds. Simply put time has caught up to ROH.
 
TNA aint that great at the moment on TV (ppv is a different story) but it trumps anything and everything ROH is doing these days.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MUSA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2012 at 01:12
Willy, you bring up good points - thanks for the response!  In your opinion, what do you think are examples where Sinclair/Cornette hurt their chances of having ROH survive and thrive?  This is NOT sarcasm at all, I'm genuinely interested, as I might be forgetting something that you have noted.
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