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    Posted: 27/October/2016 at 17:31
I've been noticing lately a clear bias of the fans towards negativity against Raw and favoritism towards Smackdown.

To begin with I almost completely hated Raw and really enjoyed Smackdown, just like everyone else.

The thing is though, I like to try and keep an open mind about the ever-changing product. I've been a fan for about 30 years now, and a loyal fan (off an on haha) since 1990, having not missed more than an episode or two of Raw since 2010, nor Smackdown since it moved off Syfy.

Rosters aside, Raw is still very much the better show compared to Smackdown. I'm not sure why the fans as a whole don't see that.

What are the highlights of the main rosters television tapings each week? Jericho, Owens, Elsworth, the four horsewomen and Bliss, The Miz, and Mick Foley.

OK, so smackdown as a total jobber that is basically Zack Ryder of 2011, all bandwagon and no substance, Becky and Bliss, and The Miz.

Raw has Jericho, Owens, Charlotte, Sasha, Bayley, and Foley.

These are the people who the fans are talking about (or should be) each week for their good performances. Do you see the problem?

The Main Event.
AJ Styles and Dean Ambrose aren't standing out and they're the main event. Meanwhile over on Raw Jericho keeps steeling the show and ends up as a major part of the main event because of it, and Owens is fighting hard to keep up and doing pretty well. Owens vs AJ? Owens wins, easily. Over on Smackdown I feel like I'm watching an episode of TNA from 2009. All indy vibe, nothing really impressive, but somehow still gets all the attention because "OMG WWE is bad!" Oh yeah, there's also Seth Rollins.

At this point I would STILL rather see a reunification of The Bullet Club and The Shield, and run with that as a major portion of each show. Have Shield be on Raw and The Bullet Club on Smackdown, and have one guy from each group as the brands champion, with the other two supporting him, and then for survivor series give us Bullet Club vs The Shield. It's basically too late for that now, I know, but it'd be a lot more interesting than what we are getting, save for Jericho and Owens.

The women.
We've got two different feuds going on both brands. The midcard on Raw was Bayley vs Brooke, that was designed to be bad this last week, and everything Brooke does is bad anyway, and on Smackdown it was Natty vs Nikki. Nikki is still really bad and she's a horrendously bad babyface, meanwhile Natty can be as bad as she wants to be and you can't help but root for her, but in supercena fashion Nikki gets the win. The saving grace to that this last week was again Carmella beating Nikki down, but the problem is in the survivor series matchup we're getting Nikki and not Natty in the ring.

In the main women's spot there is Charlotte vs Sasha in a hell in a cell match being hyped. OK so, there's a problem with Foley one week saying the women deserve their spot, and the next he's trying to talk them out of it, that's on the writers. The thing is Foley did an amazing job delivering both messages, and he deserves credit for doing his job well. That aside Charlotte and Sasha are the match everyone's talking about as the show-steeling match at the Hell in a Cell PPV. Their performances during their build have been great, their chemistry is through the roof, and their match quality is always good even if it gets repetitive during their in-ring encounters on Raw (who's doesn't get repetitive? Bryan vs Ziggler and Perfect vs Hitman were both classic week-in week-out encounters but truth is they were repetitive as well).

Compare that to Becky vs Bliss. /sigh Look Bliss and Becky are good, and Bliss has really stepped up since getting nto the main roster, but she's also very cliché, Becky has some uniqueness to her, at least as much as Sasha and Charlotte do on their side of the brand vs brand comparison, but for as good as Bliss is, she's nothing new. She's very good, but I kept finding myself watching their back and forth on the mic this last week and thinking I've seen this a million times. It'd be nice to see something a little different and not so over the top. OK, I admit the feud is suffering because it got pulled at the last second because of whatever medical concerns Becky had and now they're trying to rekindle the spark so they can finish the feud, so it's going to feel a little rehashed, but it wasn't that spectacular to begin with. It was good, nothing more, nothing less, and now the blowoff is when? Where? I'm not even clear as to whether or not that match is going to be on TV.

Clearly Raw is doing better, because while the lows are low, the highlights are higher than it's ever been for women's wrestling. Smackdown is just sorta there.

The tag divisions.

I'm sorry, but I'm really over the love of the little jobber against the legit contenders. Heath and Rhyno are lame. Again I'm back to Zack Ryder 2011. That's Heath Slater today. Does Rhyno even have a point to existing in this team? He just sits there doing nothing, says one thing and the fanboys squeal all over how great they are. I just don't see it. New Day is played out at this point. I don't even remember what they did on Raw last week. Maybe they weren't even on the show and I just didn't notice.

Honestly? I feel like maybe WWE creative itself is stretched too thin at this point. The tag divisions in particular show nothing of interest, like they're just going through the motions. They received their bookings that night, the script isn't there and that's how it comes across. Heath vs the Spirit Squad? That's not entertaining. I don't even know what New Day is doing at Hell in a Cell. ARE they doing something at Hell in a Cell? TBH I really can't give the edge to either brand here. Enzo and Cass had a good segment on Raw where they had their mics silenced and still got the fans to do the sing-a-long. That was good.
Maybe I'll give Raw the tip of the hat just for that, this last week.

Midcard
You've got Reigns vs Rusev. At least, I think that's who Rusev. I couldn't care less about this feud at this point. I just don't care anymore.

Miz vs Ziggler? Miz is watchable as of this week. He wasn't great, but no one is on EVERY week, and he has never been an every week kind of guy. He gets hot, you have to see him, can't miss, and then he cools down and he's bleh for a while. Ziggler? He's trying, but he's just lost all his edge. He's not the showoff, he's not stealing the show, he's just trying hard, but that's not enough to be entertaining either. Turn him heel already, please.

I'd give the slight edge to Smackdown this week.

The Cruiserweights.

Ugh fuckit. Give them their strengths back. Give them their high speed, total nonstop action (pardon the pun), and keep the mic-work to an absolute minimum. I'm starting to resent the entire division at this point. It's sad that Smackdown gets the nod here because they don't have a division at all.

On-screen management.
Raw, Stephanie and Foley get too much time everyone says. Yeah, I agree, but they're also pretty good. You can complain all you want about Raw being about them, blah blah blah, but they're good, too.

Smackdown, Shane is nonexistent for the most part, and Bryan is... /sigh he's just not that good. He has moments here and their, but really, he can't hold a candle to what Steph and Mick are doing. And maybe that's the point, too? I get that the fans like that they're hands off and not a part of the storylines, but the thing is, when they are involved, they're not good.

The rest of the card.
Jericho is always, dependably GREAT, week in week out for the last several months, basically all of 2016, at this point he's my pick for wrestler of the year in 2016. He's fringing in the main event, but ultimately he's NOT the main event, at least not in an in-ring capacity. He's like Mr. Perfect as Ric Flair's executive consultant. He is the reason to watch the WWE at all right now.

Braun Strowman, they've got a slow build going with him, and that's good. I finally see a future for the guy. His day is not now, but that's fine. What sucks is that Zayn is likely gonna get jobbed out, when he should be in or fringing in the main event. This is an atrocious misuse of Sami Zayn who is still the front runner for Match of the Year with Shinsuke Nakamura. I'm fine with Zayn losing this weekend only if the feud continues and Zayn topples the giant in the end, but if it's anything less than that it's horrible, absolutely horrible. Strowman isn't even THERE yet, and Zayn certainly doesn't deserve this.

Wyatt family. I guess they got a new recruit in Randy Orton? ... riiiight. Orton? Really? I'm glad Luke Harper is back, and I like the way they're talking about Harper too. But they're all just sort of there, all 3 of them.

Brock Lesnar /with Paul Heyman. These guys are essentially Bobby Heenan and Andre the Giant for the new generation of fans. Difference is Andre had charisma, and not just some, which is a whole lot more than Brock has, but loads of it soas to be up there with the best of the best. Lesnar can go, and there's a niche following of fans that go crazy for him. Whatever, I don't see it, but he's apparently still over as hell so good for Raw I guess.

Goldberg. In all likelihood this is a one match deal, Goldberg's looking at the lights and then he'll headline the WWE Hall of Fame Class of 2017. He's #5 on my all-time favorites, and his promo the week before brought a lot of memories back for me as to why I liked him so much. The in-ring work was never great even in his prime, but his presence was unmatched by anyone this side of the Undertaker. Who knows if he's still got that? I kinda doubt it to be honest. Despite all that I'm not interested in this feud even though I'm intensely drawn to see everything that happens with Goldberg's "run" in the WWE in whatever capacity it may end up being. I don't want to see the match, because I know what's going to happen. I want to see the match because I want to see how well he's aged and if he's still got 'IT'.

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So what have you got really?

Raw is long, and it's definitely got it's ups and downs, and it's downs are terrible, but it's ups are through the roof.

Smackdown is consistently OK. No really horrible atrocious complaints to be had, but nothing to get excited about either, despite the Elsworth phenomenon.

At least, that's how I see it. I just don't see why Smackdown gets all the love and Raw gets nothing but blasted for being bad when it's the only show (of the two) producing something truly great.

Also, when are Triple H's actions going to be explained??? Survivor Series? When? This story potentially exists outside of Raw and Smackdown as there's the possibility (whether you like it or not is irrelevant) that it could mean NXT is going to get into the mix and turn the whole thing into Raw vs Smackdown vs NXT, and as we all know, Triple H is the Stephanie/Shane of NXT.


So tell me, Why does Smackdown get all the love? Why is Raw really so bad?
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:


So tell me, Why does Smackdown get all the love? Why is Raw really so bad?


Great post Rico and so I will give you some of the reasons why I prefer Smackdown to Raw.....

1) It doesn't have Seth Rollins getting a title shot in every PPV he's in. It's ridiculous to the point of Cena in his prime years but at least for most of that time he was the champion.

2) The commentary team is better. They compliment eachother well and don't belittle or shout over the top of their colleagues like Raw, especially Graves.

3) Two hours is much easier to digest than three hours which most of the time is tiresome.

4) Smackdown doesn't have the spot monkey fake looking circus act division that i'm still to take to.

5) Instead of relying on guys pushing 50 with barely a match this century 16 years later, they find a gem like Ellsworth that's super over and come from nowhere.

6) We don't see Shane anywhere near as much as Stephanie, therefore it means more when the General Manager makes their appearances feel special and rest of the time leave it to Foley/Bryan.
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To each his own I guess...

Corey Graves is IMO the best commentator WWE has. Maro Ranollo or whatever his name is, is good insomuch that he calls the action and is very professional, but his voice just grates on my nerves. Graves reminds me of Bobby Heenan at times, at others Jesse The Body, and other Scott Hall.

I am really getting sick of Ellsworth though, no so much him, but the people that shit themselves whenever he is on. I hate the fad, and making him a major part of the show is annoying, and I don't even want to watch Smackdown knowing he is in the main event. Him being over makes me embarrassed to call myself a wrestling fan.

Fair enough on the time, and Rollins. The rest is just preference.
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Quote According to ShowBuzzDaily.com, this week's SmackDown (featuring the return of John Cena) did 2.885 million viewers. As a result, SmackDown narrowly beat this week's RAW in viewership with RAW doing 2.855 million viewers. SmackDown's number was up from last week's 2.637 million viewers.


The only surprise to me is it didn't happen sooner.

It's very much like the last time the shows were separate brands and Heyman made Smackdown far superior.

I'm sure Vince will look for ways so his beloved Raw doesn't have this happen to them regularly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/December/2016 at 17:00
Yeah, Cena will be traded to Raw.

Btw whatever happened to The Undertaker? Wasn't he supposed to be more or less a regular staple to smackdown following his return before survivor series?

I swear the unwashed masses of the IWC are idiots. Smackdown has been unwatchable for ages now, but because people like to ride the bandwagon driven by maffew smackdown gains in viewership regardless of show quality.
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Well if nothing else for all the hate he gets it proves Cena is a draw.

I haven't watched a entire Smackdown episode for ages now, as I predicted the brand simply doesn't have the depth in its roster to remain entertaining longterm, I'm already sick of seeing Ambrose/Styles and James Ellsworth is a joke. All the other matches/feuds already feel stale and repetitive.

That's a good point Rico about The Undertaker, he shows up promising to be more than a once a year wonder and pledges his allegiance to Smackdown but then vanishes. My guess is we may see him at the Royal Rumble perhaps to challenge the winner of Styles and Cena.
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  • Mr. X Asks: Raw will always be considered the "A" show. But since the brand split I think Smackdown has been the better product by far! Here are some reasons why. I think they have a better overall talent roster. The show is only 2 hours which makes it easier for the fans to watch. And the storylines and feuds are much better than Raw. A perfect example of this is the Wyatt/Orton business. They didn't rush it. You felt as if something was going to eventually happen and you had to keep watching each week so you would't miss it when it actually did. And the payoff with Orton burning Bray's cabin was MONEY! And the added bonus was the swerve of having Luke Harper distance himself from Bray and Orton first! This is one of the best pieces of WWE business in a good while. It is the kind of stuff you saw regulary during the Monday Night Wars. And it is this kind of stuff that made me even more of a fan during the 90's then I was growing up in the 80's. So my question to you is Raw or Smackdown? Which show do you prefer, and why?
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    I rarely watch either show live any longer due to other obligations and interests. RAW being 3 hours does them no favors. Each show has a different writing philosophy or so it seems. 



Smackdown is still the A show with regards to entertainment and it's much better for not relying on part timers.

The fan is right to mention the slow build of Orton/Bray. Miz/Cena stuff that started last week is great too and it's trying to build up a midcard with guys like Corbin.

Raw still struggles to keep you entertained for three hours and needs to get shut of the cruiserweights.
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I have never noticed this before.
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