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Topic: Dolph Ziggler On Smackdown
Posted By: MariaS
Subject: Dolph Ziggler On Smackdown
Date Posted: 10/May/2009 at 20:55
I'm really hoping they do something with Ziggler.  That name is atrocious but the guy is a good wrestler.  It's amazing to think that he was one of the Spirit Squad cause they were portrayed so poorly.  Those are five guys that the WWE really messed up with.  They could have taken all of them with separate entities and made them into future stars but when you're first and only big feud is against friggin DX, what do you expect is going to happen?  He impressed me when he took on Batista a few weeks ago and he impressed me this past Friday with taking down Khali.  Yeah, he had to use a chair but that was such a great heel move and it got him some pretty good heat.  

Dykstra would have probably gotten his ass kicked a lot.  Randy Orton said he slapped the shit out of him one time cause Dykstra got smart towards him.  I would have loved to have heard that convo.  I don't even remember watching Johnny Jeter, Mikey or the other one in singles action..  I can't even remember all of them cause they were used so poorly.

Anyway, back to Ziggler, they need to take him and put him in the US title picture along with Morrison, Mysterio, Benjamin and build that division up.  It could become a really good division with these guys in it.  Ziggler is gonna be one of those guys that gets cracked on at some point for that name.  Him and Morrison feuding one day will be perfect.

What do you all think of this guy? 



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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 10/May/2009 at 21:44
Ziggler along with Kenny Dykstra were the only two Spirit Squad guys who really had any future in WWE, the others were just making up the numbers.
I think the SS gimmick could have gone further had they not been jobbed out and humiliated by DX on a weekly basis for so long, and Kenny and Nicky(Dolph)could have become a regular tag team.

Kenny was talented but his backstage issues were the death of his WWE career.

As for Dolph, i like him and unlike many people i dont hate his name, sure it sounds like a porn star but that amuses me because WWE is so PG these days.

He is charismatic and seems to be fairly decent in the ring. He has had mixed fortunes so far being jobbed out but also gaining a couple of nice wins.
The angle with Khali was good, it allowed Ziggler to come across as a strong heel by beating down Khali, using a chair didnt make him look weak because most wrestlers would need a chair to inflict that kind of a beating on a man who is more than double their size.
I just hope the result isnt Ziggler suffering a clean defeat to the lumbering Khali, Khali is now recognised as a mid card guy due to his limitations as a wrestler, so i see no reason why Ziggler shouldnt go over, fair enough if he has to cheat to win but he should win.


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Posted By: Trice
Date Posted: 10/May/2009 at 22:28
Agreed on the last point there fletch. I'd like to see him get the win over Khali, but i cant see it happening. I dont remember the last time someone got a clean win over Khali who wasnt HHH.
Are they really gonna have the last 2 guys to beat him be HHH and then a new guy?
Hes definately got potential and mic ability. whilst the name is retarded, i find it amusing. specially as he has to introduce himself all the time. memorable, at least.

not too sure about the mr. perfect references from JR, but yeah, I think a nice mid-card fued would be good for him. JoMo or shelton.

i like his entrance music too :]


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Posted By: badguy
Date Posted: 11/May/2009 at 07:49
Dolph does have potential, he has shown it plenty of times, hopefully WWE don't mess him around and push him then decide they dont want anything else to do with him.
 
This is what Nick Nemeth's third character, as he went from Kerwin White's (Chavo Guerrero) sidekick to Spirit Squad member to Dolph Ziggler, so heres hoping third luck is the charm. He has the potential, he has a good look, he can speak on the mic but the question is, whether WWE sees that in him.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 11/May/2009 at 16:10

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2009/may1-7/10151828 - http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2009/may1-7/10151828

* Although he lost the match, i'm glad he didn't get pinned or made to submit like you would have expected.

* It would have totally killed him if he had lost his open challenge segment properly and not through DQ.

* Having him take out Khali with a chair makes him look pretty good. Maybe he's going to get a push.



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Posted By: Trice
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 21:12
I highly dislike his new entrance theme. Its jsut not good.

his old one was punchy and catchy.

this one is just annoying. bleh! reminds me of Zach Ryders. useless.


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Posted By: Pac-Man
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 21:31
Trice, you took the words right out of my mouth. Cept at least Zack Ryder's theme is "melodic" enough, and I use that term very loosely, to be remotely capable of catchiness. Dolph Ziggler's new "I am perfection" theme song is just downright annoying.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 22:10
I actually dont mind the new theme, plus they are obviously having him loosely play on Curt Hennigs Mr Perfect gimmick.
His previous music was ok but i always think entrance music with lyrics gives the impression the wrestler is a bigger star.


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Posted By: Trice
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 22:14
Originally posted by fletch fletch wrote:

I actually dont mind the new theme, plus they are obviously having him loosely play on Curt Hennigs Mr Perfect gimmick.
His previous music was ok but i always think entrance music with lyrics gives the impression the wrestler is a bigger star.


indeed! like stone cold, the undertaker, ric flair and cm punk! :D

jokes aside, i get your point, his wasnt a theme you could see coming on and makin the crowd pop. but the miz's isnt spectacular either and theyve not seen the need to change his, despite the fact hes on probably one of the top 3 pushes in the E atm (avec JoMo and Punk)


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 22:30
Give it time though and i can see Miz getting a vamped up theme.

Heres a few examples of wrestlers who got new music with lyrics when they became stars:

Batista.

Bobby Lashley.

Triple.H.

Edge.

Christian.

John Cena.

Steve Austin did have a version of his theme with lyrics which was actually really good but they dropped it after a while in favor of his original version for some reason.





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Posted By: Trice
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 22:39
add Matt and Jeff Hardy, *cough* Mark Henry, Kane, Show?

i do like a good non-lyrical entrance though, some of the ones TNA use are pretty good.

evan bourne'll get a new one sometime presumably.

but yes. OT, dolph's new one is pants.

and im wondering how they are gonna further this Khali fued. what other ways can he win? also, there was no eddie mention in his win the other night on SD. That was classic eddie.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 23:02
So with a few exceptions it seems the top names get a lyrical entrance theme, ironically three of the biggest stars in WWE history spent all or the majority of their WWE careers with non lyrical themes, those are Undertaker, Steve Austin and the Rock, although Taker did have lyrical themes during his spell as the American bad-ass, to be fair as the dead man, organ music with someone singing over it wouldnt sound right. Shift+R improves the quality of this image. Shift+A improves the quality of all images on this page.

As for Ziggler/Khali im hoping the Bash will mark the end of their feud and should see Ziggler get a pinfall win by whatever means nessecery.


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Posted By: Tragon70
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 23:10
I'm Dolph Ziggler ... I like his character & I'm glad they stopped comparing him 2 Mr. Perfect. Ziggler & the Khali feud is quite funny.

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Posted By: Mr Member
Date Posted: 25/June/2009 at 23:35
This little git has grown on me, I must admit. I still think his gimmick and name are ridiculous, but his in-ring stuff has won me over. It'd be nice to see him lose the name and gimmick, though. Just come out like Goldust did when he went to WCW as Seven(?) and just renounce the gimmick/name. That'd be great. A downside to that would be he most likely would get fired, but hey, roll the dice. WWE survived without him once, and I'm pretty sure they can do it again. Hell, even make it a storyline where he renounces the name/gimmick. I don't care. They've both got to go, though.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 07/September/2009 at 21:51

From Jim Ross Website............

Quote http://www.tupwrestlingforum.com/jrs-qa/wrestling/jr-dolph-ziggler-seems-have-something-special-ive-been-impressed-his-quick-progress - JR, Dolph Ziggler seems to have that something special. I've been impressed with his quick progress both in the ring and in his evolving persona. Maria certainly doesn't hurt his presentation. Every week, you refer to Ziggler as "Rudely Perfect", which is very apt as his evoking of the late greats Rude and Hennig are obvious. But the guy I see when I watch Ziggler is a guy named Stunning Steve Austin. From his walk and attire to his movements in the ring, Ziggler really reminds me of Austin in the Hollywood Blonds era. Why, a Ziggler and Kendrick team could be a new evolution of the Hollywood Blonds, wouldn't you agree?

Perhaps...I doubt that we will ever know but I suppose it makes for interesting fantasy booking. Ziggler has a long way to go but if he keeps improving, gets some luck, and refuses to go back into prelim abyss then he may be the next guy to elevate to main event status on SD which then means he will be on Raw sooner than later.

* Would you say the person asking the question is a big fan of Dolph? What gave it away ha ha.

* I think it's just a tad too early to be comparing Ziggler to three legends like Austin, Perfect and Rude.

* I can see bits of all three in his character, but it's important he doesn't become a clone of someone else.



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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07/September/2009 at 22:46
The one point I definately agree with was how Ziggler and Kendrick could have been the new Hollywood Blondes, they would have been a excellent heel team/stable.




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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 24/September/2009 at 15:49

From Jim Ross Website.........

Quote Pat Patterson, who is a great judge of talent and even though his Breaking Point experience with the man wasn't a positive one, is extremely high on the upside of Dolph Ziggler. I agree with Pat on this one. Another pure athlete with a strong amateur background who is beginning to make his mark in WWE. If more athletes with Ziggler's background are recruited, signed and throughly trained, any companies roster depth issues will be addressed efficiently and long term. Goal oriented athletes from competitive environments more often that not hold up better than many other prospects. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule but I'll take my chances with the jock mentality any time.

* Outside of the storyline the Patterson/Ziggles stuff at Breaking Point was very successful.

* It gave Ziggles time to speak on the mic and it's pretty easy to draw heat in Montreal by slagging off Pat Patterson.

* Long may Dolph stay on Smackdown away from those on Raw who would keep him down.



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Posted By: Steven Nyte
Date Posted: 24/September/2009 at 16:15
Adders, you´re bound to get some trouble from acey over calling Mr. Ziggler "Ziggles" again....

*lol*


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 24/November/2009 at 22:18
Quote

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter


For those keeping track, Dolph Ziggler has taken part in twenty-six Intercontinental title matches at various events (televised and non-televised) within the past few months, losing all but two. He won one match via count-out with another match being ruled a double count-out. Furthermore, he has come up short in retrieving the title on television on seven different occasions including Night of Champions, SummerSlam, Hell in the Cell and four separate episodes of Friday Night SmackDown!.

Ziggler was at one point scheduled to win the title from Rey Mysterio over the summer, but the high-flying Superstar vetoed dropping the title to him on more than one occasion. When push came to shove as a result of a 30-day suspension for violating the company's drug testing policy in early September, Mysterio agreed to drop the title to John Morrison.

Now it appears that the ship has sailed on Ziggler nabbing the gold as WWE officials have reportedly "given up on him."

On a related noted, Ziggler was voted the "Most Deserving of a Title Shot" among his peers in the "Superstar Survey" taken for the latest issue of WWE Magazine.
 
* Being so highly rated by your peers obviously means nothing in WWE.
 
* I would like to know why all of a sudden creative/management have gone off him.
 
* At least he's got Nikki Bella to cheer him up as his better half.


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Posted By: polomanewave
Date Posted: 03/March/2010 at 01:56
HE IS THE FUNNYEST FIGHTER WHEN HE IS MAD................Tragon70ZIGLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/wrestlezone.com/upl_images/ziggler.png - http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/wrestlezone.com/upl_images/ziggler.png


Posted By: polomanewave
Date Posted: 03/March/2010 at 02:00
Originally posted by Tragon70 Tragon70 wrote:

I'm Dolph Ziggler ... I like his character & I'm glad they stopped comparing him 2 Mr. Perfect. Ziggler & the Khali feud is quite funny.


Posted By: bigfloridapimp
Date Posted: 03/March/2010 at 03:23
Who in the blue hell would compare these two, being Perfect and Ziggler? One is perfect the other is a solid worker. 

I was watching old Raw videos and I saw Perfect, damn dude was fun to watch. I realized... If anyone should be compared to Perfect in the slightest, it should be Chris Hero. Wink


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 07/March/2010 at 19:31
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2010/march1-7/13698922 - http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2010/march1-7/13698922
 
After qualifying for MITB last week i'd have liked Dolph to have won again to build some momentum.
 
He had a good match with Shelton but needed the win the most out of the two.
 
Winning MITB could do wonders for him but he's got to be seen as an outsider.


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Posted By: Tragon70
Date Posted: 14/April/2010 at 23:15
Dolph Ziggler is quite an entertainer & I enjoy when he's in the ring. I always yell out "THEE ZIGGLA" I yell it out in a certain kind of voice & it's quite funny. Maybe Ziggler should try out the tag division out for a little & it could possibly let him shine. Right now I don't see him in the main event @ this moment, but I hope to see him in the future.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 19/April/2010 at 14:48
http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2010/april15-21/14146562 - http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/smackdown/2010/april15-21/14146562
 
Creative are doing a fairly decent job of making the sleeper look like a dominant finisher.
 
A few more sleeper wins and people might start tuning in to see who's going to be sent to sleep next.
 
There is also more of a main event edge to him lately with a slight tweeking in his persona.


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Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 20/April/2010 at 00:01
Please get rid of the sleeper finisher FFS. Theres no point in putting it over as a skull crushing move now when it has been passed off as just a time wasting manoeuvre for so long. I remember they did the same angle for Hardcore Holly, his sleeper hold was so destructive apparently because he had steel plates in his arm. Lame.

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Posted By: ozwwefan
Date Posted: 20/April/2010 at 00:28
Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

Please get rid of the sleeper finisher FFS. Theres no point in putting it over as a skull crushing move now when it has been passed off as just a time wasting manoeuvre for so long. I remember they did the same angle for Hardcore Holly, his sleeper hold was so destructive apparently because he had steel plates in his arm. Lame.
        Thanks RM, I was trying to think of the last time anyone tried using a sleeper hold as a finisher, and can't believe Ziggler is using it instead of the Zig-Zag to finish. Sleepers and people's dramatic 'third-raise-of-the-hand' comebacks from them have become so standard over the past couple of decades that having it as a finisher looks lame - unless they have a Holly-like excuse why Ziggler's is any better than all the past 'ineffective' ones lol.
        HBK's wild flaying arms as he fought sleepers always made me chuckle, and Hoke had a good act for resisting them as well - it's funny because as kids we worked out that sleepers actually work a treat (thankyou, 'Tiger' Singh) - and their ain't no coming back once you are 'unconscious', until the pressure is taken off the aorta. Our rule, as kids, was you let go as soon as the other person blacked out (as primary school kids, we had no idea why it worked lol).
      << Kids, don't try this at home as play - its starves the brain of oxygen = potential brain-damage - should only be used as a real life defence move >>


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/January/2011 at 16:20
From Jim Ross Website........
 
Quote Emailer...Dolph Ziggler doesn't remind me of HHH but more of a Mr. Perfect type wrestler. Ziggler has a great amateur background and as he adds more nasty physicality to his game he will take another step up to the next level. I am a Ziggler fan without question.
 
Someone doesn't realise that Ziggler being with his female boss is only kayfabe.
 
I don't see anything else he's in common with HHH, and he's not as exciting as Mr Perfect.
 
Important year coming up in the progression of his career that's for sure.


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Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 07/February/2011 at 05:47
I've been watching the stuff from 2010 and I'm telling ya--this guy impresses me more and more every time I see him. 

He had an outstanding match against Daniel Bryan at Bragging Rights, had another one with Kaval at Survivor Series and has had great matches in the last few weeks with both Randy Orton and Edge.  I don't know about any of you but I think this guy should win the upcoming Money in the Bank match at WrestleMania.  With Vickie Guerrero as his mouthpiece, him being the MITB winner could be as irritating as Miz was with his. 


Posted By: JohnKy75
Date Posted: 07/February/2011 at 06:08
Dolph has come a long way. His in ring performances lately have been very good, and as bad as I hate to admit it, this has worked out great for Vickie G too, if they can keep Dolph pushed as a top heel until his mic skills develop then he is well on his way to staying in the main event scene

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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 07/February/2011 at 10:28
Want to have a look Dolph Ziggler career minus the spirit squad days.
 
2008 he was a big jobber real bad but he showed a lot of potential the problem was his suspension due to drugs cost him a bit and he ended up jobbing out to Batista, HHH and John Cena.
 
2009 came and this is where his push started he started off in a feud with the Great Khali and looked really strong with a couple of victories over him and got him a shot for the IC title against Rey Mysterio (really thought he should've won the belt from Rey) he lost the match to rey twice but he did have some great matches against him, then he had started his rivalry with John Morrison and again had some great matches with him then.
 
2010 started off with a mini feud with Kane going into the royal rumble which worked well for Ziggler in a way because he came off a bit better for it then his stints in the Money In the bank both at Wrestlemania and for Smackdown before finally becoming IC champ he had some great match with Daniel Brian and Kaval before losing the belt back to Kofi.
 
2011 came and Ziggler finally has a World Heavyweight title shot and while he lost but he looked great in the process.
 
Dolph Ziggler to be world heavyweight champion before Summerslam.


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Posted By: wwejim01
Date Posted: 07/February/2011 at 14:23
I still remember when he slapped Batista during there match together, back then all he did was say..."Hi, I'm Dolph Ziggler" to everyone!


Posted By: Pac-Man
Date Posted: 07/February/2011 at 19:15
Yes, the kid actually looked impressive jobbing somewhat quickly to Batista in his debut match. The more he's been used since then, the more he's proven what he's truly capable of. I believe he's been discussed as the future of Smackdown, right? Well, in that case, I think it's pretty safe to say that the future is arriving now.


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Posted By: Willy1225
Date Posted: 08/February/2011 at 01:35
Originally posted by wwejim01 wwejim01 wrote:

I still remember when he slapped Batista during there match together, back then all he did was say..."Hi, I'm Dolph Ziggler" to everyone!
 
Always found that character trait hilarious. I think one night on Raw Dolph introduced himself to like 10 people in the back


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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 08/February/2011 at 06:26

Dolph ziggler is a future world champ and who would have thought this guy was in the some cheer leading group. i forgot the name for some reason?



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Posted By: wwejim01
Date Posted: 08/February/2011 at 14:48
Spirit Squad, all they did was job to DX!


Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 11/February/2011 at 19:02
Personally, I think that Ziggler is going to have to work without Vickie to convince me that he's really a main eventer.  Not knocking his skills, he's got talent.  But right now he's overshadowed.
To me Vickie is the actual top heel on SD.  Ziggler is getting a boost by association.


Posted By: wwejim01
Date Posted: 11/February/2011 at 20:33
Originally posted by thundarr2000 thundarr2000 wrote:

Personally, I think that Ziggler is going to have to work without Vickie to convince me that he's really a main eventer.  Not knocking his skills, he's got talent.  But right now he's overshadowed.
To me Vickie is the actual top heel on SD.  Ziggler is getting a boost by association.
 
Yeah now that you mention it I think your right! Thats probably the reason why hes going after the World title, because Edge is World Champ and Vickie is his "ex wife". If he wasn't with Vickie he would probably be in the IC title scene still. You would think that they would involve Katlyn again and have Vickie cost Dolph the title against Edge just to bring more drama into the storyline.


Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 12/February/2011 at 01:01
yeah, I agree with thundarr too.  It's gonna take him not being involved with Vickie Guerrero for everyone to find it if he can go on his own.  He's not that great of talker and with him being with her, he won't get to do that too much.  


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 21/February/2011 at 13:30
This is an excellent way to play up to being storyline fired.........
 
Quote Dolph Ziggler, who was storyline fired by the returning Teddy Long on last night's SmackDown, posted a series of interesting tweets last night after the show, making a reference to "Dixie," making an "impact" and "spike" someone's ratings.

For what it's worth, Dolph's profile has been removed from the SmackDown roster page. This appears to be just Dolph really playing up the storyline. Here's what he wrote:

"Historic 600th episode of WWE Smackdown tonight on SyFy! I will address the DOLPHans after, Thanks for your support over the years!

First of all, I can't believe that I got to live my dream for this many years and actually come to do it pretty damn well! Even though I used to caddy around and actually went through a rigorous gymnastics and cheerleader training I thought we made it work! I got to make a lot of friends and a couple of enemies, but no matter what, every time I stepped through that curtain, especially these ast 2 years, I felt like a champion, I lived to go to work each day and try to steal the show like no one else could!

No matter what happens in the coming weeks and months, I appreciate the fact that my hard work and countless hours studying and learning paid off! I was in the world title picture as a legitimate threat, and appreciate that I got that chance! Most don't!

I hope this youth movement continues, and I hope its just not to build young guys up and have the mainstays dominate and not pass the torch. There is a ton of hungry young talents and they LOVE their jobs, just like I and did! Hopefully they get their chance! I hope to see zack ryder, trent barretta, curt hawkins and some others get their chance, bc they love what they do, and remind me of why I got into this business! Hopefully Wrestlemania will not be a look back into the attitude era an have all the young guys watching backstage.

I love the wrestling business, and maybe its time to take that next step into the danger zone, brazzers are u hiring??? Haha. I'm sure the door is always open, and I know I busted my ass every damn day I worked for this company, and no matter how doughy and truly. Annoying the miz is, he's obviously onto something (2,000 tries later)! Daniel bryan couldn't draw a dollar with a green crayon! I love hating on him! He got carried to one of (actually THE best match of the year) and john morrison is nothing but a pretty boy doing ballet.

I will see all of u again, SOMEWHERE! And now its time to make an impact and spike someone else's ratings! U know me, I'd rather be in Dixie. Thank you dolphans for ur support! And know I loved pissing everyone off and stealing their show! I will truly miss this more than anything ......Its only NATURAL."

It was disgraceful booking him to lose twice on the same show and then be fired.
 
He's the type of guy who needs building up not shot down.


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Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 21/February/2011 at 17:10
I love the term 'dolphans'.

Also rotf at this -



Quote Daniel bryan couldn't draw a dollar with a green crayon! I love hating on him! He got carried to one of (actually THE best match of the year) and john morrison is nothing but a pretty boy doing ballet!


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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 21/February/2011 at 19:41
TNA diss by a wwe superstar i loved that!

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Posted By: PrincessRobin
Date Posted: 22/February/2011 at 13:22
dolph aka: nicky from the spirit squad aka: chavos caddy = lol...

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Posted By: MaNonTheMoon
Date Posted: 27/February/2011 at 20:28
Hmmm. I never pegged Dolph as being an animal person. Just under a month ago he was making out with a (self-proclaimed) couger. now he's referencing working for a panda. But in all seriousness, I wonder what the 'E has planned for him in the future.


Posted By: Tragon70
Date Posted: 05/March/2011 at 19:42

Quote From Jim Ross Website Dolph Ziggler, if that is his read name, getting 'fired' on Friday Night Smackdown's 600th episode after having a cup of coffee as the World Heavyweight Champion is getting lots of play on Twitter @JRsBBQ and emails to our site. Ziggler has a definite upside, is a skilled mat wrestler and has one of the brighter futures of any athlete in WWE IMO. I don't know his long term status but I'm thinking that Ziggler is a keeper. I'm interested in seeing where this matter goes in ensuing days and weeks.

 
Now Dolph Ziggler is a guy who's been at the very bottom & has worked his way up & I agree with JR & saying he's a keeper. His World Heavyweight Championship reign is worse than Kane's because Kane at least held on to the title for a day. LOL


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 15/June/2012 at 18:09
http://www.wwe.com/videos/christian-vs-dolph-ziggler-smackdown-june-8-2012-26028389

How things can change so quickly within three days from last friday to this past monday on TV.

One moment he's losing to the secondary champion, the next moment number one contender for a better belt.

I can see Double H getting his pink Ziggles shirt ordered if he wins this sunday.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 15/June/2012 at 19:50
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

http://www.wwe.com/videos/christian-vs-dolph-ziggler-smackdown-june-8-2012-26028389

How things can change so quickly within three days from last friday to this past monday on TV.

One moment he's losing to the secondary champion, the next moment number one contender for a better belt.

I can see Double H getting his pink Ziggles shirt ordered if he wins this sunday.

absolutely guaranteed ... i have the black/blue one .. pink will be in my basket on WWE.com and will be immediately ordered if he wins on sunday


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 16/July/2012 at 05:33
YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ... now all he needs to do is cash it in

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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 16/July/2012 at 08:38
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ... now all he needs to do is cash it in

Imagine if he loses the match when he cashes it in LOL


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 16/July/2012 at 08:50
id be fucking devastated

i went crazy when i thought he was going to cash in - fuckin del rio the dick - ziggles sold the brogue kick like aboss

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Posted By: HOO-RAR
Date Posted: 16/July/2012 at 11:45
I have to really question whether Ziggler is as good as he's made out to be, or whether he's literally near the top of a depleted WWE main event talent pool. With Sheamus diluted into your generic non-badass babyface, Randy Orton becoming more bland than usual and the lack of a true monster heel due to the likes of Tensai being short-shafted and Mark Henry being injured for long periods, Dolph does seem to stand out as one of the better talents on the roster at the moment. But as much as this will enrage #Heel I'd like to address a couple of points I find holds Ziggler back. Before I do so, let me first state that I commend Zigglers ability in the ring and he's a great mat and technical wrestler with a few surprises in his arsenal to boot. His selling is probably the best in the WWE although at times he does tend to over-do it when it isn't needed, but in order to keep with consistency I suppose it's wiser to have him do that rather than whenever a big move is hit.

The main one is that he seemingly struggles to maintain heat on his own without the magnet which is Vickie Guerrero. Now Vickie alone has moved from being a good heat magnet for others to being a poor heat magnet to anybody but herself and that is self-evident in her promo-work which is more heavily focused on herself and the reactions don't appear to transfer. I know Dolph is somewhat capable of cutting a promo, but he lacks that special impact when he speaks which the likes of Punk, Orton, Sheamus (before he turned soft) and other main eventers have had:


As a result, he's just not hateable enough to make himself the top heel in the company. He needs to rectify this by using his talent and post-match potential and this is partly creative's fault for not recognising that. A few beatdowns post-match, run-ins or backstage assaults (bad ones, not a few punches and some cocky line) would make him more dislikeable. His feud with Khali where he won by countout, DQ etc was a good example of when he was making more of a character for himself and I'd to see him progress with that.

The other main problem is his lack of a real gimmick. His perfectionist and better-than-everyone personality is a good start and I credit it him for keeping that somewhat fresh, but it isn't enough to make him stand out amongst the rest because the WWE has recycled these types of gimmicks so many different times that they all carry some of the same traits and that unfortunately does nothing but hold the current gimmick down from progressing. He also doesn't seem to get into his own gimmick as much as I would like him to.

Do I see him as a world champion wrestler now? Not really at this stage. Do I see him potentially? You bet.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 30/July/2012 at 21:16
Summerslam = Ziggler Time ... ADR v Sheamus again = Boring - the only reason that is happening is so that Ziggler can cash in afterwards - this time without ADR stopping him - and get everyone talking  ... and It's about damn time #It'sNotShowingOffIfYouBackItUp

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 30/July/2012 at 21:27
Nah that's too predictable! They need to slow build Ziggler to give it that shock factor which no MITB has had since Edge the first time around. 

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 30/July/2012 at 21:30
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Nah that's too predictable! They need to slow build Ziggler to give it that shock factor which no MITB has had since Edge the first time around. 

I'd settle for him Cashing in at Mania ... anytime will do ... he deserves a title run ... his in ring work is brilliant  and we all know how good he is at taking a bump and selling it - i swear down that guy could sell crack to CM Punk


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 30/July/2012 at 23:27
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Nah that's too predictable! They need to slow build Ziggler to give it that shock factor which no MITB has had since Edge the first time around. 

I'd settle for him Cashing in at Mania ... anytime will do ... he deserves a title run ... his in ring work is brilliant  and we all know how good he is at taking a bump and selling it - i swear down that guy could sell crack to CM Punk
 
Clap nice!


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 03/August/2012 at 16:25


That pop is pretty insane in comparison to many superstars these days ....

When he cashes in it will be ten times that ... just from my living room


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 03/August/2012 at 22:52
The quicker he turns face the better though.

Do a Kennedy and say he will cash it in at Mania to make the win far more credible than a zig zag to a guy that can barely walk 


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 03/August/2012 at 23:49
a wins a win - but i would like it if h had his moment of glory at wrestlemania like .... a 5 star match with Orton or someone would be pretty epic - hes had matches in the past with Orton and they were unreal

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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 03/August/2012 at 23:56
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

a wins a win - but i would like it if h had his moment of glory at wrestlemania like .... a 5 star match with Orton or someone would be pretty epic - hes had matches in the past with Orton and they were unreal



Best sold Codebreaker of all time? 


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 04/August/2012 at 00:08
Without any doubt - he is brilliant - every move looks bad ass when its hit on ziggler - i think WWE acknowledge this aswell because at house shows theres always a segment where several guys hit their finishers on him to 

he makes the brogue kick look like the greatest move of all time


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 10/August/2012 at 19:26
True Story : I do this in the shower ...



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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 10/August/2012 at 19:31
surely you'd slip...Confused

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 10/August/2012 at 19:50
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

True Story : I do this in the shower ...



You sure you're straight LOL


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 10/August/2012 at 23:51
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

True Story : I do this in the shower ...



You sure you're straight LOL

LOL when your rinsing your hair - it just has to be done - i am not the only person in the world to do this ... believe me ... and if i am ... shame on everyone else


and yes im straight Tongue


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 11/August/2012 at 22:15
looking very good on Smackdown this week, but he still needs to get rid of Vicki.

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Posted By: xXDemon_DuckXx
Date Posted: 30/August/2012 at 13:32
Quote There has been talk of replacing Vickie Guerrero with Flair as Dolph Ziggler's mouthpiece but there's no word yet on how serious those talks are.
 
As much as I am against this, I can only imagine how awesome the communication between those 2 could possibly be.
If anything, Ziggy doesn't need a manager anymore. I'd give him an underling ala Miz/Riley.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 30/August/2012 at 16:44
Originally posted by xXDemon_DuckXx xXDemon_DuckXx wrote:

Quote There has been talk of replacing Vickie Guerrero with Flair as Dolph Ziggler's mouthpiece but there's no word yet on how serious those talks are.
 
As much as I am against this, I can only imagine how awesome the communication between those 2 could possibly be.
If anything, Ziggy doesn't need a manager anymore. I'd give him an underling ala Miz/Riley.
 
the attempt to gain heat on him by having Jericho's music play first, and then his, and then cut the promo using a Y2J catchphrase, showed me that he really does need a heat magnet right now.
 
whether that means staying with Vicki - Flair i think would be a massive mistake. if you want a guy to gain heat, why stick him with someone that the WWE fans are going to cheer, no matter what? - or, like you say, having a lackie that he bullies around - which might be better for a sink or swim run - but he really needs to do something to gain heat on his own.


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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 04/September/2012 at 21:08
I still say give Ziggler his own talking segment, like Y2J stated Ziggler is still learning the guy has to improve his mic skills and to enhance his feuds/ I've seen his work on download and i believe he should be given a shot if they gave him MITB they need to let him improve on the mic and get heat by himself. I've never seen HBK keep Sherri for as long as Dolph Ziggler if Vickie can get segments by herself then Dolph should have his own show and get rid of vickie period!
 
 
Look at the Jericho entrance closely and you can see that he rushed it. I think if wwe would stop making every heel dull and boring where.. they.. always.. talk.. like.. this. And show they have personality then maybe he would have got more heat.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 07/September/2012 at 20:53
Quote There was talk this week at the TV tapings that Dolph Ziggler may cash in his Money in the Bank title shot and win the title around the time Randy Orton returns from filming 12 Rounds: Reloaded.

This would then set up a Dolph Ziggler vs. Randy Orton feud for the title. That has been the plan for several weeks now.

Of course, nothing is confirmed as of this writing. We'll keep you posted as we hear more.


Will be a decent feud but these two have wrestled each other countless times already on tv this year, that being said the matches are always top notch and I don't mind seeing them again on some of the less important PPV's.

When Ziggler does cash in though I hope he gets more than a transitional reign like Del Rio, Punk and Edge's first cash-ins.

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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 08/September/2012 at 00:04
They need to do this. Their matches will be of a high standard and if Ziggler can do a bit on the mic the main event scene will be far more watch able then what it has been since Bryan went over to RAW. 


Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 08/September/2012 at 00:26
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Quote There was talk this week at the TV tapings that Dolph Ziggler may cash in his Money in the Bank title shot and win the title around the time Randy Orton returns from filming 12 Rounds: Reloaded.

This would then set up a Dolph Ziggler vs. Randy Orton feud for the title. That has been the plan for several weeks now.

Of course, nothing is confirmed as of this writing. We'll keep you posted as we hear more.


Will be a decent feud but these two have wrestled each other countless times already on tv this year, that being said the matches are always top notch and I don't mind seeing them again on some of the less important PPV's.

When Ziggler does cash in though I hope he gets more than a transitional reign like Del Rio, Punk and Edge's first cash-ins.
 
can't agree, for the points made in the Ziggler on Raw thread about him getting pops/heat.


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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 10/September/2012 at 13:56
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

[QUOTE]
When Ziggler does cash in though I hope he gets more than a transitional reign like Del Rio, Punk and Edge's first cash-ins.
Ziggler wishes he had those tranitional reigns. Dolph Ziggler was the shortest reigning world heavyweight champion untill big show got cashed in on.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 10/September/2012 at 18:19
Zigglers reign will.be excellent.- its been building for months now - i am expecting the show off gimmick to really take off when he wins the belt

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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 10/September/2012 at 22:45
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Zigglers reign will.be excellent.- its been building for months now - i am expecting the show off gimmick to really take off when he wins the belt

I'll be keen to hear exactly what this amazing build has been. Even Bryan looked stronger by the time TLC came around last year then what Ziggler looks now. 


Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 11/September/2012 at 09:28
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Zigglers reign will.be excellent.- its been building for months now - i am expecting the show off gimmick to really take off when he wins the belt
 
Wasn't he jobbing for the better part of this year? I'm being honest here wwe has never really treated Ziggler as a big star. If they did then he would have had ppv wins against main eventers. Hell they could have had him win against mysterio, they would have had him wrestle shawn michaels when he was around, his feud with Edge on smackdown was him just get hit with a spear multiple times where i didn't see him go over once even if he held the title FOR A DAY!
 
Fact is that Ziggler has been so poorly build up can he even be taken seriously as a world champion? The same guy that jobbed to brodus clay and getting kicked constantly be sheamus is going to be the next top heel?  


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 12/September/2012 at 00:18
Ziggler is going to be the second guy to lose when he cashes in the briefcase.
 
either that, or the match against Orton at NOC will be for the briefcase.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 13/September/2012 at 21:41
he is absolutely 100% going to be the next top heel and that will be a step closer when he beats Orton at NOC 

everyone lost to brodus clay at first ... and everyone has been kicked by sheamus

the fact is he has had excellent feuds with Orton, Punk, Jericho but everyone seems to forget about those just because he has lost a few matches 


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 14/September/2012 at 01:28
yes he has, but it's the gaps between those great feuds that is more telling.
 
if you are grooming someone for the top, and you've got them feuding with high midcard/lower upper card talent, then there should only be a couple of weeks between feuds and a pretty even transition. Ziggler hasn't had that.
 
when he hasn't been in those feuds, he has jobbed out, so yeah, it's easier to remember that, outside of an actual feud, all Ziggler seems to be right now is an enhancement talent.


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 14/September/2012 at 06:30
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:



the fact is he has had excellent feuds with Orton, Punk, Jericho but everyone seems to forget about those just because he has lost a few matches 

Orton- the feud hasn't done much at all yet too early to say its helped or hurt Ziggler

Punk- Are you referring to the Punk vs Johnny Ace feud at the Royal Rumble?

Jericho- This feud didn't really help me with the entire WWE. Yeah he fired him but he still lost the PPV match (which I explained was wrong ages ago) and got bitched out by Jericho after the match. Based on the crowd's reaction the week later that feud hasn't done a whole lot.




Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 14/September/2012 at 11:53
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

he is absolutely 100% going to be the next top heel and that will be a step closer when he beats Orton at NOC 

the fact is he has had excellent feuds with Orton, Punk, Jericho but everyone seems to forget about those just because he has lost a few matches 
Feuds? What feuds has he had with Randy Orton?
 
Oh you mean that one where he got a win over him because Wade Barrett interfered because Barrett and Orton where feuding last year?
 
Punk and Ziggler had matches not a feud. His match at the Rumble was all about if Johnny ace was going to screw Punk Ziggler had no interaction with Punk on the mic at all.
 
Jericho vs Ziggler: The feud was rushed of course because Jericho was leaving but 2 promo segments, and having him lose against Jericho when ziggler has NEVER won a ppv match against a main eventer only to "retire" him on a random show on raw which didn't help him at all.
 
Ziggler being a top heel at all is laughable. Vickie is more of a top heel then Ziggler will ever be. Him getting a win over Orton will give him momentum as he'll FINALLY get a ppv win over a MAIN EVENTER. I honestly believe this Money In The Bank briefcase is DO or DIE for ziggler as a main eventer.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 14/September/2012 at 15:29
Originally posted by mikej690 mikej690 wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

he is absolutely 100% going to be the next top heel and that will be a step closer when he beats Orton at NOC 

the fact is he has had excellent feuds with Orton, Punk, Jericho but everyone seems to forget about those just because he has lost a few matches 
Feuds? What feuds has he had with Randy Orton?
 
Oh you mean that one where he got a win over him because Wade Barrett interfered because Barrett and Orton where feuding last year?
 
Punk and Ziggler had matches not a feud. His match at the Rumble was all about if Johnny ace was going to screw Punk Ziggler had no interaction with Punk on the mic at all.
 
Jericho vs Ziggler: The feud was rushed of course because Jericho was leaving but 2 promo segments, and having him lose against Jericho when ziggler has NEVER won a ppv match against a main eventer only to "retire" him on a random show on raw which didn't help him at all.
 
Ziggler being a top heel at all is laughable. Vickie is more of a top heel then Ziggler will ever be. Him getting a win over Orton will give him momentum as he'll FINALLY get a ppv win over a MAIN EVENTER. I honestly believe this Money In The Bank briefcase is DO or DIE for ziggler as a main eventer.

they had a series of excellent matches in 2011 - you should probably watch them

i keep telling everyone on here - Vickie gets more HEAT than any one on the roster could ever dream of - so what is your point - heel punk, heel rock, heel anyone would not get as much heat as Vickie


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 14/September/2012 at 15:42
but heel Punk, heel Rock and heel anyone are not with Vicki, Ziggler is, and it has now become the only way he seems to get heat.

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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 17/September/2012 at 08:17
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by mikej690 mikej690 wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

he is absolutely 100% going to be the next top heel and that will be a step closer when he beats Orton at NOC 

the fact is he has had excellent feuds with Orton, Punk, Jericho but everyone seems to forget about those just because he has lost a few matches 
Feuds? What feuds has he had with Randy Orton?
 
Oh you mean that one where he got a win over him because Wade Barrett interfered because Barrett and Orton where feuding last year?
 
Punk and Ziggler had matches not a feud. His match at the Rumble was all about if Johnny ace was going to screw Punk Ziggler had no interaction with Punk on the mic at all.
 
Jericho vs Ziggler: The feud was rushed of course because Jericho was leaving but 2 promo segments, and having him lose against Jericho when ziggler has NEVER won a ppv match against a main eventer only to "retire" him on a random show on raw which didn't help him at all.
 
Ziggler being a top heel at all is laughable. Vickie is more of a top heel then Ziggler will ever be. Him getting a win over Orton will give him momentum as he'll FINALLY get a ppv win over a MAIN EVENTER. I honestly believe this Money In The Bank briefcase is DO or DIE for ziggler as a main eventer.

they had a series of excellent matches in 2011 - you should probably watch them

i keep telling everyone on here - Vickie gets more HEAT than any one on the roster could ever dream of - so what is your point - heel punk, heel rock, heel anyone would not get as much heat as Vickie
So you argeed with me that Ziggler basically has had zero feuds invovling storylines, characther development, all he did was have good matches.. Yeah i was right.
 
Vickie has Xpac heat meaning they want her to go away. While Ziggler is just there? How can he be the top heel if he's never getting heat on his own?


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 17/September/2012 at 08:38
His match with Orton at Night of Champions once again showed he's great in the ring. But looking at this thread, not many people have been disputing that.

He gets the smark reactions that Bryan was getting when he was just as boring character wise. Ziggler now needs to progress to the level where he captivates the entire WWE audience.

Agree with what Mike said completely




Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 17/September/2012 at 18:36
it was a travesty that he lost to Orton - although Orton will be filming soon maybe they can have Ziggler take him out similar to what he did with Y2J but way way more aggresively

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 17/September/2012 at 18:41
on Smackdown....

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 17/September/2012 at 18:54
on anywhere

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Posted By: ozwwefan
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 03:40

           Don't be upset with Zigg's loss to Orton, Heel. Cena's about the only person on the roster who could get a clean win against Orton atm anyway - Shaemus came close but was 'cheated' out of the wins while he had Orton pinned and out for the count lol.

           Every Orton v Ziggler match this year has been magic, and working a programme with WWE's #2 talent is a huge rub for Ziggs. As my sig shows, Orton will rip into anyone who is crap in ring or unsafe to work with - and he has none of these issues with Ziggler and seems to enjoy working with him. It's ME preparation.
 
           I really like how WWE is stringing out Ziggs MITB cash in. To me there's no doubt that Ziggs is going to get a WHC title run, WWE is just making him work for it and tussling with the companys #2 is a good way to go.    


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 03:41
Didn't ADR make him submit pretty cleanly on Smackdown three weeks ago? 


Posted By: ozwwefan
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 03:46

'pretty' cleanly LOL.

             Did he? I got no idea Mouz, my wrestling viewing time has been practically zero over the past month. Cry
 
             Watched the PPV though, and thought Orton vs Ziggs was the best match on the card.


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 04:39
Just watched it on Youtube. It was as clean as you like. He simply countered the RKO into the Armbar and Orton cleanly tapped out. 


Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 09:20
Originally posted by ozwwefan ozwwefan wrote:

<FONT style=": #000000">           Don't be upset with Zigg's loss to Orton, Heel. Cena's about the only person on the roster who could get a clean win against Orton atm anyway - Shaemus came close but was 'cheated' out of the wins while he had Orton pinned and out for the count lol.


           Every Orton v Ziggler match this year has been magic, and working a programme with WWE's #2 talent is a huge rub for Ziggs. As my sig shows, Orton will rip into anyone who is crap in ring or unsafe to work with - and he has none of these issues with Ziggler and seems to enjoy working with him. It's ME preparation.

 

           I really like how WWE is stringing out Ziggs MITB cash in. To me there's no doubt that Ziggs is going to get a WHC title run, WWE is just making him work for it and tussling with the companys #2 is a good way to go.    


He will definitely cash.in at HIAC

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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 14:57
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

it was a travesty that he lost to Orton - although Orton will be filming soon maybe they can have Ziggler take him out similar to what he did with Y2J but way way more aggresively
So he can't take out Orton on a ppv but he'll take him out on a random RAW or smackdown? YAY! His ppv track record sucks!
 
He hasn't won a ppv since MITB and besides WM that's all he's won.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 18:07
if he was going to have taken Orton out anywhere, it would have been on last night's Raw, for Orton's actions with the fans at NOC, instead, he had a match with Santino.
 
main event material indeed...


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 18/September/2012 at 22:30
Originally posted by mikej690 mikej690 wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

it was a travesty that he lost to Orton - although Orton will be filming soon maybe they can have Ziggler take him out similar to what he did with Y2J but way way more aggresively
So he can't take out Orton on a ppv but he'll take him out on a random RAW or smackdown? YAY! His ppv track record sucks!
 
He hasn't won a ppv since MITB and besides WM that's all he's won.

Na but he should just cash in the briefcase and win the title at the next PPV (sarcasm). 


Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 19/September/2012 at 09:18
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

if he was going to have taken Orton out anywhere, it would have been on last night's Raw, for Orton's actions with the fans at NOC, instead, he had a match with Santino.
 
main event material indeed...
Not just a match but he needed Vickie to cheat in order to win the match? While she didn't do shit to help him get the win at NOC?

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 19/September/2012 at 18:37
Originally posted by mikej690 mikej690 wrote:

Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

if he was going to have taken Orton out anywhere, it would have been on last night's Raw, for Orton's actions with the fans at NOC, instead, he had a match with Santino.
 
main event material indeed...
Not just a match but he needed Vickie to cheat in order to win the match? While she didn't do shit to help him get the win at NOC?
 
yeah, it really doesn't look good, especially since Orton got the upper hand over Ziggler on pretty much every occasion leading into NOC.
 
have to question why they keep Vicki with Ziggler when she does none of the heel manager actions to help him win in the big matches.  only problem is, because of how much heat she gets, if they do split them up, it might either turn Ziggler face, if he's made out to be sympathetic, or - more likely - he'll come out to the same reaction Drew McIntyre gets now.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 20/September/2012 at 21:57
its funny i dont see any of the critisim of bryan - he went from the laughing stock of a whc match at WM to performing in the tag team division that no one has cared about for about ten years - yet Ziggler facing Santino reduces his main event credibility GTFO

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 20/September/2012 at 22:35
Bryan just seems to have something about him that just makes you forget the bad stuff in the past and can seemingly rescue any angle he's put in now.
 
Ziggler hasn't got that, or if he has, just hasn't shown it yet.
 
maybe he'll prove that he has what Bryan does when he cashes in, as after all, Bryan was a constant jobber at that time, and then became a fairly big deal, but i just don't see Ziggler having that.


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Posted By: NFaMouZ
Date Posted: 21/September/2012 at 04:12
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

its funny i dont see any of the critisim of bryan - he went from the laughing stock of a whc match at WM to performing in the tag team division that no one has cared about for about ten years - yet Ziggler facing Santino reduces his main event credibility GTFO

Bryan was given the belt when Henry got injured, they couldn't afford to put it on Big Show and management weren't happy with Orton. Bryan was basically who was left. I've never been a fan of how they put the belt of him

Nobody is saying Bryan is a main eventer at the moment but the fact is he is over as anything at the moment and is getting more credibility with the fans in a storyline with tag belts that have meant nothing for 10 years (like you say) then Ziggler who has had like you say "excellent feuds" with the likes of Punk, Jericho and Orton in 2012. 

But nah yeah lets have Ziggler cash it the briefcase at the Next PPV Thumbs Up (sarcasm)



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