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Topic: WWE Womens Division.
Posted By: Fletch
Subject: WWE Womens Division.
Date Posted: 21/February/2009 at 15:15
Its obvious that the Raw womens title is considered the premier womens title in WWE, you only have to look at the Diva's title belt to think its a joke and then you see the womens roster on SD and you know its a joke.

WWE have always liked having women wrestlers that are there purely as eye candy and that will probably never change, even in the PG rated era.
But WWE now has a very strong womens division when you look at the entire roster, much stronger than TNA's once great knockouts divsion.

So what they should do is put all the women who can wrestle on Raw and put all the 'Divas' so to speak on SD.
With Gail Kim set to debut on SD, in the draft i would trade her for Candice and send Layla over to SD as well.
Kelly Kelly seems to be working hard to become a competent wrestler so i would leave her on the Raw roster.

So the rosters would look something like this:

Raw:

Beth Phoenix.
Mickie James.
Gail Kim.
Melina.
Kelly Kelly.
Jillian.

ECW:

Katie Lea.
Natayla.
(I would have these two compete mainly on the Raw roster even though they are officially ECW).

Smackdown:

Michelle Mccool.
Maryse.
Maria.
Layla.
Candice Michelle.
Eve.



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Posted By: Mr Member
Date Posted: 21/February/2009 at 21:34
The WWE women's division fluctuates all the time. It'll be good for a couple years, then it'll suck, then it'll be good again. It's almost irritating that Vince loses interest in this division all the time. lol I think the current roster is pretty good, but Raw is the premier Women's division.

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Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 21/February/2009 at 22:07
yes, that's true.  The women's division will be good for a while then it just suddenly dies down. With as wishy washy as the WWE is with their women's division, TNA had a goldmine sitting in their pockets with theirs and they have completely ruined it. 

I like fletch's suggestions for who should be on each show.  I know Kelly has made improvements but I'd give her up to play valet/sometimes wrestler for Natalya who I'm sure would rather be wrestling than playing valet even to her own boyfriend.  Natalya is so good and I just can't believe how they use her. 


Posted By: bigfloridapimp
Date Posted: 21/February/2009 at 22:26
Fletch kudos on being the first person to do something about this! I agree with 99% of ever thing you just said. When the Cruiserweight's where first scraped and Diva's division was hinted I was skeptical based solely on who was on the roster, and who was being push. I saw Michelle being presented as the number 1 Diva on SD and I saw Natalya and Victoria being pushed into the Abyss of jobber town. So that worried me first. Then the Divas title is revealed and it's pink, blue, and Silver? WTF!?! I don't know if it's just me but I am sure that what this division is doing now could have been done with out a title. Maryse has not put her title up, let alone wrestled at all since she won. I just really hate the Divas division, I love looking at them but it's just so gross to see them compete for a title that is meaningless. So if I had it my way heres the rosters for Raw, and SD... oh yea and WWE-ECW.
P.S that 1% I will never agree on is Kelly Kelly. Or No talent No Talent is her pet name. She's U.G.L.Y and she is shyt on the mic and in the ring. Yes she is athletic and can do cool stuff in the ring but it comes from working a pole. So, hated her on WWE-ECW when she did the Knox thing. Hate her now that she's getting a push on Raw

RAW

Melina-C
Beth Phoenix
Mickie James
Natalya
Katie Lea
Michelle McCool
Gail Kim

SD

Layla-C
Maryse
Maria
Candice
Kelly Kelly
Tiffany

WWE-ECW

Eve
Jillian
Bella Twins



Just because Candice is on SD doesn't mean I don't think she can wrestle. I just see that she has one of the worst cases of Ring Rust I have ever see. Pre injury she was pretty good. Now she botches moves and looks clueless. Maybe it's being timid.... Maybe she doesn't want to get injured again. But because I like her I will got ring rust because all you got to do is book her for more matches.



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Posted By: Wesker's Shadow
Date Posted: 22/February/2009 at 02:18
I agree with fletch's choices. Raw should be the main division for all the actual female wrestlers and SD could be a training ground of sorts.
 
It just pisses me off seeing actual talent being wasted with the likes Nattie and Katie Lea so that bimbos like the Bella Twins and McCrap get pushed.


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Posted By: Tragon70
Date Posted: 22/February/2009 at 23:19
Raw has a dominating Womens squad and it's because most of them can wrestle

Look at Smackdown divas had a bad roster that's why they never had a title until the Crusierweight title was dropped for some odd F'n reason just so WWE can turn around and make a Diva's Championship which was very pointless


Posted By: Mr Member
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 01:00
I'd like to see Mickie James and Natalya team up and destroy random Divas every week. That'd be dope!

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Posted By: Tragon70
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 01:05
2 see Natalya wrestle would be a shock because I don't even know what she does anymore or where she is ... She had a bunch of hype around her and then came 2 the WWE wrestled a few people and then fell of the face of the earth
 


Posted By: Steven Nyte
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 01:48
Nattie is on ECW right now as the Manager/Valet of her real life boyfriend TJ "Tyson Kidd" Wilson. I think she will lock up with Katie Lea on ECW in the near future, which is a match I am definately looking forward to

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Posted By: Mr Member
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 21:40
Gail Kim to Smackdown! is a move that I likey very much! She'll help that lot improve just by showing up to the arena! lol

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 21:53
* Sorry Fletch but i'm going to have to disagree with you 100% LOL
 
* All the good women on one roster would mean certain good ones would hardly ever get close to the belt, whilst someone not half as good might be champion on another brand.
 
* Another plus to having the rosters evenly split is so the good half can teach the bad half to improve. I mean what's a good wrestler going to learn off another good wrestler? Not as much as a shit one would.
 
* The last point would be that those on the good roster would know about it so might get complacent. The ones on the shit roster will realise it and might lose their drive for being rated so lowly.
 
I like how the rosters are currently Smile


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Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 22:54
well, even when the good ones are placed on the rosters with the shitty ones--see the SmackDown divas diva for evidence---they don't get used.  Look at Natalya and Victoria before she retired for evidence of that also.

Katie Lea and Natalya are stuck on ECW where none of those ditzsy ones that need teaching are.  Both of these ladies could teach as well as be big parts of the ladies division.  ECW is a good "training" ground but there are no women on there but two that already know what they are doing while in the ring. Send clods like Maria, Eve, Candice and even Michelle over to ECW to get some more teachings taught to them.


Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 23/February/2009 at 23:16
ECW is the training brand so it would make far more sense to have the likes of Eve, Maria, Layla and Kelly Kelly on the brand.

Katie Lea and Nattie are accomplished workers so having them on ECW makes no sense.

Admin does make some valid points in his post but i dont think there are enough decent workers among the women to make up two successfull rosters, WWE will always employ women for their looks alone, these women will often never become good wrestlers, Stacey Kibler and Tori Wilson for example were always horrible workers.

That is why i would suggest WWE have one serious womens division featuring decent action from the girls who can actually work.

The alternative is WWE unify womens titles and just make the womens title exclusive to one brand again or exclusive to all three brands, the brand extension is far more relaxed these days anyway with talent crossing over almost every week.


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Posted By: Mr Member
Date Posted: 25/February/2009 at 16:38
I'd like to see WWE put some signifigance back on the Women's Division. There are some pretty good wrestlers in the Women's Division. It's just a shame that this Division doesn't get the respect it deserves. When you have Mickie James, Katie Lea, Natalya Neidhart, and Melina on the roster, that's a pretty solid Division. Yes, Michelle, Maria, Kelly Kelly, and the others need help. But, I believe that Michelle is closest to being a solid wrestler. Her style is pretty brutal what with the hard clotheslines, kicks, and slams mixed with the submission moves she uses. She could be amazing with a little bit more training and experience.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 26/April/2017 at 15:06
Right time for a long overdue bump because the women's division is overated. Not saying it's not alright but after the years of Kelly Kelly, Aksana, Kaitlyn etc it's bound to look good, so here's a few views.......

Charlotte: Overated because of her dad. Stole too much of his gimmick instead of being her own person.

Sasha: Too small in height and build to be taken seriously as a 'boss'. Don't like her chavvy persona.

Bayley: Average mic skills, average ring skills and don't like her cheesy gimmick.

Alicia Fox: Never been any good and should have been let go years ago.

Paige: Ruining her career because she's got daddy issues.

Nattie: Don't mind her as a steady hand type who has her place.

Becky Lynch: One of the best of the bunch. Gimmick, mic skills and ring ability all work for her.

Mickie James: Great to have her back and she's not hogging the spotlight.

Nix Jax: Not bad in her female Braun role, but still parts of her that's green.

Naomi: Annoying dance gimmick. I don't feel the glow.

Tamina Snuka: Much like Alicia she's never been good and should have been let go years ago. Family ties probably keep her there.

Carmella: Another chavvy gimmick like Sasha and yet to see the fuss about her in ring ability.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 26/April/2017 at 17:14
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Right time for a long overdue bump because the women's division is overated. Not saying it's not alright but after the years of Kelly Kelly, Aksana, Kaitlyn etc it's bound to look good, so here's a few views.......

Charlotte: Overated because of her dad. Stole too much of his gimmick instead of being her own person.

Sasha: Too small in height and build to be taken seriously as a 'boss'. Don't like her chavvy persona.

Bayley: Average mic skills, average ring skills and don't like her cheesy gimmick.

Alicia Fox: Never been any good and should have been let go years ago.

Paige: Ruining her career because she's got daddy issues.

Nattie: Don't mind her as a steady hand type who has her place.

Becky Lynch: One of the best of the bunch. Gimmick, mic skills and ring ability all work for her.

Mickie James: Great to have her back and she's not hogging the spotlight.

Nix Jax: Not bad in her female Braun role, but still parts of her that's green.

Naomi: Annoying dance gimmick. I don't feel the glow.

Tamina Snuka: Much like Alicia she's never been good and should have been let go years ago. Family ties probably keep her there.

Carmella: Another chavvy gimmick like Sasha and yet to see the fuss about her in ring ability.


Agree about some - Naiomi is average in the ring and botch prone. The glow in the dark entrance is cool but after a while the dancing starts to get irritating as does her happy smiley character.

Carmella is still green and not great in the ring, she has personality though and is ok as a valet. Personally I'd put her back with Enzo and Cass. Her relationship with Ellsworth is dumb.

As you say Nattie is a decent veteran, a good hand, same goes for Mickie.

Nia Jax is constantly improving and I think in time will be the top star of the Women's division.


Such a shame about Paige, great talent could have become the face of WWE ladies wrestling but happy to throw all that away for a douchebag old enough to be her Dad.

Becky is great, charismatic, likeable and a great worker, plays the sympathetic face to perfection but would be interested to see her work as a heel.

Bayley I don't rate, average overrated ring skills, her constant droning on about how she always dreamed of doing this and the family friendly image is irritating, I normally skip through her promos. I get that she's a marketing dream because the kids like her, she's just not to my taste.

The two I strongly disagree with Admin about are:

Charlotte, great in the ring, she's come a long way from her early NXT days when she was green, looks like she belongs now and she's a great heel character too, best all round female performer on the roster. Plus the Flair mannerisms are fairly subtle, the robe wearing is more of a tribute.

Sasha Banks is also a great all rounder, not quite as smooth on the mic as Charlotte but still solid. She a natural heel though and doesn't suit the babyface role.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 26/April/2017 at 22:11
I do think that some of the women are getting a hard deal.

Charlotte is most definitely the best of the bunch. Whilst I thought she was possibly a bit behind her peers down in NXT, since coming to the main roster she has by far and away blown the other three out of the water.

Becky and Sasha haven't been too bad, but I do think Sasha has regressed a little, either that or the others have improved and she hasn't.

Bayley has had plain shit booking since her call up. They've completed cocked up what worked in NXT, when they should have kept it all.

Alexa has impressed me too, she's still got a lot to learn but is getting there, and is getting there quickly. Carmella has a chance of doing something but she needs a lot more seasoning yet.

I'm not too sure if Nia will make it long term, again that's not her fault it's down to the booking, but i'll give her a chance.

Emma needs a proper run with the evil Emma stuff on the main roster, Natalya is a very steady hand and so is Micky.

The rest I don't really have time for to be honest. Naomi does has a brightside but she just doesn't standout for me, and the rest just yeah, less said the better.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 27/April/2017 at 15:00
Charlotte and Alexa Bliss and Becky Lynch are the only ones that are better off on the main roster. Everyone else has not made any improvement or have dropped a step or two.

Sasha and Bayley were two of the most over women I've ever seen when they were down in NXT. Bayley was being talked about like she would be the next John Cena in that she was aimed directly at children, and was massively over, but she was also over with men because she was a sweet babyface girl next door type and not a supermodel, and on top of it all she was the best technician of the bunch. Seems the main roster knows nothing of building a good babyface. Bayley and Sami Zayn were untouchable babyface so over it was astounding, now look at them.

Sasha on the other hand was a horrifically bitchy heel that despite her size made up for it with her Mob Boss attitude. The problem is that she was neutered spayed by Stephanie McMahon when the two met and Stephanie took her gimmick as The Boss away. It should have never been said by Stephanie unless Sasha was going to finish it by getting into the ring with Stephanie and beat her ass.

Emma never found her groove on the main roster because her gimmicks just haven't been made for wwes apathetic audiences. Emma is easily top 10 on the roster but without a good gimmick she is going to fail. Evil Emma as we see her now is her last chance.

Charlotte is about to fail as a babyface on Smackdown and the results of that will be disastrous for the whole women's division. Unlike most sheep, I don't have faith in Smackdown creative and unless they pull the plug on Charlottes face turn or unless they do something pretty drastic Charlotte will fail as a sympathetic babyface.

Alexa Bliss so far seems to be a bullet proof bitch. But I feel she could go the same way as Charlotte if she were flipped baby.

Nia Jax I just don't care for one way or another.

Paige was a bit over rated, but still very good, and I always liked her personality from having watched total divas, but she has literally fucked it all away now.

And speaking of over rated, Naomi makes me roll my eyes every time I hear about how great an athlete she is. So what? She has bad psychology, average at best mat skills a boring personality, and a raver dance entrance that would make Jeff Hardy jealous. So what?

Becky however is brilliant on the mic and is just waiting to break a glass ceiling with a promo that puts her up there with the A-class men on the mic (the HBKs, Flairs, HHHs of the wwe, but not the S-class guys like The Rock, Hogan, Macho Man, Austin, Y2J, etc.) She is very good on the mat, has had a pretty good run, but seems to be floundering now. I am assuming she will work with Charlotte once Charlotte is babyface in full and they will be the Sasha and Bayley of Smackdown.

Mickie is old.

Natty is coasting. Probably the best techically sound wrestler in all of the wwe man or woman, but her character is lame, her mic skills are serviceable, and she doesn't really seem to be trying. She is like the Randy Orton of the women's division.

For Christ's sake put Carmella back with Cass and Enzo and let Enzo and Carmella have that old chemistry of Enzo flirting and Carmella rebuffing.

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Posted By: Benscast
Date Posted: 27/April/2017 at 20:33
There is going to be a large influx of women talent coming soon for the women's summer tournament.

Britt Baker is back at NXT, and I think she's in it. I think they are going after Tessa Blanchiard as well.

Britt's dating Adam Cole and Tessa is with Richochette. 


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 07/February/2018 at 13:39
Quote Mickie James vs. Sonya Deville: Absolution is at ringside with Sonya. Mickie starts off strong, but Sonya shuts her down with strikes. Mandy Rose gets on the apron, and the distraction leads to Sonya slamming Mickie down off the top rope. Sonjya follows up with kicks on Mickie in the ring, and drops her for a two count. More knee strikes from Sonya, but Mickie fights up to her feet and hits a rollup on Sonjya for the three count out of nowhere.

Winner: Mickie James

- After the match, Absolution starts beating down Mickie. Alexa runs down and pulls Mickie out of the ring for the save. Mickie and the announcers are all confused as to why Alexa saved Mickie.

Mickie for once was made to look strong, in getting a win without even needing to do her finisher.
 
Sonya looks to be getting (slowly) better in the ring and losing to a multi time womens champion won't harm her.
 
Alexa coming down at the end to help Mickie, is intriguing as to where it will lead with all their prior history.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 11:00
With the women’s revolution in full swing it’s had me thinking would WWE be better served having one division for the ladies rather than two brands?

They could unify the titles and allow the women to work both Raw and Smackdown, this would make for less repetitive matches and more fresh scenarios, plus it would just give the division a bit more status.

For me there is not really enough depth to run two divisions successfully. I would like a merger to happen.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 12:39
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

With the women’s revolution in full swing it’s had me thinking would WWE be better served having one division for the ladies rather than two brands?

They could unify the titles and allow the women to work both Raw and Smackdown, this would make for less repetitive matches and more fresh scenarios, plus it would just give the division a bit more status.

For me there is not really enough depth to run two divisions successfully. I would like a merger to happen.

One brand for the women means one women's segment a week instead of two minimum.

One title for both brands means that both segments are going to feature some combination of Sasha Banks, Alexa Bliss and Charlotte week in and week out.

There's plenty of depth to run two divisions. Consider Elimination Chamber last year, where three feuds were running with the women at the same time, all for different reasons, with only seven women total on the roster.

The problem with the women's division isn't lack of talent, it's lack of exposure. Because they only have a small number of recognisable stars (though still the biggest number in history) they don't want to push people who don't have that drawing power. They don't want to expose an inferior product, essentially. It has to be the best that they can offer.

Both divisions will be in double figures once we reach the next shake up. NXT is running over with female talent. There's too much for two brands, not too little.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 14:26
The women are pushing harder and harder for tag titles and an "intercontinental level" belt. There is not enough for that.

I think they are fine maybe how they are going now, but would benefit by getting their own WWE Network show. Unlike 205 Live! I know I would tune in to see that. I've yet to see a full episode of 205 Live. And between all the tournaments WWE has hosted for the network I enjoyed the women's the most.

If they went the route of hosting 2 tournaments with new and current WWE stars for both titles as the kickoff of a new 1 hour show, I would definitely want to see all that.

The problem however is that WWE hasn't shown the cruiserweight division can survive the inclusion of their own show and Monday Night Raw appearances. Their appearances on raw are terrible, and if that happened to the women it would be a big step backwards.

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Posted By: LennyComa
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 15:17
If WWE want to expand the womens division to include Women belts they would have to pretty much take all of the best talent from Shimmer, Ice Ribbon, EVE and Shine. They would then have more than enough to support a tag division and a second Title

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 16:10
On current numbers there is not enough depth in either brand roster to introduce any more women’s titles, for tag belts and any mid-level titles to exist there would need to be a merger of the two rosters or a separate Network show for the women.

Each roster currently has around ten ladies each at best, they could probably bump that a little with some NXT graduations but I still don’t think it would be enough. One title per brand is enough. TNA introduced women’s tag belts when they had barely any women on the roster and unsurprisingly it was a complete failure.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 16:34
The women aren't pushing for it, they're just not disagreeing with all of the fans who are pushing for it. There's a difference. There are plenty of male wrestlers who genuinely want the US or IC titles because of the prestige of it. Who wants their favourite to have the secondary women's title? It's a demotion to a level that doesn't even exist yet.

Tag titles have potential but you'd need two sets, and WWE struggle to justify two sets even in their men's divisions.

I've spoken before about the likelihood of a network show for the women; I've had a Twitter poll up on it for about a day and a half now. That's still an idea that they're playing with and I find it the most likely plan for the future. 


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 18:35
Quote The women aren't pushing for it, they're just not disagreeing with all of the fans who are pushing for it. There's a difference.

The Bellas have gone on record multiple times saying they specifically want the tag belts.

Sasha has gone on record saying she wants the tag and intercontinental level belts.

Bayley has gone on record saying she wants the tag belts.

Lita has gone on record saying the division should have tag belts.

Paige has gone on record saying she wants tag belts and a mid level belt.

If that's not pushing for it, then AJ Lee wasn't pushing for a women's revolution on Twitter. Nor were the Bellas, nor was Natty.

Quote Who wants their favourite to have the secondary women's title? It's a demotion to a level that doesn't even exist yet.

There already IS a secondary women's title. It's called the Smackdown Women's Championship. The B title from the B-Show. Created specifically for Smackdown because the pre-existing Women's Championship wasn't leaving Raw.

If you want to split things by Raw/Smackdown brands, then give the women's championship to Raw, and the mid-level belt & and tag belts both to smackdown. It wouldn't be too much different than what we see today. Only now WWE would be acknowledging what we already know, that the smackdown women's championship isn't as meaningful as the Raw title that has the history going back decades.

Even better, have the Raw & Smackdown women's champions get into a feud as to which title is more meaningful and build the feud towards a match where the winner's title is renamed to be the Unified Women's Championship, and the loser's title is renamed to *insert creative name here* Championship. That way you get the fans feeling like the Smackdown women's championship got screwed and arguing that it's still more prestigious than the Raw women's championship. And when it gets treated like the main singles title on Smackdown then so much the better. That's practically win/win.

Quote Tag titles have potential but you'd need two sets, and WWE struggle to justify two sets even in their men's divisions.

Hence the reason for needing their own show, to unify the divisions on the network. Even if the women stay on either Raw or Smackdown they can compete against each other on their own show. These women can still be Raw or Smackdown exclusive talent for TV, but ONLY on the WWE network you get to see them mix. It's a sales pitch for the network at the same time.

Moreover after call-ups, if NXT's women's roster gets decimated the same way it did during the brand extension draft, the main roster women's division could be a whole lot bigger. If you leave 2 top women down in NXT with a bunch of noobs so that there's only Ember Moon, Candice LeRae, Nooph, and the newest signings yet to debut, and the move the rest to the main roster, then you can add in Shayna Baszler, Kairi Sane, Lacey Evans, Bianca Belair, and Nikki Cross who can if needed still compete in NXT for a short time like so many other women who debut on the main roster before fully transitioning away from NXT especially since it's very possible this show gets filmed in the NXT arena.

And it's not just those women I named that could get called up, but Peyton Royce & Billie Kay would be the perfect inaugural Women's Tag Team Champions. Put together Liv Morgan and Sara Logan, Mandy Rose & Sonja Deville, Nia Jax & Tamina Snuka, as well as some supplemental teams that are only temporary like say Bayley & Sasha (who can be ear marked for a split and feud) and a part-time team like the Bella twins, and you've got a small but viable division to build upon. One that is currently bigger than Raw's tag division, which is currently The Bar, and ... hmmm... Do Seth Rollins & Jason Jordan ACTUALLY count??? I don't think they do. I don't even know who else is in the Raw tag division. Hell, I don't even know that Smackdown has 6 tag teams in it.

Quote I've spoken before about the likelihood of a network show for the women; I've had a Twitter poll up on it for about a day and a half now. That's still an idea that they're playing with and I find it the most likely plan for the future.

So there it is. If they do get their own show. They don't need to unify the divisions on Raw or Smackdown, they can keep them in place, but have them all perform together on their own network exclusive show. 

That said, I can't say it would be good. I still have the misgivings about how the Cruiserweight division is being treated, and I definitely think the women's division shouldn't take that kind of a step back. But it COULD be good, too. Just like my argument with the Royal Rumble when people said there wasn't enough talent to be able to have 30 women, and I said that they did. They COULD do this kind of show, they could add the mid-card title and the tag titles, and they could even keep the brand extension intact.

None of that means they SHOULD. That's whole different discussion than the point I'm arguing. I'm only arguing that they could and it would work on paper, how it could work week in week out for months and years on end is a complete unknown to me.



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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 19:55
AJ Lee wasn't asked a question by someone about whether or not she felt women were being paid fairly compared to men in WWE. She came out and said it of her own volition. Are all of the other people you named equally as forthright or were they asked a question during a media interview and responded with public opinion?

Smackdown is not a secondary title. The Raw women's championship isn't even the same as the Divas championship; they changed the name so that they could escape all of that unwanted Divas history and they'll fight to the death with anyone who tries to argue that. Titles fluctuate in importance anyway. For example, during the time of Mahal, the WWE championship would have been secondary to the Universal in all except for history using your system there. Titles are given importance by the names attached to them and the names attached to them historically. Charlotte Flair is a bigger name than Alexa Bliss and Bliss having not defended or even been on the show so often really puts the red brand at a disadvantage in comparison recently. The blue brand also won in that match at Survivor Series to help establish parity. It's not an inferior title. 

I think I mentioned on my first day here about the concept of a women's only show. It's something I personally support. If they did that then I could definitely see tag titles happening and maybe, two or three years from now, a secondary title. Can't see it right now though. The failings of 205 Live are on the shoulders of anything they want to try afterwards. 


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 20:15
Quote Are all of the other people you named equally as forthright or were they asked a question during a media interview and responded with public opinion?

Maybe not all of them, but close. The Bellas have been talking about it since 2012 quite openly because obviously they want to be a tag team together, and I'd have to go back and do my homework because I admittedly don't know 100% that they weren't asked, but I strongly suspect they volunteered at least the very first time if not most times since. 

Sasha and Bayley both volunteered the information when they were on the episode of The Steve Austin show that was published a few weeks back.

Lita I think was prompted.

The others I don't know one way or the other. 

Quote Smackdown is not a secondary title.
Sure it is, for this very reason:

Quote The Raw women's championship isn't even the same as the Divas championship; they changed the name so that they could escape all of that unwanted Divas history and they'll fight to the death with anyone who tries to argue that.

When you look in the history books the Raw Women's Championship, previously the Women's Championship, previously the Diva's Championship, previously the WWE Women's Championship, previously the WWF Women's Champion, etc. goes clear back to Fabulous Moolah in the record books. That title is not the secondary title.

Despite how much WWE wants to argue the point there is no such thing as a co-main. The last event on the PPV is the main event, the event that came on before is not a co-main. The Big Gold Belt was not the most prestigious title in the WWE, the WWE Championship is and the same holds true for the Raw Women's Championship as compared to the Smackdown title. WWE can argue till they're blue in the face, but nothing will change the fact that when it comes down to a decision of which one stays and which one goes the one with all the history in the WWE is the one that stays and the other goes. That means it's less important by WWE's own admission. You simply can not argue that. The very best you can say is that Smackdown women's title is title 1b but Raw's is 1a.

Regardless, we're arguing semantics here. There's 2 singles championship titles in the division as we speak. 1 of them is more important than the other. This is the perfect setting for establishing the prestige of the so-called 'mid-card title' you're arguing no one would want to see challenge for.

Quote For example, during the time of Mahal, the WWE championship would have been secondary to the Universal in all except for history using your system there. Titles are given importance by the names attached to them and the names attached to them historically.


I established no system in my previous post, you just inferred one. I agree with you, the system is that the title with the history is the one with the importance. Smackdown's title has no history beyond a year and a half ago. The Universal Belt is just this generation's Big Gold Belt to the WWE Championship. That's why Jinder's run was such a travesty of the belt.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 20:26
The Divas title is not formerly the WWE Women's title. Those two titles ran concurrently and it was the women's title that was retired. It's not the same title. 

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 20:31
Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

The Divas title is not formerly the WWE Women's title. Those two titles ran concurrently and it was the women's title that was retired. It's not the same title. 

Well I'll be damned. You're right. Hmm... that sort of fucks that argument all up doesn't it? lol

Except that we were on a tangential point. Like I say "Regardless, we're arguing semantics here. There's 2 singles championship titles in the division as we speak. 1 of them is more important than the other. This is the perfect setting for establishing the prestige of the so-called 'mid-card title' you're arguing no one would want to see challenge for."

That point still stands. However at this point I guess I could concede that they could almost as easily have the Raw women's championship take a half step down to the Smackdown championship.

Like I said earlier: 
Quote
Even better, have the Raw & Smackdown women's champions get into a feud as to which title is more meaningful and build the feud towards a match where the winner's title is renamed to be the Unified Women's Championship, and the loser's title is renamed to *insert creative name here* Championship. That way you get the fans feeling like the Smackdown women's championship got screwed and arguing that it's still more prestigious than the Raw women's championship. And when it gets treated like the main singles title on Smackdown then so much the better. That's practically win/win.

It still means the secondary title is quite prestigious and really, even moreso than the Intercontinental championship. To quote DDP: "That's not a bad thing. That's a good thing"

Maybe they should bring the Diva's championship back to be the mid-card title? That's such a bad idea, it's campy goodness.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 20:45
Honestly I think we both came to a pretty even middle there; I'm happy with how all that went down.

A title could be converted to a mid card title but sooner or later they'd have to change the name for one. If they did decide to go via the network show route then probably the best option would be to retire both belts and have the two former champions compete one on one for a rebirthed WWE Women's Championship. 

You can then introduce a secondary title via tournament so that can last for a while for a crowning at the nearest PPV.

I've fantasy booked a women's only show quite a lot actually, mostly so that Becky Lynch can finally have a decent title run, but I digress.

I think at most we'll see a top title and tag titles though. If you look at NXT they really don't need a secondary title in my opinion. 

How would you book the first show?


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/February/2018 at 21:08
"How would you book the first show?"

I don't know. I haven't seen the first episode of any wrestling show except Monday Night Raw, and that was just a continuation of Prime Time Wrestling. I haven't seen the first episode of Lucha Underground, TNA, NXT's reboot as a wrestling promotion instead of a reality show, 205 Live!, or even Smackdown.

Then again maybe that's a good thing?

I'd probably start with having Stephanie open the show and do another shpeal about how the women's revolution is making history once again, blah blah blah. Make it true, make it self indulgent, take care of a little business like announcing the unification match between the Raw & Smackdown women's championship to create the undisputed women's championship, the start of a tournament to crown brand new "history making, first ever" women's tag team champions, and that the NXT women's championship will be contested on this show as well as in NXT, go back to the self indulgence about how she, Stephanie was solely responsible for it all, and then have someone... probably Ronda Rousey, come out get in an argument with her and leaving Stephanie KOd in the ring while the other woman's music plays as they walk back to the stage, pander the crowd for a moment and then head backstage and to commercial break.

After that have the opening match to the tag tournament, with Sonja & Mandy vs Peyton Royce & Billy Kay. Royce & Kay win the match

After that go to an in-ring promo by the raw women's champion about how she's glad to be here at the first ever blah blah blah, get interrupted by the smackdown champion, don't come to blows, but build the heat for the next episode. 

Come back from commercial to have Sasha & Bayley vs Logan & Morgan for another tag tournament match, Sasha & Bayley win.

Main event the evening with Ember Moon vs Kairi Sane. Moon wins by DQ after Baszler interferes and lays out Moon.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 11/February/2018 at 10:50
Quote It appears there have been some changes with plans for the women's division on Raw and possiby even Smackdown too. The original plan for Elimination Chamber was for Alexa Bliss to defend against Sasha Banks, Bayley, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville and Nia Jax but Jax was pulled out of the match and replaced with Mickie James.

-- As of last week, the plan was still to have Asuka face Charlotte Flair for the Smackdown women's title and Jax to face Bliss for the Raw women's title, but on Raw this week, Kurt Angle seemed to clearly imply that Asuka will be challenging for the Raw women's title - even though she hasn't publicly revealed which title she will go after.

-- At this time, it isn't clear if those original plans have changed or if WWE had Angle announce a potential triple threat match at WrestleMania in an attempt to throw off the audience.

Mickie James will have been put in to be the first person that's eliminated.
 
Kurt rambles as GM, which I hope is down to him being told to play a thick GM because Asuka hasn't told us who she wants to face yet.
 
Nia Jax isn't title contender worthy. We know Alexa is besties with her in the real world, so they would enjoy the occasion on the biggest stage, but it doesn't get you excited.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 21:20
So at the request of our esteemed forum leader and in a blast from the past here is a list of who I consider the hottest females currently within WWE. 
I would like to state that this is in no way sexist and simply an appreciation for the natural gifts these ladies have been blessed with LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 

1) Becky Lynch 

See the source image 

2) Alexa Bliss 

See the source image 

3) Ronda Rousey 

See the source image 

4) Nikki Bella 

See the source image 

5) Paige 

See the source image



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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 22:14
This is a full list where you get Raw and slightly scroll down to see Smackdown incase you forget someone......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel#Female_wrestlers

Based just on looks of the women on the main roster so NXT not included I would go with......

1) Peyton Royce.
2) Becky Lynch.
3) Stephanie Mcmahon.
4) Mandy Rose
5) Bree Bella.

I am glad I stopped at five because whilst others like Paige, Bayley, Zelina etc aren't ugly, they aren't stunning either. Just run of the mill alright looking women that are nothing out of the ordinary. No current woman would get probably in my all time top 20 if we were judging it how they looked in their prime.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 22:34
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

This is a full list where you get Raw and slightly scroll down to see Smackdown incase you forget someone......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WWE_personnel#Female_wrestlers

Based just on looks of the women on the main roster so NXT not included I would go with......

1) Peyton Royce.
2) Becky Lynch.
3) Stephanie Mcmahon.
4) Mandy Rose
5) Bree Bella.

I am glad I stopped at five because whilst others like Paige, Bayley, Zelina etc aren't ugly, they aren't stunning either. Just run of the mill alright looking women that are nothing out of the ordinary. No current woman would get probably in my all time top 20 if we were judging it how they looked in their prime.


Although our two lists are nearly totally different most of the ladies on yours only just missed the cut on mine.

Mandy Rose, Stephanie McMahon and Peyton Royce would have made my top 10.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 22:50
Most of yours would have made my top ten, so we aren't that different LOL

If for every position in top 5 they get that number then Becky Lynch so far is the TUP lady of choice with a first and second two two picks.

When we having a all time list because Sunny, Torrie etc piss on all the current roster Tongue


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 23:09
No particular order, but definitely the 5 I find the most attractive.

Becky Lynch

Peyton Royce


Alexa Bliss

Asuka (out of character, in character she's always making weird faces...)

Charly Caruso



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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 01/June/2018 at 06:53
1) Alexa Bliss
2) Lana
3) Nikki Bella
4) Peyton Royce
5) Paige

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 01/June/2018 at 10:44
Can't believe I forgot this stunner, technically not a wrestler but she could climb into the ring in the future and she's part of the current WWE roster, she would actually be my first pick just very narrowly edging out Becky..... 

Renee Young 

See the source image 

A top all time list would require a lot of thought as you're talking several decades of hot ladies.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 01/June/2018 at 18:11
One of my favorite lady wrestlers was Tori , not Tori Wilson , just Tori. I think her name is Tori or Terri Poch. One of the most sexy and fittest wrestlers the WWF (at the time) had. For me hotter than Sable and very toned, she just never got a good push. Tried to load a pic up but couldn’t. Maybe you can check her out ?

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 12/June/2018 at 11:06
Quote Sasha Banks vs. Ember Moon vs. Alexa Bliss vs. Natalya: Alexa starts off strong in this one, but Sasha and Ember briefly team up to take control of the match. Sasha and Ember go at it now until Natalya gets involved and drops Ember to the outside. Natalya goes after Sasha next and works on keeping Banks grounded. Sasha fights back in the corner, but Natalya overpowers her and looks for the Sharpshooter. Sasha fights her off and kicks Natalya out down to ringside. Ember gets back in the ring and starts brawling with Sasha. Ember dumps Sasha outside and follows up with a suicide dive. Alexa gets back in the fight and drops Ember, then works over Sasha in the ring. Sasha gets dumped outside again as Alexa and Natalya go back and forth in the ring now. Alexa starts working over Natalya's bad knee and takes control of the match. Sasha gets back in the ring now and drops Alexa then hits the running double knees in the corner. Ember runs in now and goes after Sasha, hitting a big suplex for a two count. Alexa comes in and fights with Ember in the corner until Alexa hits a sunset flip, but Ember breaks it up with a knee to the face. Alexa, Sasha and Ember fight in the corner until Alexa knocks Sasha and Ember down. Alexa goes for the Twisted Bliss on Sasha, but Sasha blocks with her knees. Sasha locks Alexa in the Banks Statement, but Natalya cracks her in the head to break it up. Natalya knees her in the face again, and then she dumps Alexa outside. Natalya drops Sasha, but then Ember comes in and goes after Natalya. Ember Moon hits the Eclipse on Natalya, but Alexa breaks it up and then drops Ember at ringside. Natalya drops Sasha next, and then she locks Alexa in the Sharpshooter for the win via submission.

Winner: Natalya

It was a big moment for the women to open the show alongside the men who are going to be in the same match as them this weekend and then go straight into a match.
 
They took up over half of the first hour of the show in one way or another.
 
I liked how Alexa is so heelish she had to come back out to her music, even though she was already in the ring from the previous segment.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 25/June/2018 at 16:29
I enjoy a few of the ladies Alexia , Mandy and a few others but just to me the women’s division will never be where the men’s is and the sooner they stop trying to push it to where they think it is or headline Wrestlemania the better off they will be.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 09:15
Fundamentally disagree with that. The women's division have amazing talent and some of them are more than worthy of main eventing Wrestlemania. I thought Charlotte vs Asuka would have been an ideal opportunity if I'm honest.

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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 13:32
Asuka was never a huge name in my book and now that she has lost , she can’t seem to win. Her promos are awful and her it factor is now gone that she lost. The women’s division has depth to how many do they really use ? Becky Lynch is basically non existing , Carmella is a joke , Natty is average , Mickie James just needs to go home , Alexia, Nia, Charlotte, Rhonda , and the Riott Squad is about the only ones revelant or that they push. It was unbelievable that they let Asuka have the undefeated run they did. I guess Goldbergs in the men’s division is nothing.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 18:31
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

Asuka was never a huge name in my book and now that she has lost , she can’t seem to win. Her promos are awful and her it factor is now gone that she lost. The women’s division has depth to how many do they really use ? Becky Lynch is basically non existing , Carmella is a joke , Natty is average , Mickie James just needs to go home , Alexia, Nia, Charlotte, Rhonda , and the Riott Squad is about the only ones revelant or that they push. It was unbelievable that they let Asuka have the undefeated run they did. I guess Goldbergs in the men’s division is nothing.

You are mental you

Asuka was the biggest name the Womens division has had for years at the time she was unbeaten. Charlotte is a huge name too so i agree with Tom - the opportunity was there and the situation was perfect

I am a huge supporter of The Riott Squad though


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 19:13
Huge name in NXT I agree but now on the main roster , she is just another woman trying to get in a role. It was totally ridiculous to have a winning streak go that long. At least Goldbergs streak was believable

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 20:08
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

Asuka was never a huge name in my book and now that she has lost , she can’t seem to win. Her promos are awful and her it factor is now gone that she lost. The women’s division has depth to how many do they really use ? Becky Lynch is basically non existing , Carmella is a joke , Natty is average , Mickie James just needs to go home , Alexia, Nia, Charlotte, Rhonda , and the Riott Squad is about the only ones revelant or that they push. It was unbelievable that they let Asuka have the undefeated run they did. I guess Goldbergs in the men’s division is nothing.

That's an intensely negative outlook right there. 

Asuka was a huge deal at the time of Wrestlemania and is still a big name now. She's in a lull in order to establish some other talent but peaks and troughs is how wrestling works. 

Becky Lynch is in no way non existing. She's one of the most popular female wrestlers in the world, one of an extremely rare breed of white meat baby faces to actually be popular and she is one of the most used wrestlers on the Smackdown roster. Her win record since the brand split is considerably higher than most of her competitors, including Charlotte and Bliss. 

Carmella is establishing. She is not a joke. She is developing and developing well in my book. It's her first title run; give her a chance. 

Natalya is anything but average. She's THE most polished mat wrestler in either women's division. She might be a little old school for some but she provides valuable experience, trains new talents and brings in actual drawing power, which is rare overall outside of the top stars.

Mickie James is rarely used but well used when she does wrestle. She was great in the Elimination Chamber, sells beautifully and provided some real mark out moments in the Elimination Chamber and the Royal Rumble. 

And don't sleep on Sonya Deville or Ember Moon. Whether they're at the top of the card or not isn't relevant. In a deep division not everyone can be at the very top. 


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 20:14
All good points , but the market is just to flooded with the women’s division at the moment. There isn’t enough room for them all and it’s showing. Negative or not that’s just the way things are. Who’s in the title hunt on Smackdown ? Title on Raw it’s Alexia , Nia or Rhonda that’s about it. To many fishes in the sea and the get lost or eaten by the big ones. I can make a argument for any talent in the locker room for being good. There is a difference in being good and being used correctly. Just sit back and look at the talent pool and see who’s getting the chances and who isn’t.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 26/June/2018 at 20:53
They're getting the depth to finally compare to the mens division. In the mens division, you don't say that so and so isn't challenging for the WWE title so they're not used well... well, ok actually people usually do but it's not a valid argument, and it's not with the women either.

Asuka is a rare talent that will bump like a hardcore division wrestler, wrestle like an elite mat technician and has an unspoken charisma that precludes her need to talk all the time. And you can talk about her promo in English, but lets be fair, ESL promos aren't a good indicator of how good they are on the mic. Watch her Japanese promos and you see (even if you don't understand) she is very good. She pops the crowd on the mic, has intensity, and spoken charisma to draw some pretty hardcore fans willing to go to her matches dressed up like her. Do you know who else does that? Not Ric Flair, not HBK, not Jericho, not Triple H, but guys like Savage, Hogan, Warrior, Undertaker, & Cena.

Kana is a legend, and WWE would do well to treat her like she's Ronda Rousey because only Rousey is a bigger name in the women's division.

The women's division is in a lull as far as interesting storytelling is concerned, which is a real shame, because for a while this same group of women were the most interesting thing going in the WWE. Then again WWE itself is in a real slump and utterly boring, so it's no surprise the womens division isn't what it once was a couple years ago either.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 01:06
Rico , I see your point and respect your view. I’m just not a fan of most of the women’s division and to put it up there saying it could main event wrestlemania is a far stretch. I don’t say things because they are politically correct or nice things to make people smile. I look at the good and the bad and wish it would improve. For me , the most interesting thing I’ve seen happen in the women’s division was Bayley on RAW and I have never liked Bayley or her character. So hopefully she progresses well and changes the scene a bit.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 02:04
Yeah, you're a minority, too, keep that in mind. ;) Like me when I say Brock Lesnar is a waste of money, and one of the worst wrestlers to ever enter the WWE. I know my opinion is in the minority, and when people argue the point with me. I recognize that my opinion isn't a popular one.

We all have unpopular opinions. Fine by me. I'm just saying the women's division is still improving in some ways and taking a few steps back too, overall it's a good division. In fact it's been the highlight of WWE for me for the last few years.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 02:53
I agree totally about Brock, I've said for a while now get rid of the bum. Guess we will just have to see with the women's division. I mean it's not going anywhere but hopefully someone will come up with better story lines and utilize some of the ladies that aren't getting used in a better way and see if they can carry the torch a bit.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 10:43
I think you're being overly harsh on the women's division. Their starpower is increasing considerably and thanks in part to shows like Total Divas and the general way which social media works, female drawing power grows considerably faster than male drawing power.

Smackdown is admittedly far ahead of Raw when it comes to using all of the available women on the roster, which Smackdown does very well. You have to remember that the aim in WWE isn't to create stars that win every match. The aim is to make people watch and they do that by having a wide spread of characters all pushed to a level that casuals know who they are when they flick over or actively flick over to see someone. The women's division has been the biggest draw for new fans to WWE for the last two years. This can be seen in ticket sales to previously lacking markets, YouTube views on women's division segments, merch sales and more.

And now Ronda Rousey might be the biggest draw in the company. I'm not talking after Brock, I'm not talking after Taker, I'm not talking after Cena. The biggest draw in the company. By name value alone she is going to main event Wrestlemania. Her opponent will be decided, as much as anything, by whoever WWE want to give the most airtime to as the best representation of female wrestling in WWE.

And that's why it's going to be Charlotte Flair.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 12:25
Yeah , I agree women wrestling grows a little faster cause most guys that watch wrestling wanna see hot women in skimpy outfits wrestling. So yeah that’s true , doesn’t make them better. Not trying to be harsh at all just seeing it for what it is. As far as Rhonda being the biggest draw in the company , you mention Taker , Cena and Brock ALL ARE PART TIMERS. People like AJ , Roman , Seth , Dean or The Shield collectively I don’t think she above them as a draw at all. She’s wrestled 2 matches and one of them was a tag team. Let’s not put her in the hall of fame just yet. Sure , I have no doubt she will main event Wrestlemania, probably vs Charlotte but it would depend on the bill if it deserves to be in the main event. We’ve all seen matches that were that shouldn’t have been. They are pushing for it so it will happen whether it should or not.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 13:59
Here's the thing that a lot of people are refusing to accept: Being part time makes you a bigger draw.

The biggest proven draw in company history is The Rock. Not when he was an active wrestler, but when he came back for a very small handful of matches against Cena and CM Punk. Taker, Cena and Brock draw much stronger than Roman, Seth, Styles or Ambrose (in that order) though Roman is approaching that level.

Ambrose is always a tricky one because he's over but he doesn't draw. The guy's always been resistant to pushes. He makes hard work of being a star.

It's hard to get the numbers per say about how powerful a draw she is, but when you look at column inches, mainstream TV exposure and YouTube views, the power of Ronda Rousey is absolutely undeniable. 


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 27/June/2018 at 14:09
I can agree with that Tom

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 28/June/2018 at 17:34
The classic story is: "I haven't watched in years, but so-and-so came back and I wanted to see that, and then I just stuck around."

It worked with me when Bret Hart came back in 2010, it worked with me in 2003 when Goldberg signed with WWE, and in a different sort of way, it even worked with me when I discovered WCW Monday Nitro and found that practically everyone I ever loved in wrestling during the WWF's heyday in 89-92 was now on Nitro.

Nostalgia draws.

Crossover stars draw too.

Mike Tyson? Mr. T? Mayweather? Lesnar was a 2 for 1 being both nostalgia and crossover, and now Rousey? They all drew, at least initially.

My question with Rousey is how long does she continue to draw? Do people shut down on her sooner or later? Or does she grow? Or does she level out at an acceptable number? I know that her not being on TV means I'm not watching, especially now that Asuka's on a losing streak. I don't want to watch that shit. I want to see her dominate. If she's not going to do that, I don't want to watch her.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 27/August/2018 at 11:06
Quote The entire women's roster is around the ring now and carpet is laid out in the ring. The Women's Title belt is in the ring for an official presentation to Ronda Rousey. Stephanie McMahon comes out to the ring next and introduces a video package looking at Ronda Rousey's road to the Women's Title. Stephanie goes on to give herself credit for being such a great businesswoman, and says Ronda is her protege, but then Ronda Rousey comes out to interrupt. Ronda steps in the ring and the crowd chants her name, and Stephanie gets on the mic saying she takes credit for this. Ronda interrupts and says this isn't all about Stephanie, and she asks why the other wrestlers have to stand at ringside while Stephanie is in the ring. Ronda tells the wrestlers to get up on the ring, and Ronda says this is about all of them and women's evolution, not just Stephanie. Ronda credits Natalya, Bayley, and Sasha Banks with propelling the women's wrestling movement. Ronda says she's not Brock Lesnar and she's going to be a fighting champion. Stephanie says this isn't the Ronda Rousey she knows, this is the Ronda who just wants to break peoples' arms. Stephanie points out that Ronda broke Alexa's arm last night, and shows some still shots from their match last night. Stephanie says Ronda is going to break all of their arms and wipe all of them out. Ronda gets in Stephanie's face, says she only breaks arms of people who deserve it, and grabs her. Ronda takes Stephanie down and puts her in an arm bar. Ronda lets go as Stephanie screams and rolls out of the ring. Some of the other women check on Stephanie at ringside, as others join Ronda in the ring and hug her.
 
Even when Stephanie or even Hs aren't talking in character about the women's division, they come across as patonising.
 
It happened when the Evolution PPV was announced and the same happened last monday. It was like a parent talking to her kids.
 
The more they make a big deal of women moments that haven't happened before, the less normal they seem.


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