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Topic: My Hero...Vince Russo
Posted By: drey7337
Subject: My Hero...Vince Russo
Date Posted: 27/January/2008 at 17:03
To me, he is a genius! You can point out flaws of his, but no body is perfect...not even VINCE MCMAHON. Would you guys be happy if you were watching Doink [8th Generation], Crush,etc. You know all the guys from 93-96, because without Russo you would probably still be watching the same product from 95. Wrestling sure as hell wouldn't be as popular, with out him [and McMahon working on The Attitude Era]. Anyways, heres some cool videos:
 
RARE TNA Tron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYlcBewSrd0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYlcBewSrd0
WCW Mini-Tron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmoqkwJH_d4&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmoqkwJH_d4&feature=related
The Pope/Fired Angle that WWE copied: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUFkJejm6I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUFkJejm6I
Corino HATES Russo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR33DVYQlK8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR33DVYQlK8
o.k.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6tjcTpxwaM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6tjcTpxwaM
Interview with Russo: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kQreJnyKKlw - http://youtube.com/watch?v=kQreJnyKKlw
Shoots on Goldberg on Nitro: http://youtube.com/watch?v=he8k14BlVJI - http://youtube.com/watch?v=he8k14BlVJI
 more comming soon!
 


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Posted By: EdgeHead
Date Posted: 28/January/2008 at 06:11
Vince Russo is a good booker as long as he has someone competent to filter his booking and take out the bad ideas he has. That's what he had in WWE with Vince McMahon. That's what he could've had in WCW with Eric Bischoff before Turner got rid of Bischoff. And that's what he doesn't have in TNA right now and it's killing the product.


Posted By: drey7337
Date Posted: 28/January/2008 at 22:56
I agree, but I don't think he's killing TNA. He just needs a filter for his few bad ideas. I personally believe that Dutch Mantell is the companies creative cancer. But since Jarrett is close to Dutch, he won't be fired. If Bischoff could have had the chance to filter Vince, WCW might even still be around today.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 28/January/2008 at 23:04
Is he a wrestler all of a sudden? Vince Russo does get a lot of bad press that he doesn't deserve. Just like any other booker, he's made some horrible decisions. But lets not forget the good ones either. He changed the face of wrestling and if it wasn't for him, we might still be watching stupid characters like Warlord on our tv screen.
 
He gets bothered for TNA stuff now and yet when it comes out who's behind a shit storyline (like Sharkboy 3:16), it's Dutch Mantel and not Russo. He's been good on screen as well. Like in the early days of TNA with S.E.X and as the heel manager of Styles.


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Posted By: drey7337
Date Posted: 29/January/2008 at 00:16
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Is he a wrestler all of a sudden?
Well, he did hold the world title, if that has to do with anything. lol
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I actually like the Sharkboy 3:16 stuff lol


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Posted By: ecmulder
Date Posted: 29/January/2008 at 02:00
I feel Vince Russo has done some good ideas and HELPED WWE in the attitude era but to give him sole credit for that would be wrong as it was a bunch of things comming together that made WWE great back then.
 
Maybe Vince Russo is given more bad credit than what he deserves but you cannot ignore some of his more questionable ideas (like Pinata on a Pole, the S.E.X. team in TNA, booking himself to win the WCW title, booking David Arequette to win the WCW title).
 
In the end I agree with many others that bad things happen when Russo doesn't have anyone to make sure he stays focused. So VR can do great things when someone's there to make sure he keeps his eye on the ball.


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Posted By: Doc_Pothead
Date Posted: 25/July/2008 at 00:48
vince russo is the greatest wrestling personality ever , the man is god and i am his son.
there fore i am the son of god and the father is him that is called russo , russo is the creator of the world and his power is endless , and i cast thine eyes to the heavens and he preaches to me , he tells me things that i need to know , that i must tell you , turn your life over to russo , i am the way that leads to russo , through me "the prophet of god" you can learn


Posted By: The Phylth
Date Posted: 25/July/2008 at 17:32
i dont see russo as anything but a guy, with some good ideas and some terrible ideas. on the plus side he can come out with some creative stuff and he did push for more adult themes in wrestling when we were all sick of the 'doink the clown stuff' but on the negative side, he doesnt know enough about wrestling and i agree with corino on the fact that i think russo just rapes the wrestling business cuz he doesnt know enough about it to know what works properly and what doesnt. making david arquette wcw champion, yeah it got newspaper attention but the next day then papers were just used for bags of chips - so in my opinion he sold out just to make a quick buck.
 
i aint with that shit.
 
to me, 2 men who have changed wrestling FOR THE GOOD - Gabe Sapolski & Mitsuharu Misawa, and no one can tell me differently.


Posted By: Doc_Pothead
Date Posted: 26/July/2008 at 06:48
why does someone have to know wrestling in order to write it??? nobody writing now has any wrestling talent , watch some old freebird videos , yeah ps hayes was  funny and charasmatic , but lets face it, him and dusty rhodes dont know the first thing about wrestling , i watched a match between arn anderson and dusty , arn had to work his ass off to make it look like dusty knew how to wrestle , anybody who thinks dusty was a great ring performer has selective memory , the fat fuck lays around for 20 minutes then somehow wins the match , all russo needs to do is make sure the end of a match pushes the storyline in the right direction , everything eles should be on the wrestlers and the consultants "hey do this move" be sure to shake hands get real emotion" ,


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29/July/2008 at 17:41
For once I agree with DocP, on something. Vince Russo has a lot of talent. I wish he was still writing for the WWE. I think he'd shoot down a lot of terrible storylines and bad gimmicks and replace them with good ones.

I also agree with him that being a good wrestler doesn't mean you're a good booker. As Mick Foley said Rick Flair was one greatest wrestlers, but one of the worst bookers of all time.


Posted By: Doc_Pothead
Date Posted: 29/July/2008 at 17:48
there isnt a connection between my gayness and your new kindness towards me?
cause you know...just pm meEmbarrassed


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30/July/2008 at 16:01
Originally posted by Doc_Pothead Doc_Pothead wrote:

there isnt a connection between my gayness and your new kindness towards me?
cause you know...just pm meEmbarrassed


I don't really care that you're gay. My problem with you before was because you called me an "uneducated fool" over a simple difference in opinion, while at the same time you had no logic or reasoning to back up your own opinions. I also thought it was funny that you acted homophobic in one tread and gay in another.

I agreed with you in this topic, because you said something that was remotely intellegnt. Also the fact that you didn't insult people who disagreed with you shows a lot of personal growth.


Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 29/September/2008 at 05:36
What the fuck is this thread? Genuis? He is a drooling retard. Vince Russo is a piece of shit booker and a racist bastard. Remember when he did that shoot interview where he said Japanese and Mexicans have no place in US wrestling and i quote - "i dont pay to watch fucking 'spics wrestle in my home country", then booked a Pinata on a pole match the next week. Rey Mysterio did shit all for 1.5 years while Russo killed WCW. He trashed the once prosperous cruiserweight division, gave himself, his best mate "Oklahoma", Arquette and Judy fucking Bagwell title reigns, signed half the NBA roster to wrestle, and hell, even Jay Leno got a win in a tag match. Russo has NEVER had any good ideas. General. E . Rection. Haha how funny.In his WWF stint Austin, Rock and Triple H would of got over no matter who was booker. To sum up - Chris Benoit quote - "What he said he brought to the table was totally different to what he delivered". Enuf said on this fucking brain dead racist bitch.

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Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 29/September/2008 at 18:59
I'd like to know which storylines Russo actually wrote when he was in the WWF/E.  He gets a lot of credit for the Attitude Era stuff but a lot of people point out that without Vince McMahon to okay and nullify some of his ideas, he would have pretty much thrown out junk on screen like he did with WCW. 

I know one of my very favorite skits he ever did was the one with Hogan where he blasted him at Bash at the Beach.  That piece of footage needs to be enshrined in gold cause he was right on with everything he said to that ego blowhard asshole, Hogan. 




Posted By: drey7337
Date Posted: 29/September/2008 at 23:26
I take not many have seen his RF Shoot? Him and Ed wrote everything that was ever seen on RAW/SD from 97-late 99. All McMahon did, was point out small detail;s and made them better. russo gives McMahon all the credit in the fucking world! Judy Bagwell NEVER had a title reign...ever. 2 NBA guys were in WCW...BEFORE RUSSO JOINED. Leno was booked in 97 or 98 I belive, got them TONS of publicity, and this also didn't happen while Russo was booking in WCW. Russo pushed some great talent in his time in WCW. Never would we have seen guys like Corp. Cajun, Booker T, KroniK [made tons of cash], skipper, Storm, Stacy Keibler, Torrie Wilson, David flair, etc. make a name for themselves. THEY ALL CREDIT RUSSO FOR THEIR WCW PUSH! Also, he says "The Pinata Match" was done, because it was just another way to do a gimmick match, which is what upper management wanted at the time. ALSO, I dare anyone to find me the interview where he says "Japanese and Mexicans have no place in US wrestling and i quote - "i dont pay to watch fucking 'spics wrestle in my home country"" PLEASE find that for me.Hmm, Rey was never pushed by Russo? Did the filthy animals do nothing in their time together? Guess not.

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Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 00:38
Ok, yeah i got carried away. Let me correct myself. Judy Bagwell WAS WCW tag champ with Rick Stiener in Nov 98, before Russo joined. Leno was at Hog Wild 98, also pre Russo. Rodman appeared in TNA in 04, but in WCW him and Malone were in 98, pre Russo. Booker was already a star after his best of 7 with Benoit in 98, Storm got over in The Impact Players tag team in ECW, Elix Skipper did NOTHING in WCW except win the Cruiserweight tag title, which only lasted about a month, and David Flair is a contender for worst wrestler of all time. The Mexicans and Japanese quote is in Russo's own autobiog "The death of WCW". And no, i hardly saw the Filthy Animals, because me, and millions of others, were watching a sparkling Russo-free WWF, while WCW was getting killed by him.

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Posted By: drey7337
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 04:05
Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

Booker was already a star after his best of 7 with Benoit in 98, Storm got over in The Impact Players tag team in ECW, Elix Skipper did NOTHING in WCW except win the Cruiserweight tag title, which only lasted about a month, and David Flair is a contender for worst wrestler of all time.


Booker T: When Russo took over, he really got pushed as a singles star to the main event. He wasn't just chillin in the TV/US title scene, or 1/2 of Harlem Heat. Ya dig? lol.

Storm: His ECW run was fantastic. Tooo bad that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about his WCW run. Russo used him very wisely, and even gave him the "serious Canadian" gimmick, which I still laugh at the dramatic head turn when someone would interrupt O CANADA. haha.

Elix: Was pushed with Team Canada very much. won cruiser weight Title too if I'm not mistaken. Was also used very well, for the time he was there.

David Flair: You can't win them all lol.




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Posted By: Pac-Man
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 04:15
Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

And no, i hardly saw the Filthy Animals, because me, and millions of others, were watching a sparkling Russo-free WWF, while WCW was getting killed by him.


Actually, what killed WCW was the selfishness of nWo leaders. You're forgetting that WWF was also sparkling Nash-and-Hogan-free.

Oh, and since you hardly saw the Filthy Animals… that would mean you hardly saw the origination of Eddie Guerrero's trademark shtick.


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Posted By: Doc_Pothead
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 06:34

wcw was bought long before anyone knew about it , it was on some business show on a news channel about 3 months before it broke in the wrestling world...russo couldnt of saved wcw even if he wanted to...russo is my hero , the dark lord of wrestling arise!!



Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 11:29
I am sorry. I was so focused on all Russo's bad stuff, i didnt give him credit for the good stuff he did. That "If i can be serious for a minute" Lance Storm gimmick was totally underrated, putting the Canadian Maple Leaf on the US Title was brilliant. I forgot Skipper was in Team Canada as well, and i liked their feud with M.I.A. I also thought Jeff Jarretts push as "The Chosen One" heel champ went well. The tag teams in WCW were excellent, with 3 Count, The Perfect Event, Natural Born Thrillers, Jung Dragons, Big Vito and Reno, Kronik and Rey/Kidman putting on great matches. I suppose with all the politics with creative control, tons of wrestlers switching to WWF and Russo not having any real McMahon figure above him to sort problems out, Vince Russo didnt do THAT bad after all. He still had some suck ass ideas though.

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Posted By: drey7337
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 11:46
Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

II suppose with all the politics with creative control, tons of wrestlers switching to WWF and Russo not having any real McMahon figure above him to sort problems out, Vince Russo didnt do THAT bad after all. He still had some suck ass ideas though.


Some ideas did suck rikishi ass.


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Posted By: MariaS
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 18:06
Russo did come up with some good ideas but by the time he got to WCW, most of the WCW fans had turned over to the WWE and it would have taken another NWO type thing--not the NWO itself--but another storyline along the lines of that that would make people want to watch to get them to come back. 

It's unfortunate for the people that actually stayed with WCW until the very end that things had to go this way because while they may have had some good to great feuds and matches, there just wasn't enough interest in that so that it would bring people back to WCW.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have incessant assholes like Hogan and his cronies and I hate to call him an asshole but Sting too that wouldn't work with these people in order to rebuild WCW.  I may be wrong but this is my opinion.  I'll always believe Hogan is the reason for the downfall of WCW.  He's always been about "me, me, me" and if he doesn't get his way, he whines like a bitch and runs out on whatever company he may be working for at the time or uses a bullshit injury like the one he used in 2006 when Orton had to take a loss to that jackass or not have a match on the SummerSlam card at all.


Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 18:30
By the time WCW realized that they didnt need to give Hogan, Nash and their other marquee stars the world title to get ratings, it was already too late. Maybe everyone knew there wasnt long left for the company, so they just pushed loads of young talent that wouldnt of got a look in otherwise. When Vince and Eric came back in 2000, they had a good thing going, and WCW was picking up business again until the Bash at the Beach farce. Jarrett had momentum as champ, Russo makes the right call in booking him to go over Hogan, so he invokes his creative control? What an ass. Ive heard that WCW's programming like Nitro didnt even have a match schedule when the show started, so it must have been pretty hard for Russo to be fair. Come to think of it, with so many wrestlers having creative control, and Nash on the booking team, who was responsible for the idiotic storylines? How could anyone of booked a fluid, long-term feud when the matches are constanly changing without your approval?

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Posted By: Pac-Man
Date Posted: 30/September/2008 at 20:05
Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

When Vince and Eric came back in 2000, they had a good thing going, and WCW was picking up business again until the Bash at the Beach farce. Jarrett had momentum as champ, Russo makes the right call in booking him to go over Hogan, so he invokes his creative control? What an ass.

Yep. That alone should tell you who truly killed WCW.

Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

Ive heard that WCW's programming like Nitro didnt even have a match schedule when the show started, so it must have been pretty hard for Russo to be fair. Come to think of it, with so many wrestlers having creative control, and Nash on the booking team, who was responsible for the idiotic storylines? How could anyone of booked a fluid, long-term feud when the matches are constanly changing without your approval?

With all that being said, one would have to be at least somewhat surprised they ever even booked a fluid card.


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Posted By: PSachkovsky
Date Posted: 16/October/2012 at 16:07
Quote Following recent productive weekends with Angelina Love at various events, Velvet Sky posted a message on Twitter Sunday thanking Vince Russo for teaming the two together five years ago when he devised characters and storylines for TNA Wrestling.

"Wanna shout out Vince Russo & thank him 4 creating the team of #TBP. After all this time we r still going stronger than ever @ActualALove," Sky wrote. "I for one never forgot where I came from and who helped create my success along the way. Thank you Russo!!"

Love added, "He was always wonderful to us!!"

Sky was then notified of the "bad things" Russo did for professional wrestling. She responded to the fan, "Fortunately I am a positive person and focus on the good on people."

She also re-tweeted, "That's very nice of you & I hope people realize that Vince Russo did great things in wrestling & should not be bashed."

Yeah, Vince Russo succeeded in helping Angelina Love and Velvet Sky, but he still suck at booking, and at writing, no matter what anyone will tell me. 


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 16/October/2012 at 18:06
I've heard some funny praise given to Russo over the years. The people that benefitted from his insanity always give him some thanks.
 
I can't remember where I first heard it. I've heard other creative members say that Russo came up with some great ideas and set-ups. But he never had any sort of ending in mind. He was big on the 'we'll figure it out later' approach. When he was in WWE that was always kept in check by Vince McMahon. McMahon always knew where he wanted an angle to end. But in WCW and TNA, there wasn't sort of authority over Russo. So Russo ended up as this weird figure in the business. He was very creative but he was often rudderless in his approach.
 
 


Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 16/October/2012 at 18:23
Some old_skool Rock Mark posts up in this bitch.

Russo is great, and most the people who hate him unknowingly like most the shit from the Attitude Era which Russo booked. GTFOH.


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Posted By: PSachkovsky
Date Posted: 16/October/2012 at 18:26
Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

Some old_skool Rock Mark posts up in this bitch.

Russo is great, and most the people who hate him unknowingly like most the shit from the Attitude Era which Russo booked. GTFOH.

It wouldn't been this good, if it wasn't for Vince McMahon. I mean, he came up with an idea of an 'incest' angle between Vince and his daughter. If it wasn't for Vince, those angles wouldn't have been as good as they were.


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Posted By: Willy1225
Date Posted: 16/October/2012 at 21:18
Originally posted by PSachkovsky PSachkovsky wrote:

It wouldn't been this good, if it wasn't for Vince McMahon. I mean, he came up with an idea of an 'incest' angle between Vince and his daughter. If it wasn't for Vince, those angles wouldn't have been as good as they were.
 
Considering that wwe was ready to run an incest angle with the Burchills in 2008, lets not make Vince Mcmahon out to be a saint and Russo a disgusting person for pitching such a thing.
 
Russo gets a lot of shit that he doesnt deserve. He is capable of giving EVERYONE on the roster a character and get every act on the roster over. I watch attitude era clips on Youtube and Val Venis gets as a big a pop in 1999 as John Cena gets in 2012.
 
Saying that Russo cant book an ending to story is pretty funny considering almost every booker has that problem. Russo can keep things interesting while those other bookers cant. (See the Aces and Eights story crawl along at an uninteresting pace) Russo's only outright bad quality is the over-reliance on the schoolboy pin of doom and the ref bump (a ref bump that almost all bookers use btw)


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 17/October/2012 at 06:04
Prior to the Attitude Era both WWF & JCP/WCW typically planned out what their main events at WrestleMania & Starrcade would be several months in advance. They figured out their destination and then planned how to get there.
 
Russo likes to get in the car and just start driving.  That's probably why he did so well with McMahon in WWF. It was around the Attitude Era that McMahon seemed increasingly prone to chucking a script just hours before going live. That was something that suited Russo's style just fine.  Of course that also created a lot of loose ends and inconsistencies. But McMahon has always been convinced that fans can't remember what happened 3 weeks ago.
 
With WWE now the standard default in US wrestling, we now see that McMahon-Russo approach more frequently.  I think all the promotions now do this, they start angles with no plan for what the end will be.
 
 


Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 17/October/2012 at 23:38
it's funny that Vince doesn't do that now, that he allowed the Anonymous Raw GM angle to just run and run with no actual end in sight...

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Posted By: IDIOTdella
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 11:54
I don't know why people keep thinking Russo was a Booker because all he really was was a Creative Writer (though I do use that term extremely loosely in regards to Russo). I mean, yeah he's booked one off lame arsed Gimmick matches and ideas, like the Brawl For All and Pinata on a pole kind, kinds of matches that serve no other purpose (like developing a storyline for instance), other than to satisfy Russo's own sick mind of what he deems to be perfect Wrestling Entertainment. It's like those who keep referring to Jim Ross as a Colour Commentator because for a little bit of the time he would be forced to respond to Jerry Lawler's comments, but in fact he was a Play-by-Play commentator.

This is how it goes. You have Vince Russo Head of Creative and you have Dutch Mantell as the Booker. Vince Russo would approach Dutch Mantell and say something like "Hey, Dutch, have you seen that film [insert film name here] with such-n-such and such-n-such in it, man?" Dutch says he has, so Russo tells him that that's good because that's the storyline they're going to run with with the top two guys.

So then what Dutch would do is rent out the film so he could refresh his memory on the beginning, middle and the end of the storyline and then work whatever talent he thought would sell that storyline the best, until it ends on a logical conclusion where those two top men are in a match together at the end of the storyline. He'd also book whatever interference may be needed and/or a certain gimmick match, like a cage match, to further develop the storyline, or whether it should end with those two top men in a gimmick match, like cage match, and so on.

The reason I shit on Vince Russo when it comes to Creative Ability in the Wrestling Entertainment Business is because he has none. He had one good ideas during the attitude era, that being the Canadian vs American idea. The creative writing was the shits though. I can supply a link to a shoot promo Bret did which was off the cuff and getting things off his chest about Shawn Michaels and I can supply a link to something Russo had written for Bret to say in a promo which was full of fancy, frilly words that no human being on earth in reality would ever say out loud. Another claim he makes is the McMahon vs SCSA storyline, but that had already been self-written not only by SCSA but also by the fallout from the MSJ.

What are the two main things Russo takes credit for back then? Val Venis & Goldust, both sexually motivated individuals, one a Porn Star and the other a slimy, offensive bi-sexual who forces himself onto straight guys when it takes his fancy, who develops into someone suffering from Dissociative identity disorder (DID) (Multiple Personality Disorder). Huh?

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.

Considering how far WCW had plummetted by the time late 1999 had rolled in, Russo would fit in there like a hand ot a glove, because WCW was then a company reduced to nothing more than a gimmick company whose sole intent seemed to be to convey the message that Wrestling is Fake - which has been Russo's self-proclaimed intent throughout his entire Wrestling Entertainment Business career. To have such an intent, to ridicule its fans by trying to prove that (when they already know it's scripted), proves to me that any idea coming from that kind of motivation is going to be the shits and for me, they have been. Give Russo his due though, he knows how to ride the coattails and he knows how to shit on other people to keep himself there, but creatively, he is the shits.

I have a list of all the things he alone intro'd in the WWF storyline wise, from the time he started to have Creative Power there to when he left - and, for me, it's a list that Andrex would be proud to use as their next line of Toilet Rolls called "Russo's Genius".




Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 19:42
Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused


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Posted By: IDIOTdella
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 21:14
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused

If you disagree with what I've written, then why don't you do what most grown-ups would do and instead give me an example which proves to you that Vince Russo worked hard for his money as a Creative Writer at the WCW.

Thanks




Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 21:17
He was the head writer in a company where Hulk Hogan had creative control. If that isn't work, I don't know what is.

But hey, you're right, maybe he sat on his ass, doing absolutely nothing. All of those pole matches and worked shoots must have been some other guy's doing.


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 21:30
Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

He was the head writer in a company where Hulk Hogan had creative control. If that isn't work, I don't know what is.

But hey, you're right, maybe he sat on his ass, doing absolutely nothing. All of those pole matches and worked shoots must have been some other guy's doing.
 
 
Kevin Nash also had a creative control over his character in WCW.
 
Hell, that was another part of the problem with WCW. Too many guys had too much input in creative. It didn't matter who came up with whatever storyline because a quarter of the roster could say "Nope, I'm not doing that." (OK, maybe that's an exaggeration but it's what it felt like.)
 
 
 


Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:22
Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused

If you disagree with what I've written, then why don't you do what most grown-ups would do and instead give me an example which proves to you that Vince Russo worked hard for his money as a Creative Writer at the WCW.

Thanks


 
you want me to quote the internet?
 
congratulations on spreading your crappy ideas and notions outside of the TNA thread for once, good to see you're a consistently annoying lil fly.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:24
i don't think i've ever seen Della post something positive about anything

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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:25
Does "There are heaps of talented wrestlers in TNA" count, before she gets into "That are all being shit on by Hogan/Pritchard/Bischoff"?

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:29
her only wholey positive post i've seen was in the "Are TNA using Hernandes...", and since that was against the general consensus of the forum, i have come to the conclusion that she is a troll, but just not a very good one.

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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:42
Actually I'd say she's a fantastic troll, at least at mine or JTB's level, she's got the whole forum against her.

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Posted By: DangerZone
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:43
not so.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:44
nah, it feels like she tries way too hard.
 
so do you.
 
JtB just seems to have it naturally, if anything, i'd say he's dropped to your level purely because he admits himself he can't be arsed as much now.


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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:56
I'm hurt. Truly. I mean, I try, sure, but that's because Jizzel is gone and there's less shit around here. It's difficult these days, so I take my opportunities. That's why JTB can't be arsed anymore, the easy target is gone.

Back on topic, according to Bischoff (WWE Legends of Wrestling roundtables - YouTube that shit, great shoots), after the Oklahoma stupidity, he was never Russo's biggest fan, so you would have to imagine the guy was doing some kind of work to keep his job. As for TNA, he was there for years before all of his friends got there, so even if he was terrible at his job, I can't fathom him not working to keep it.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:59
yeah, that's exactly what i mean. he was in TNA for years before Hogan and Bischoff came on board, and they apparently didn't like him, then Flair comes in, who also didn't like him, and yet he's not gone straight away.
 
he was definitely working, for anyone to say that he wasn't is moronic. the problem was that he then didn't have a McMahon to reign in his ideas, obviously as much as Vince would, bearing in mind he wanted to do the incest storyline.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 14/May/2018 at 17:07
https://youtu.be/yIBiAiEXQfg

Despite his constant use of the word Bro being quickly annoying, his shoot promo on Cody Rhodes was entertaining.

He protests his innocence about being homophobic a bit too much.

It's probably worked so he gets to be on All In.


Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 17/May/2018 at 01:43
I wouldnt bother having him there he's a cancer to all things wrestling and the event does not need him.

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