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Topic: WWE Evolution 2018
Posted By: admin
Subject: WWE Evolution 2018
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 11:06
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Evolution

The venue will hold around 14,000, so I hope the women can get it as full as possible.

It's not an event I can take seriously. It's a box ticking gimmick event for the good publicity it will bring.

It's going to be like a B level Night Of Champions with so much on the line in pretty much every match.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 11:54
WWE Evolution is being used as a back door pilot to gauge interest for a women only Network exclusive show a la 205 Live. 

We'll see if it works. I'll fantasy book it later. Earliest rumour suggested a Rousey vs Banks main event.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 13:02
I thought they already had a women’s only show for a network , WWE Divas ? None the less , I’m glad for the women to have their own PPV. Just like the guys , some will be good and some will not so I hope the ladies burn it down , so to speak. I’m just glad they didn’t introduce yet more titles. Then there would be 2 more tag titles with raw and Smackdown women’s tag belts. I sarill say unify the Yniversla and the real world championship belt and let the champ be on both Raw and Smackdown. No participation trophies.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 13:09
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

I thought they already had a women’s only show for a network , WWE Divas ? None the less , I’m glad for the women to have their own PPV. Just like the guys , some will be good and some will not so I hope the ladies burn it down , so to speak. I’m just glad they didn’t introduce yet more titles. Then there would be 2 more tag titles with raw and Smackdown women’s tag belts. I sarill say unify the Yniversla and the real world championship belt and let the champ be on both Raw and Smackdown. No participation trophies.

They are calling it the first ever womens only PPV when it's going to be on the Network so no different to what they have already done with the Mae Young Classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_HMfe1Rfi4

I think tag titles for women will still be added and the first champions crowned at this event.

To have fifty women on the show is going to feel like overkill.


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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 21:19
They can't even manage more then 3 storylines for the women and they're going to have a PPV about them the only interest it Will have will be Ronda Rousey being on the show.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 24/July/2018 at 22:05
Originally posted by L-shizzel L-shizzel wrote:

They can't even manage more then 3 storylines for the women and they're going to have a PPV about them the only interest it Will have will be Ronda Rousey being on the show.
 
To make the show have as much interest as possible, it's got to be a big priority in the coming months, for creative to try and make more women look like stars.
 
Quote On the latest Wrestling Observer Radio, it was speculated that because there will be at least 50 women competing in the upcoming Evolution PPV, there will have to be some sort of battle royal or Royal Rumble and multi woman/tag team type matches in order to get all those talent into matches.

— On a related note, WWE is scheduled to go back to Saudi Arabia in November, which makes the timing of the all women’s PPV very interesting and likely not a coincidence. WWE is also holding the event in October to tie into Susan G. Komen and breast cancer awareness month.

E trying to make the women happy before they can't compete again in Saudi Arabia?
 
Or maybe the timing is to put extra pressure on Saudi Arabia to allow a match next time?


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Posted By: DangerZone
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 00:34


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 12:56
Total Divas isn't wrestling. It's also not all women.

I'd heard Rousey vs Banks would main event but with the Sasha vs Bayley feud being dragged out I'm not so sure if they'll just take the rematch women's title matches off of the September PPV and do them here.


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Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 17:17
Sad to see WWE pandering to the SJWs.

When will they learn that women matches still are and forever will be the piss break.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 19:34
No total divas isn’t wrestling , that and the Bellas isn’t much of a show at all. Most hardcore fans probably won’t watch Evolution but still could be for the greatest royal rumble snub as well

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 23:16
Actually I'd suggest that most hardcore fans will watch Evolution but the audience will suffer due to a lack of support from casual fans.

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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 25/July/2018 at 23:44
It's gonna take a lot of women from the past to pull it off to make it worth watching. Current Smackdown roster isn't deep enough and both have wrestlers on it that most care nothing about. Cue Trish Stratus, Lita, Kelly Kelly, Michelle McCool. How wild would it be to pull of Sable, Torri Wilson, Tori Poch, Kat, Molly Holly.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 26/July/2018 at 20:49
At first I was thinking I wouldn’t bother watching it as for me while Women’s wrestling has improved from a in ring stand-point at least I still only have any real interest if it’s a big match like Charlotte/Asuka or Rousey/Jax to name a couple from recent times.

But if they make this into something special by including past names and having some big matches then I will give it a look. Rousey I expect to be champ by then so that presents plenty of interesting scenarios, if they bring back Trish Stratus or Michelle McCool for one more match would be interesting to see either of them wrestle Charlotte or Alexa Bliss maybe? Beth Phoenix vs Nia Jax would be another good one.

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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 26/July/2018 at 21:32
Yes I agree. I just don’t want another women’s royal rumble. I want actual matches.

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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 27/July/2018 at 10:22
Unfortunately I don't see this ppv doing that well especially when they're is only so much time on both Raw and Smackdown you can give the women to build up rivalries and even then this is probably the best kind of card you'll get 


Nia Jax vs Mickie James 


Ronda Rousey vs Alexa Bliss 


Sasha Banks vs Bayley 


Carmella vs Becky Lynch and possibly Asuka and Charlotte Flair as well 


maybe a nothing tag match with Iconics maybe taking on the bellas or something 


What other matches could you possibly put on the card and better yet can the women go longer then 15 minutes because so far only Charlotte and Sasha have gone more then 15 minutes in the ring at any time on the main roster.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 27/July/2018 at 17:52
Allow me to fantasy book for a moment.

Ronda Rousey vs Sasha Banks

Charlotte Flair vs Asuka

Ember Moon vs Naomi

Shayna Baszler vs Becky Lynch

Toni Storm vs Io Sharai

Bliss vs Bayley

Trish Stratus vs Mickie James

Bella Twins vs Iiconics

There's a lot they could do, and I'd sure watch the hell out of it.

You say they don't have time to build but they actually have far more time. I would imagine they'll build some feuds in the background and have a couple of matches built up for the PPV before that don't happen. Charlotte vs Asuka doesn't need build, Rousey vs Banks doesn't need long.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 27/July/2018 at 18:42
Only Rousey v Banks and Charlotte v Asuka really has any appeal. Yes I know it’s a fantasy build but that why I’ve said the women’s division needs work. There are only a few that are really good to carry really good and entertaining matches. We will see how it all shakes down by then but hopefully it will be worth the build they are trying to give it to be.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 04/September/2018 at 11:15
Quote Last night, WWE announced another match for their first ever all-women's PPV, Evolution, which takes place October 28, 2018 live from Uniondale, NY. WWE Hall of Famer Lita will return to the ring to take on Mickie James in a one-on-one match.

BREAKING: https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @WWE Hall of Famer https://twitter.com/AmyDumas?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @AmyDumas will return to the ring at https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEEvolution?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - #WWEEvolution to square off against former rival and 6-TIME https://twitter.com/hashtag/WomensChampion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - #WomensChampion https://twitter.com/MickieJames?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - @MickieJames ! https://t.co/h5pBEWGfb7" rel="nofollow - https://t.co/h5pBEWGfb7

— WWE (@WWE) https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1036804264088219649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow - September 4, 2018

-- WWE has already suggested that approximately 50 female superstars will be competing at this PPV, with past legends/stars joining future NXT talent alongside the company's current Raw and Smackdown superstars. The only other matches official is another Hall of Famer Trish Stratus taking on Alexa Bliss and the finals of the Mae Young Classic. Both the Raw and Smackdown women's titles are likely to be defended. There is also expected to be some sort of battle royal or multi-person match to be announced later this month.

Any returning for one night only Diva/Legend should be losing their match on the night.
 
Not sure if it's something I will be rushing to watch as it shows up the lack of talent on the current roster, that they feel they have to bring back past ladies to help the event.
 
Also there is no avoiding the elephant in the room, which is that AJ Lee won't be there when she should be.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 11/October/2018 at 03:08
Admittedly, Evolution will be ground breaking for the women of wrestling. Bringing back Trish, Lita and other legends is a nice touch, however I probably won't watch it just due to the fact I simply have no interest in watching a all women's PPV.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 11/October/2018 at 16:52
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

Admittedly, Evolution will be ground breaking for the women of wrestling. Bringing back Trish, Lita and other legends is a nice touch, however I probably won't watch it just due to the fact I simply have no interest in watching a all women's PPV.


I used to feel much the same, despite the revival of women’s wrestling in WWE it’s still often a after thought of the product to me, although I must admit my interest in the women’s division is probably at a all time high with Ronda Rousey on Raw and the Becky/Charlotte feud on Smackdown. When this show was first announced I did think I would probably only watch highlights or select matches but so far I think there is enough quality on the card for me to watch the whole thing.

It’s definitely a form of compensation for the ladies I think as they’ve now missed out on two big pay days with the Saudi shows, but it’s well timed with the current popularity of the women’s division and all the history making stuff they are doing.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 11/October/2018 at 18:49
Quote Not sure if it's something I will be rushing to watch as it shows up the lack of talent on the current roster, that they feel they have to bring back past ladies to help the event.
It's not about bringing back former talent to "help". They do very little to sell tickets because they come from a time when women's wrestling being bad was just as much their fault as it was the bookers. The older wrestlers coming back is more of a ceremonial move for the name evolution, and a pat on the back for doing what they should have done all along.

The Mae Young Classic finals, & the NXT roster is all they really need. Nikki Cross is gonna be a highlight of the night. And Io Shirai competing presumably against either Toni Storm or Lacey Lane, Kairi Sane vs Shayna Baszler, and Rousey vs Nikki and Charlotte vs Becky is more than enough to make me tune in.

I fully expect to see Shayna Baszler & Ronda Rousey to unite for the first time at this PPV against the Bella Twins.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 17/October/2018 at 13:45
Quote Here is the updated WWE Evolution card after tonight's Raw. The PPV takes place on October 28, live from Uniondale, New York.
    WWE Raw Women's Title Match
    Ronda Rousey vs. Nikki Bella
    WWE Smackdown Women's Last Woman Standing Match
    Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair
    WWE NXT Women's Title Match
    Kairi Sane vs. Shayna Baszler
    Women's Tag Team Match
    Alexa Bliss & Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus & Lita
    Finals of the Mae Young Classic Tournament
    Women's Battle Royal
    Winner to receive a future Women's Title Shot
    Featuring: Ember Moon, Nia Jax, Tamina, Dana Brooke, Alicia Fox, Peyton Royce, Billie Kay, Asuka, Carmella, Naomi, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville, Lana, Torrie Wilson & others TBA
 
Becky and Charlotte need to close the show, as nothing else of value is on the card for me.
 
Rousey will not lose, NXT I don't watch and lots of oldies have been brought back to fill out the card.
 
I hope someone not full time on the roster wins the clusterfuck. Maybe for example Alexa/Mickie win, Trish gets pissed, enters to win the Battle Royal and then has a short fued for a few months with Ronda.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 17/October/2018 at 14:14
WWE advertised over 50 women would feature.

6 matches announced.

Great.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 25/October/2018 at 18:55
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Quote Here is the updated WWE Evolution card after tonight's Raw. The PPV takes place on October 28, live from Uniondale, New York.
    WWE Raw Women's Title Match
    Ronda Rousey vs. Nikki Bella
    WWE Smackdown Women's Last Woman Standing Match
    Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair
    WWE NXT Women's Title Match
    Kairi Sane vs. Shayna Baszler
    Women's Tag Team Match
    Alexa Bliss & Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus & Lita
    Finals of the Mae Young Classic Tournament
    Women's Battle Royal
    Winner to receive a future Women's Title Shot
    Featuring: Ember Moon, Nia Jax, Tamina, Dana Brooke, Alicia Fox, Peyton Royce, Billie Kay, Asuka, Carmella, Naomi, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville, Lana, Torrie Wilson & others TBA


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<FONT style=": #000000">Becky and Charlotte need to close the show, as nothing else of value is on the card for me.

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<FONT style=": #000000">Rousey will not lose, NXT I don't watch and lots of oldies have been brought back to fill out the card.

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<FONT style=": #000000">I hope someone not full time on the roster wins the clusterfuck. Maybe for example Alexa/Mickie win, Trish gets pissed, enters to win the Battle Royal and then has a short fued for a few months with Ronda.


Add Bayley, Nattie and Sasha vs The Riot Squad to the card.

It’s a solid enough line up but so much filler stuff, it’s supposed to be a ground breaking event for the ladies so why didn’t they set up Sasha vs Bayley and why isn’t Asuka in a major match?

Also I would have much rather seen Bliss/Trish and Lita/Mickie as singles matches. I understand the tag has been booked though as Alexa I think is still nursing a injury and Lita and Trish haven’t worked major singles matches in a long time.

In honesty there is only three matches I’m interested in, Ronda vs Nikki, Becky vs Charlotte and Baszler vs Sane.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 26/October/2018 at 04:22
Io Shirai vs Toni Storm ought to be a show stealer.

Aside from that I really wish Nikki Cross and Bianca Belair had a hardcore match.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 27/October/2018 at 14:55
Its a shame that Bliss has been pulled from the event due to injury because she is probably one of the key pioneers , for want of a better word, for the current womens movement in wrestling.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 27/October/2018 at 16:32
Did she get pulled completely? I know that's why they combined Bliss vs Trish, and Mickey vs Lita into a tag match, but I thought she was going to try and work through it. That sucks, if only because that's a match that kinda needed her to be relevant and the card isn't especially deep either.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 03:05
I think the only thing missing was a steal cage match between Nikki Cross and Bianca Belair with a thumb tack spot to be a 5 star event.

Charlotte vs Becky was obviously going to be the match to beat and it surpassed everything I was hoping for.

I wasn't expecting much from the Bellas, but Rousey dragged them to a pretty great match regardless.

Baszler is a beast and she and Sane were awesome. When Duke & Shafir got involved I was really hoping to see Asuka & Shirai come to Sane's rescue.

It was great to see Sasha being herself again, and that match which I would have taken as a throw-away was actually pretty damned good. I would really love to see Sasha get pushed back up the card a ways again.

The battle royal was fun, though I've no interest in seeing Jax vs Rousey again.

TBH I was pretty distracted from Storm vs Shirai by crap going on in the house at the time so I didn't get to watch this match very closely, so for that reason (and maybe that reason alone?) it was kind of a dud for me.

Mickey Foxx vs Trish & Lita was a total bore to me. I've never liked any of them, and they never generated any interest from me.

All in all I think that was a pretty damned good PPV. Room to improve, but not a snooze fest, and while there were some really amateurish looking botches at times, it didn't really detract a whole lot either, and really quite a lot of fun. Becky & Charlotte were the MotN, but all things considered I'm fine with Rousey taking the main event spot. She's turning into Kurt Angle. I found myself thinking: "Man, if she can drag Nikki Bella to this good of a match, what could she do with something that's actually good???"

I wish WWE hadn't dropped the ball on Asuka after wrestlemania just to feed her to Charlotte, because after the Royal Rumble, I was all about wanting to see Asuka vs Rousey, but now it just seems silly.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 15:13
Probably give it a 5/10 simply because Charlotte and Becky did well, even though when you can use weapons it's harder to not have a good match.

I think it was one backstage segment with Nikki and Brie? Could have had a few more to sell the night and the storylines.

Lots of filler matches. Don't care about the battle royal clusterfuck or the final of a competition I haven't watched.

Paige should have been part of the show in some way for her role and they could have done more to try and get the noticeable absentee AJ Lee for a night.

Didn't like the kayfabe breaking end of the show. No need for Steph to be front and centre surrounded by a load of women breaking character to suck up.

Bringing women back to be put over by those who bust their ass full time all year round.

Dragged on going towards three and a half hours long.

Can't even avoid Cole on a female only event. Could have had Renee do his job and Paige do what Renee did with Beth.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 15:36
I have to say I really enjoyed it and that’s coming from someone who isn’t that interested in women’s wrestling.

I did think they should have had a all female commentary team but my guess is Cole was put in there for the experience factor and there wasn’t enough confidence in Renee who is still new to the announce desk and the guest announcer Beth - who I thought did a very good job - to carry the commentary on their own for a whole show.

Paige not being there was strange, would have thought she’d be front and centre for such a ground breaking event for the ladies.

The opening tag match was the dud of the night, Bliss not being in the match killed a lot of the interest before it began as longtime jobber Alicia Fox and the veteran Mickie were never going to beat the part-time attractions.
As Rico said Trish and Lita were never that great in the ring, they were just the best of a bad bunch during a era where the bar wasn’t set very high for women’s wrestling, they also just had personalities that stood out and had a good connection with the fans that wasn’t based on their ring skill. There were a few botches and timing issues in this match and overall it all looked a bit sloppy. The crowd popped for the nostalgia acts but the match wasn’t good.

I enjoyed the battle royal, good bit of nostalgia particularly seeing Alundra Blayze back in a WWE ring, the final sequences were well worked and exciting.

Enjoyed the Mae Young final, solid hard hitting match and Toni Storm looks to have a bright future, was impressed.

The six woman tag was very good too, the talent involved put far more into this match than you normally see on Raw or Smackdown, they seemed less restricted and the result was a great match. Would have liked to have seen the Riot Squad go over and maybe Sasha Banks finally turn heel.

The NXT title match was another very solid effort and I’m glad they’ve put the belt back on Baszler as I’m a big fan of her work. They seemed to be teasing a Four Horsewomen match here too, interesting that this happens just before Survivor Series.

Becky vs Charlotte was excellent, best women’s match this year and match of the night without question. The ladies worked hard to do something special here and the ending was great and I loved that Becky went over clean with no screwy finish.

Ronda vs Nikki was watchable enough but it couldn’t follow Becky/Charlotte. I agree with Admin too that there wasn’t any need for the kayfabe breaking gathering on the stage at the end.

Great show, for me it was historical for two reasons, first I stayed up late to watch nearly all of a PPV live for the first time in I think over a decade, and second WWE have finally got my full interest in the women’s division.

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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 18:36
Haven't seen all the matches but I really believe the last woman standing match should have gone on last

Nikki was way too dominant in this match it should've been a 5 minute squash and send the diva packing even with Brie there.

Ronda's strength is impressive but then she also picked up triple h and he was a lot bigger then her as well.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 18:49
Im with Adders on this one and would give it probably 5/10 if that.

The card was not THAT good and i just dont get some of the reviews i have seen of it. 

Everything that stopped WWE having an all women card prior to tonight was justified in my opinion:

Low crowd - they claimed a sell out but you could tell by the dimmed lights and the subsequent images online that the venue was no where near sold out

Average matches - the only exceptions for me was NXT womens title and Becky Charlotte

Awful commentary - and i mean awful. Cole practically ignored Renee throughout the whole night, rarely responding to her and cutting her off with overly exaggerated comments about the relevant matches

Overly excessive clips on the Evolution - all these claims of wanting to be equal to the men, yet the men dont get deliberately dedicated events, video package after video package focused solely on the evolution

To add to the poor crowd in terms of attendance, they were pretty quiet i thought, only really voiced themselves truly during the Ronda Bella match

Honestly think this probably did more harm than good to the current state of womens wrestling


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 29/October/2018 at 22:00
Yeah it being a sell out was a blatant lie. From photos it looked about two thirds full, but E wouldn't want us talking about how the market just isn't there to sell out a female only event.

Darkening the crowd to hide the fact gave it a house show feel. I want to see fans reacting to what they are seeing, but this wasn't allowed.

Far too many botches from the women including Alicia Fox, Sasha Banks and Zelina Vega. But the worse was when Charlotte did a moonsault and the table didn't break. So to make it totally obvious to all that the spot was so heavily scripted and went wrong, she got back up and went to repeat the spot.


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