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Topic: Kevin Owens On Raw
Posted By: #Heel
Subject: Kevin Owens On Raw
Date Posted: 08/May/2018 at 18:46
So i was browsing and noticed Owens doesn't have his own "On Raw" Thread - theres the Universal Champion one and about 10 regarding feuds he has been involved in but nothing specific to Raw.

Anyways there was a reason i was looking - How good was his performance v Strowman on Raw?

Yes he lost, as does everyone who faces Strowman these days (unless your name is Brock Lesnar) but Owens put up a hell of a fight and got the best of it for large portions of that match.

I hope with the recent tension between him and Zayn as well as his additional TV time of late, they may start focusing him on singles competition again because he is super talented.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/May/2018 at 22:09
I agree that he and Zayn should not be a tag team, nor should they be tied to the hip. I'd rather just see them much like The Shield has been the last several months. They just have each other's backs and call that good enough. When a storyline makes sense to put them together, then do so otherwise leave it alone.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 16/May/2018 at 13:39
Quote Backstage, Owens complained to Angle and said that he deserves a rematch against Rollins. Owens threatened to call Stephanie McMahon. Angle said he was tired of Owens threatening him. Owens said it wasn’t a threat and pulled out his phone. Angle entered a room where Mahal was being treated by trainers. Mahal complained about Reigns attacking him. Angle said he gave Reigns the rest of the night off, but added that the qualifier must happen on this show. Mahal protested while wincing in pain…
 

Bobby Lashley and Elias were shown walking backstage while Cole said we’d find out who their opponent is after the break… [C]

8. Kevin Owens vs. Bobby Lashley vs. Elias in a Money in the Bank qualifying match. Cole said Stephanie was sticking it to Angle by giving Owens another shot even though he lost a qualifying match last week and an Intercontinental Championship match this week. Lashley cleared the ring and received some boos heading into an early break. [C]

[Overrun] There was a “Bobby’s Sisters” chant as he was working over Owens. Elias cleared the ring and asked for a mic, which drew a big pop from the fans. Elias grabbed his guitar and sat on the apron and told JoJo to hold the mic while he sang. The fans cheered, but Owens broke it up before he could sing.

At 10:20, Lashley set up Elias for his vertical suplex, but Owens broke it up. Lashley suplexed both men and the fans booed. Lashley performed running shoulder blocks on both men in opposite corners until Owens lifted a boot.

Later, Lashley hit the Dominator on Elias, but Sami Zayn came out and pulled him from the ring and ran him into the post. Zayn hit Lashley with a Helluva Kick. Owens hit a top rope frogsplash on Elias and pinned him to win the match…

Kevin Owens defeated Bobby Lashley and Elias in 13:00 to qualify for the Money in the Bank match.

Oh dear his boring Smackdown management storyline has been brought over to Raw Sleepy
 
I'm not even interested in seeing how Kurt gets his own back on him next week, for getting in contact with Stephanie Mcmahon.
 
I don't think anybody on the roster has dropped like a stone as much as he has over the past two years.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 16/May/2018 at 19:11
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

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I don't think anybody on the roster has dropped like a stone as much as he has over the past two years.

Bray Wyatt.

But yeah, it was obvious hed bring that storyline with him from the very minute he walked in he was giving it the "Stephanie picked me" shit

He needs to keep doing what hes doing in the ring but change his patter out of it because hes getting boring


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 18/May/2018 at 15:21
Seen a report that despite Kevin Owens recently signing a long term contract extension with WWE he has apparently been told by Vince McMahon that he needs to get in better shape or he will not be pushed above mid-card level, this may explain his current status. 

Vince McMahon is image obsessed, always has been always will be but on this occasion I think its fair to ask Owens to improve on his physical condition, he should look at Big Show and Bully Ray as inspiration as two guys who had weight issues for years but then put in the work and got into much better shape, Bray Wyatt is also a bit more trim looking these days, both Ray and Show were older than Owens too. 

Its clear that Owens will never look like Dolph Ziggler or Seth Rollins and noone should expect him to but its not unreasonable to expect him to look like a wrestler, I'm pretty sure with a bit more time and effort in the gym and with his diet he could improve his conditioning.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 21/May/2018 at 09:28
That report is as false as the other 50 times a week that you hear it. Owens was pushed heavily for the past two years against Jericho, Rollins, Reigns, a long run as Universal champion, US champion, matches against AJ Styles, Hell in a Cell against Shane and being a real focus of Smackdown for the latter part of last season. 

Now he's given back people are back to blaming Vince McMahon. Fans need to stop focussing on Owens' weight. Vince wouldn't let someone beat him up and make him bleed if he wasn't high on the guy.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 22/May/2018 at 14:15
Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

That report is as false as the other 50 times a week that you hear it. Owens was pushed heavily for the past two years against Jericho, Rollins, Reigns, a long run as Universal champion, US champion, matches against AJ Styles, Hell in a Cell against Shane and being a real focus of Smackdown for the latter part of last season. 

Now he's given back people are back to blaming Vince McMahon. Fans need to stop focussing on Owens' weight. Vince wouldn't let someone beat him up and make him bleed if he wasn't high on the guy.
 
Would be great to be as hated as Kevin Owens, who continues to be prominent such as getting in the MITB match LOL
 
Quote Kevin Owens vs. Roman Reigns: Owens starts off strong, but Reigns levels him with an uppercut and takes control. Reigns throws Owens to the outside and follows him out. Reigns throws a chop but Reigns no-sells it and drops Owens with a right hand on the floor. Reigns takes Owens back in the ring, but Owens goes right back outside for another breather. Reigns follows him out again and misses the Drive-By, and Owens capitalizes and takes Reigns back in the ring. Reigns fires up and hits some clotheslines in the corner. Owens fights back and charges, but Reigns hits a Superman punch out of nowhere. The fight spills outside again and then Jinder Mahal runs in out of nowhere. The ref calls for the DQ, and Seth Rollins runs in for the save.

Winner: No Contest

- This one gets turned into a tag match during the commercial break.

It's a shame what was a decent contest ended up being stopped before it got going.
 
If it had continued one on one Owens would have jobbed, but it would have been better than a tag match.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 22/May/2018 at 16:12
I was skimming through this match on Hulu. I saw Jinder attack so I stopped skimming to watch the finish, and ended up watching all of the resulting tag match. 

I am still very much looking forward to the return of Dean Ambrose, and I really hope that The Shield really do something good together soon.

It really seemed like Owens was inconsequential to that whole segment. It was like it was a well disguised attempt at fitting Owens into the show somewhere and nothing more. Same with Rollins I guess, except for my own desire to see The Shield get back together made his inclusion more important in my mind than it probably really was.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 01:35
I've said it before and will say it again, the best thing about Kevin's wrestling ability is his mouth.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 17:43
Kevin was gold on commentary this week.

He is absolutely perfect at getting people to dislike him because of the thing he says but in such a way that everyone remains interested in what he is actually saying - as opposed to fast forwarding through his segments.

I do also think he is super talented in the ring but alot of his in ring stuff is the smack talking to go along with a varied moveset.

He can take a bump too so looking forward to seeing him getting powerslammed through a ladder by Strowman


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 19:12
Super talented in the ring ? Not by a long shot unless you think a roll up , or a cannonball is talent. He does have that ability to get people not to like him. His mic work is fantastic , he in the ring work is why I don’t care much for him. 3 wrestling moves is about it. I don’t call a cannonball a wrestling move. Last I saw that was in a swimming pool. He doesn’t deserve any titles until he can wrestle better. The mic work is half the battle, the other is actual wrestling.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 19:14
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

Super talented in the ring ? Not by a long shot unless you think a roll up , or a cannonball is talent.

You really need to watch some of his stuff prior to the last few weeks. Even his stuff on Smackdown was quality ring work. His feud in NXT with Sami and the stuff they did pre WWE.

Do some research instead of making sweeping statements


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 19:19
It’s what I see in front of me now. Not what he did then. What he is doing now is not wrestling talent except his mic work. That’s not a sweeping statement , that’s a fact

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 19:21
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

It’s what I see in front of me now. Not what he did then. What he is doing now is not wrestling talent except his mic work. That’s not a sweeping statement , that’s a fact

His match for the IC title against Rollins a couple of weeks ago was fantastic you balloon


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/May/2018 at 19:23
Haha, balloon ? It’s all good , Kevin will remain where he is in the company , still doesn’t mean he can wrestle

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 30/May/2018 at 13:54
Originally posted by 4 of em 4 of em wrote:

It’s what I see in front of me now. Not what he did then. What he is doing now is not wrestling talent except his mic work. That’s not a sweeping statement , that’s a fact
 
We'd see a better Kevin Owens as a babyface. Vince doesn't like his heels to go all out in the ring, as he wants his babyfaces that sell the merchandise to look like the stars.
 
Quote Bobby Roode vs. Kevin Owens: The opening bell sounds and they immediately go at it. Roode fire up and throws Owens outside. Owens climbs up on the apron, but Roode drops him with a clothesline, and then follows him outside. Owens takes out Roode's leg and then whips him into the fan barricade. Owens follows up with a cannonball splash up against the barricade. Back in the ring, Roode continues the beat-down on Roode. Owens looks for a senton bomb, but Roode rolls out of the way. Roode and Owens trade right hands now until Roode his an elbow to the face. Roode follows up with the Blockbuster off the middle rope for a two count. Roode hits a clothesline in the corner and then looks for a neckbreaker, but Owens escapes. Owens looks for a Samoan drop, but Roode escapes and hits his neckbreaker. They fight up to the top rope and Roode knocks Owens down. Owens rolls out of the ring and Roode follows him then clotheslines him on the ramp. Back in the ring, Roode escapes a Pop-Up Powerbomb, but Owens rolls up Roode out of nowhere and steals the three count.

Winner: Kevin Owens

- Roode can't believe it as Owens celebrates at ringside. Before Owens can get up the ramp, Braun Strowman runs out and chases Owens around the ring. Strowman grabs Owens and drags him in the ring, then hits the running powerslam. Roode cheers on from the corner and calls for Strowman to give another powerslam, and Strowman obiges, then slams Owens down again. Roode celebrates until Strowman grabs him and hits the running powerslam on Bobby too. Strowman stands tall and looks at the briefcases hanging above the ring, then heads to the back.

He's had a good couple of weeks. A few strong wins now against strong calibre opponents.
 
An heel winning without needing to do an actual move, nevermind a finish is far more heelish.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 00:14
He remains entertaining in the mid-card. It's a good spot for him for now.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 31/May/2018 at 11:49
You won’t see the same standard of ring work on the main roster that you see in NXT, it’s very noticeable with guys like Owens and Nakamura.

Reasoning is simple, the main roster road schedule is far more physically taxing and talent need to tone down the ring style to avoid injury and exhaustion. Time constraints play a part as many televised matches are fairly short and also WWE don’t like mid-card matches upstaging the main event.

NXT has more of a indie style where talent can go full throttle in almost every match, the risk of injury is far less due to the much more relaxed travel schedule and Triple H knows his audience there and knows that working a standard WWE style would be quickly rejected by fans.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 01/June/2018 at 20:04
I'm hoping that this Owens/Stephanie connection will result in Owens vs Triple H at mania and the beginning of Owens' face run as the next Steve Austin.

Once that day comes it will be the beginning of a whole new age.


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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 02/June/2018 at 01:05
Austin , will be like Hogan or Flair , there isn't but one and not a next one.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 19/June/2018 at 18:52
Poor Kevin Owens - not only has he been destroyed by Strowman for weeks now - hes then been thrown off a 20ft ladder and now Braun is after him again.

Makes you wonder where this storyline is going give i expected Braun to move straight onto wheres Brock mode.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 29/August/2018 at 13:11
Quote Intercontinental Champion Seth Rollins comes down to the ring and gets on the mic. Rollins says he had to take care of family business last week, in beating down Braun with the Shield. Rollins says tonight is IC Title business. Rollins calls out anyone in the back to come face him for his IC Title right now. It appears Kevin Owens is answering the open challenge. Owens comes out to the stage and gets on the mic, and he complains about Rollins having his friend Ambrose by his side to win, and Owens not having his friend Sami Zayn by his side. Owens says if Sami was here and not injured, he would have taken Braun's Money In The Bank briefcase at SummerSlam. Owens says his summer has been terrible, but that ends tonight, because he's not leaving this building without some sort of Title belt. Owens gets a cheap pop for mentioning they're in Toronto tonight, but then he says Montreal would have been better, and he starts talking in French. Owens says he's taking Rollin's Title, and it's happening right now.

- Seth Rollins (c) vs. Kevin Owens: Rollins' IC Title is on the line in this one. The opening bell sounds and Owens starts off strong with a series of strikes. Owens pummels on Rollins in the corner until Rollins turns the tide and throws some strikes of his own. Owens looks for a clothesline, but Rollins dodges and tackles Owens then pummels on him. Rollins clotheslines Owens back down, and the challenger rolls outside for a breather. Rollins follows and they brawl around ringside now. Back in the ring, Owens turns it around with a DDT and a chin lock. The fight spills back out to ringside where Owens whips Rollins into the fan barricade, then slams his shoulder against the ring post. Back in the ring, Owens continues working over Rollins' arm. Owens takes Rollins back outside and whips him into the fan barricade, then Owens looks for a cannonball splash but misses. Back in ther ing, Rollins hits the sling blade, then he dumps Owens back outside and hits two suicide dives back to back. Rollins goes for a third suicide dive and Owens blocks it, but Rollins knocks Owens back and successfully hits another suicide dive. Back in the ring, Rollins hits a big frogsplash off the top for a two count. Owens fights back and looks for a crossface, and he locks it on on Rollins. Rollins reaches the ropes so Owens breaks the hold and stomps on him. Rollins dodges a shot and hits a superkick, but Owens fires back with a Stone Cold Stunner for a two count. They fight up to the top turnbuckle and Rollins looks for a sunset flip powerbomb, but Owens escapes and hits a superkick for a two count. Owens comes back and looks for a moonsault, but misses, and Rollins answers with a curb stomp for the three count.
Winner & still IC Champion: Seth Rollins

- Braun Strowman confronts Baron Corbin backstage and gives him his briefcase to officially cash it in in advance for Hell In A Cell.
- Back from the break, Owens is still sitting in the ring on a chair now. He looks disappointed after his loss. Owens is says "I Quit" and storms out of the ring and exits beside the stage.

After he said he's quits, we got nothing Confused No backstage interviewer like Renee trying to get a word from him Confused 
 
No mention of him quiting from the announce team Confused No recap video of what happened for those that missed it Confused
 
We know it's storyline as he's just signed a new long term contract. But he's been comedy or jobber or both for that long, that he needs repackaging.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 29/August/2018 at 17:44
Betcha he's joining the new Wyatt Family.

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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/August/2018 at 18:59
Ya remember when they tried it with Daniel Bryan ? Think it would work this time ?

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 29/August/2018 at 20:07
Seen a report that he will be Paul Heyman’s new client. I’m fine with that as Owens needs to get back to being all about business being a prize fighter, his character has become too cowardly and comedic in recent times.

Hopefully with Heyman he will be more like the bad ass we saw when he was in NXT. Some time off tv will be good to allow the memories of all his recent losses to fade.

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Posted By: 4 of em
Date Posted: 29/August/2018 at 21:36
Hmmm , now that would be interesting. Paul is too good not to be involved on tv somehow.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 30/August/2018 at 11:50
A little off topic but my top picks for Heyman would be.....

Bobby Lashley
Cesaro
Kevin Owens
Lars Sullivan(NXT)
Drew McIntyre

Owens is a good choice and a smart way to revamp his character a little and give him a fresh push to the top.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 01/January/2020 at 11:43
I'm enjoying his storyline with Seth and the AOP which now seems to be building a alliance between KO, Samoa Joe and Rey Mysterio, but I'm still not entirely sold on Owens as a babyface.
I liked the idea of him as a anti-authority type character and its worked well at times but Owens just hasn't been edgy enough showing too much emotion and vulnerability, he needs to go full Austin bad ass for it to work.

Otherwise I would say Owens is definitely more effective as a heel, his best work for me is still as the heel prize fighter in NXT.

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