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Topic: Old gimmicks that should be used again.
Posted By: Fletch
Subject: Old gimmicks that should be used again.
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 17:29
Having watched wrestling now since 1991 I was thinking about some old school gimmicks/characters that could be used or at least used for inspiration by some of today’s talent.

Here’s a few.....

Goldberg - This has been tried, Bobby Lashley was loosely based on Goldberg and then later Ryback. It didn’t work with Lashley because he was just too green and lacking in intensity and personality. Ryback worked better but unfortunately fans recognised the Goldberg similarities and started the annoying Goldberg chants at Ryback, then a combination of that, Ryback’s green and sometimes dangerous ring style and a few backstage issues persuaded WWE to go in a different direction with his character.

Who would be a good fit for it now? Lars Sullivan in NXT perhaps but he needs a bit more polish and he doesn’t have quite the same superhero action man look that Goldberg had.
Another attempt with Lashley perhaps if he were to return to WWE? He has sharpened up his all round act in the years since his departure and works the required power/athleticism/MMA style.
Alistair Black could portray a similar intense character who despatches his opponents quickly and for some reason I think Drew McIntyre could make this type of character work, not sure why though.

Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner - For me this was the perfect gimmick for Ryback and still would be if he ever returned, have him work heel and brag how he’s a genetic freak, have him do the push ups in the ring and adopt similar mannerisms.

The Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels - Early Shawn complete with the mirror and valet Im talking about. They started it with Tyler Breeze but then Vince decided Breeze had no business being anything more than a comedy jobber.
I still think Breeze could make a success of this in a mid-card role if management give him the chance.

The Undertaker/Kane - The only guy so far to do anything like this is Bray Wyatt and to me he’s still more Mankind than The Undertaker. In NXT Alistair Black is a very dark and demonic character that could draw comparisons. I did think for a while Baron Corbin could be successful as a American Bad Ass Undertaker style character.
At some point somebody will surely try to replicate the gimmick but it’s probably too soon right now.

Stone Cold Steve Austin - It would be impossible for someone to portray a carbon copy of Austin until enough time has passed that he has faded from the memory of current fans, but it will be decades before that happens. Of the current roster I think Samoa Joe could be excellent drawing inspiration from Austin as a bad ass anti authority type.


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Posted By: LennyComa
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 17:52
I would say the Rock but I can't think of anyone on the roster that can hold a candle to him  charisma wise and Miz already did the Hollywood Rock bit. 

Mr Perfect...Wait Tye Dillenger is kinda doing that

I think Bobby Roode could pull off a great Iceman Dean malenko Gimmick as a Lady Killer but his Glorious Bobby Roode is doing it for him atm.

I would like to see a new Cerberal Assassin gimmick Just again not sure who could fit that atm...maybe Baron Corbin


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 18:27
I think heel Bobby Roode is a more flamboyant version of the cerebral assassin, kind of like if you morphed Ric Flair and Triple H into one person. Roode’s ring style is very Triple H too.

One I didn’t mention was Ravishing Rick Rude, classic heel character that someone should definitely try and replicate. Can’t think of anyone off hand who would be a good fit for it though. Val Venis was another I really liked but think he was perhaps a bit too attitude era for now.

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Posted By: MUSA
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 18:40
 

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 18:48
Actually, I think Paige would be fantastic with the Stone Cold character and being a woman, she's even less likely to get people ranting about someone 'ripping off' Austin's gimmick. She frequently embodies the "DTA" side of Stone Cold, and I would expect that sooner rather than later Paige will turn on Mandy & Sonya.

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Asuka is more or less already working Goldberg's gimmick. She just works matches better, that's all. I noticed that when Asuka got in the ring with Alexa Bliss, the fans were chanting "Asuka's gonna kill you" so I really can't think of many people better suited to the gimmick, nor stands a better chance of pulling it off.

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I'm assuming this thread is coming from my mention of how Ryback could have gotten over using the old school promo style of whisper, scream, laugh that used to be employed by guys like Savage, Sid, Warrior, Steiner, & The Anvil to varying degrees and levels of success. Lars Sullivan may very well be a prime candidate for that style of promo, and as he's still unproven and unsettled in any gimmick it is an even better fit.

However, I think it could work for Braun Strowman too, and perhaps even push him to yet a higher level of success than he is already enjoying. Though to be fair, I would admit it doesn't QUITE seem like a perfect fit there, but he's good enough I think he could pull it off.

Ryback was just custom made for that style, and I don't know if anyone could pull it off better than Ryback could have.

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I think Fandango's dancer gimmick still has a chance at getting over if they were to allow a little more creative input from Johnny Curtis. The pop culture dancer gimmick has worked twice before, and once so spectacularly well grown men now dress up as the wrestlers gimmick for Halloween.

First you had Ricki Starr, who dressed as a prima ballerina back in the 1950's and 60's and he was a mainstay babyface in those days despite his overwhelmingly gay overtones. 

Then came The Macho Man who dressed as a disco dancer and it helped Randy Savage make it into stardom in the 70's and early 80's before he really made it big and morphed into the "Macho Man" people remember him for today.

Then came the ill-fated Disco Inferno, who, instead of being an evolution of the gimmick was a rippoff sibling gimmick of the Macho Man.

Since then, no one has really used the dancer gimmick to any affect. Fandango got over momentarily by starting those little dance moves, but then Fandango drifted off into obscurity before becoming a part of the Fashion Police/Breezango. 

If he were to go back to being a singles competitor, re-focusing on being the dancer and taking things in a different direction might just help him get to the next level. Curtis is a very funny man, and I still feel like they're just scraping the surface of what he has to offer in that department.

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Another guy who evolved from Ricki Starr was Goldust, this time focusing on the homo-erotic side of the gimmick, then the gimmick recently evolved again with Patrick Clark from the last season of Tough Enough playing the role of the Velveteen Dream. Yet again, that gimmick is getting over.


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One final gimmick I'd like to mention is one that's never really been done well, if at all, and that's the douchey hipster. Both Daniel Bryan and Sami Zayn would be perfect for the role, Sami Zayn now moreso than ever being as he is a heel. Zayn comes out still being obnoxious wearing that that fucking annoying hat, if he were to just wear thick rimmed glasses as a fashion statement, and golfer's pants, with a sweater and talking about how conformist everyone is, and how when he does things that conform to society he is doing it ironically, and how he drives a prius and is vegan so he's better than everyone, the heat he would get would be spectacular.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 19:20
Yeah Zayn would be excellent at that, I enjoyed Bryan as the heel preaching his healthy lifestyle and morals, I also enjoyed CM Punk’s heel straight edge gimmick which was a similar kind of character.

I’m actually loving Zayn as a heel how he’s hamming up his former babyface character to the point of being extremely obnoxious. The silly annoying dance moves, the soppy dress sense, it’s all great stuff.

I think when Velveteen Dream makes it to the main roster Golddust could be his manager/mentor.

Goldberg is a tough one to replicate because when they try it’s obvious they are trying to produce the next Goldberg, but I just love the dominant power based style. Ryback didn’t pull it off because despite being a large intimidating looking guy with a strong power game he didn’t bring that same intensity and there was always something a little comedic about him while Goldberg was all business. That’s why I think Ryback would have found his natural home as the genetic freak Steiner-esque character.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 20:07
If you look further back you could easily pull of a Ted DiBiase style of gimmick too and that would be a massive heat magnet in the current climate. WWE is also crying out for a Piper/Austin kind of figure too. Closest they got at the moment is Ambrose but i'm not sure if they'd just let him go for it though.

Velveteen has a mix of Goldust and Randy Savage so we'll see how that goes but he's certainly a standout character at the moment.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 21:03
The Million Dollar Man gimmick ... well it did so/so when Alberto Del Rio and Ricardo Rodriquez did it. I agree that it could do well again, but I think Vince has that gimmick taken ATM.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 30/December/2017 at 21:35
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The Million Dollar Man gimmick ... well it did so/so when Alberto Del Rio and Ricardo Rodriquez did it. I agree that it could do well again, but I think Vince has that gimmick taken ATM.

Wasn't quite the same with Bertie doing it, not sure why, it just didn't feel right. Maybe it was because he was pushed down our throats so much at the start...I don't know though.

WWE could also do with investing in the big agile man in the mould of Bam Bam/Bossman again. Haven't really had one of those since Umaga.


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Posted By: MUSA
Date Posted: 31/December/2017 at 02:06
 

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 31/December/2017 at 03:05
I think Kevin Owens is supposed to be this generations Bam Bam Bigelow.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 31/December/2017 at 12:47
Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

WWE totally had the opportunity to have the "big agile man" in Mike Awesome (when they purchased WCW), but for some reason, they never saw anything in the big man.  It's a shame, Mike Awesome was amazing.


Yeah I don’t know what went wrong with Mike Awesome, he had all the tools to be a big star in WWE, backstage/personal problems perhaps?

I loved athletic super-heavyweights like Bam Bam and Vader. I would say Kevin Owens is in that mold but he’s not really a super-heavyweight, he’s just a largish guy who lacks the traditional ripped physique. Down in NXT there is Killian Dain who fits the bill.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 31/December/2017 at 20:23
Yeah, I agree about Killian Dane. What that guy did during WarGames was eye opening. I had no idea who he was before he debuted in NXT, but damn if he didn't have a great showcase at WarGames.

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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 01/January/2018 at 06:51
Million Dollar Man for sure, but I'd throw in a twist. Instead of the rich heel, I would do a rich babyface who would kayfabe buy TV time for lower card guys and also would pay heels to not interfere in matches.


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 01/January/2018 at 16:05
Sounds like a tweak to Shane McMahon to me. ;)

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 01/January/2018 at 16:42
I actually liked Del Rio as the Mexican Million Dollar Man, it all went wrong for him after they dropped the gimmick and just made him into a generic Mexican heel.

JBL was also not too far removed from the Million Dollar Man gimmick.

Killian Dain has the makings of a top super-heavyweight star, he never speaks which makes me think promos are not his strength but then that’s why it’s smart to keep him as part of the Sanity group, it seems he’s the solo guy while Young and Wolfe are the team.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 01/January/2018 at 18:01
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I actually liked Del Rio as the Mexican Million Dollar Man, it all went wrong for him after they dropped the gimmick and just made him into a generic Mexican heel.

JBL was also not too far removed from the Million Dollar Man gimmick.
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I agree on the Del Rio Million Dollar sort of gimmick.

WWE seem to love ruining foreign characters by making them as stereotypical as you could possibly imagine.

Any Mexican Luchador is automatically a mega babyface and any other foreign wrestler is a heel who is only ever content when disrespecting America

Yes i suppose its an easy formula to guarantee heat but they need to try and mix things up a bit


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Posted By: Kondor
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 17:19
Excellent topic idea, Fletch. Thumbs Up I have a lot to respond to here and then I have a few gimmick return ideas of my own that I would love to see. 

Of course, the thing to remember here is that, as has come up in the conversation, the key is how well the individual talent can perform and pull off the gimmick. This thread already has mentioned examples of gimmicks not working to their fullest due to the way it was ran with, such as in my opinion Ryback more or less emulating what Goldberg did. I was thinking earlier about Brian Pillman, regardless of what his gimmick is, his inner personality and the way his mind worked made whatever he was doing magical. The execution is just as important as the gimmick itself. That being said...   

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner - For me this was the perfect gimmick for Ryback and still would be if he ever returned, have him work heel and brag how he’s a genetic freak, have him do the push ups in the ring and adopt similar mannerisms. 

I just want to add that Scott Steiner's look and gimmick (and he would probably admit it) was heavily molded after Superstar Billy Graham's gimmick of being a bleach blonde "genetic freak" with headgear and lots of arrogance to match their muscles.  

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I think heel Bobby Roode is a more flamboyant version of the cerebral assassin, kind of like if you morphed Ric Flair and Triple H into one person. Roode’s ring style is very Triple H too.
 

Actually when I first saw Roode's "Glorious Bobby Roode" gimmick, the first thing I thought of was Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff. Maybe it's the robe, but also the overall demeanor.  

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

One I didn’t mention was Ravishing Rick Rude, classic heel character that someone should definitely try and replicate. Can’t think of anyone off hand who would be a good fit for it though. Val Venis was another I really liked but think he was perhaps a bit too attitude era for now.

I agree with the comparisons of Rude to Venis. Both played the role of hip swiveling ladies man. 


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:


Asuka is more or less already working Goldberg's gimmick. She just works matches better, that's all. I noticed that when Asuka got in the ring with Alexa Bliss, the fans were chanting "Asuka's gonna kill you" so I really can't think of many people better suited to the gimmick, nor stands a better chance of pulling it off.

This is very interesting that you bring this comparison up and see Asuka that way. I myself would never have this comparison come in my head with the obvious differences in in ring skill between Asuka and Goldberg. I see Asuka as an ass kicker, but with her level of danger coming in the form of her amazing speed and knowledge of submissions. In that respect I would see her as more similar to Kurt Angle than anyone I can think of. But I can see how you would arrive at a comparison to Goldberg. This goes to show how everyone sees things different. But yes I can see the connection. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think Fandango's dancer gimmick still has a chance at getting over if they were to allow a little more creative input from Johnny Curtis. The pop culture dancer gimmick has worked twice before, and once so spectacularly well grown men now dress up as the wrestlers gimmick for Halloween.

First you had Ricki Starr, who dressed as a prima ballerina back in the 1950's and 60's and he was a mainstay babyface in those days despite his overwhelmingly gay overtones. 

Then came The Macho Man who dressed as a disco dancer and it helped Randy Savage make it into stardom in the 70's and early 80's before he really made it big and morphed into the "Macho Man" people remember him for today.

Then came the ill-fated Disco Inferno, who, instead of being an evolution of the gimmick was a rippoff sibling gimmick of the Macho Man.

Since then, no one has really used the dancer gimmick to any affect. Fandango got over momentarily by starting those little dance moves, but then Fandango drifted off into obscurity before becoming a part of the Fashion Police/Breezango. 

If he were to go back to being a singles competitor, re-focusing on being the dancer and taking things in a different direction might just help him get to the next level. Curtis is a very funny man, and I still feel like they're just scraping the surface of what he has to offer in that department.

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Another guy who evolved from Ricki Starr was Goldust, this time focusing on the homo-erotic side of the gimmick, then the gimmick recently evolved again with Patrick Clark from the last season of Tough Enough playing the role of the Velveteen Dream. Yet again, that gimmick is getting over.

I absolutely love the journey through history with Ricki Starr as the rather effeminate ballet dancer. Starr was a top gimmick and top draw of the 50's. The first guy I thought of when I saw Fandango was The Honky Tonk Man, as they both have musical based characters that generate heat when they dance. But I can see the link to Ricki Starr. Of course the obvious forerunners to Goldust are guys like Gorgeous George and Adorable Adrian Adonis, all effeminate sometimes cross dressing characters complete with make up, sometimes flowers, and women's underwear who drew attention with all these antics yet were tough in the ring once the bell rang. 

On a side note Stardust was by far my favorite gimmick for Cody. And I love this trek through history that we're taking. 

As for some old gimmicks that I would love to see resurface in today's WWE... 

I was watching one of the WWE documentaries on On Demand where Shawn Michaels mentioned that many of the gimmicks wrestlers used that epitomized a foreign country would never fly today with how culture has changed (more or less increased political correctness.) Shawn specifically mentioned the ceremonial salt that Mr. Fuji used to use. Rene Young chimed in that today's society has become a lot more sensitive. I know that in this thread #Heel mentioned his dislike for such gimmicks, citing how the gimmick stereotyped the country. I know that a lot of people feel this way. 

But I for one, being an old school fan, would love for some of those gimmicks to return. In fact I almost started a thread about it myself, as I feel such gimmicks are missing from today's wrestling. Probably the closest such gimmick today is Jinder Mahal. We know that the WWE is looking to Mahal to champion India and her people (and of course simultaneously cash in on the Indian market.) What is the difference between championing the ideals of a nation and "stereotyping" that nation? Perhaps it's in the way it's carried out, as said the execution. But then again with me being an old school fan who is sick of political correctness, I don't see "stereotyping" a nation as a bad thing anyway, especially if the wrestler is a bad guy. Wrestling is not supposed to be pretty, and if the heel pissed off or offended the audience, the heel did his job.  

Here are some specific examples of gimmicks I would love to see return in some way, representing a foreign nation or not... 

Kamala that Ugandan Headhunter - I would love to see a wrestler portray a clueless savage garbed in native hunting attire complete with a spear and a shield and whom can barely speak English. A gimmick like that is missing from today. It doesn't matter what country he's from, but somewhere in Africa would do fine. 

Chief Jay Strongbow - Now for the record I have never cared for Strongbow in the ring (he sucked;) but I think we need a good Native American gimmick complete with feathers on his head and doing a war dance. Tatanka was the most recent thing to that. 

Muhammad Hassan - I know what you're thinking; but it doesn't have to be that bad. There have been essays, including on this board, about how his character could have generated an insane amount of heat had he stayed around. The sad thing is that everything the character Hassan said was right. His character was introduced in 2004. At the time, only three years removed from September 11, many people were stereotyping followers of Islam, eyeing them different in a prejudice manner, and treating them different (what today would be called Islamaphobia.) I actually think had Hassan stuck around he could have been a face after a few years once society grew that political correctness. Also, a lot of Hassan's heat in the locker room was due to the fact many felt he hadn't paid his dues (yes, I know this could be a whole thread within itself.)     

Now some less stereotypical ones... 

Ultimate Warrior - I loved the Warrior and I have not seen anyone with quite the same character as him, not just in terms of intensity but speaking in broad spectrum terms encapsulating the entire universe while relating what he was saying to his current opponent. Based on what past people have stated, I apparently appear to be the only TUPeep who completely understands his promos.  

Bad News Brown - The dude was just awesome and massively underrated. I see his gimmick as being a no nonsense ass kicking street fighter. This is NOT the same thing as an MMA fighter.

Maven - What I mean by this is an inspirational underdog. By the way I can see a lot of Virgil in Maven. 

King Kong Bundy - The way I see it one of the saddest things in today's wrestling is how few big men there are in terms of knowing how to use one's heavy weight to squash people while looking fierce and intimidating your opponent while doing so. Big Show is the closest but he doesn't quite do it the same as Bundy did. I didn't mention Andre as there is and never will be anyone like him and all comparisons to him, while inevitable, are unfair. 

Demolition/Powers of Pain - I would love a good tag team (or individual) with spikes on their outfits, face paint, and lots of muscle who can just pound the shit out of their opponents.   


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 17:39
Some great choices there Kon. I was a huge fan of Muhammad Hassan, that guy had it, he had the look, charisma and he was so smooth and natural in that gimmick, he generated nuclear heat. Was such a shame WWE had to take it a step too far and the network banned the character. I guess it could be argued Jinder is a Indian version of this gimmick but he’s a very watered down version. I would love to see somebody go full throttle with the Arab-American gimmick again.

Demolition/Powers of Pain is a good shout, they tried with the Ascension but the execution was poor and it failed.

In another thread it was discussed briefly about Apollo Crews being rebooted as a Goldberg type. I think that could work. Have Apollo adopt a much more serious and intense approach, maybe grow a beard to help disguise the fresh faced smiley persona, then destroy his opponents with his power and athleticism.

Not sure if The Ultimate Warrior could be replicated, he was very much one of a kind. But I would love to see someone try.

The King Kong Bundy monster heel has been tried several times, some with success Yokozuna was that type of wrestler who used his massive weight to inflict pain, Yoko of course was also the stereotypical foreigner heel. But then you also had the likes of Viscera who only had moderate success.

Yeah Steiner definitely took influence from Billy Graham and I still think Ryback could pull this gimmick off very well. The only real difference is Ryback doesn’t have Steiners level of in ring talent or amateur background.

A couple more of my old favourites I’d love to see brought back to life would be Razor Ramon, excellent character portrayed by a ultra talented guy in Scott Hall, would be a tough act to follow. Carlito Caribbean Cool I think was loosely based on it.

Haku/Umaga the Samoan savage character is another one I liked. Easy one to duplicate too and plenty of candidates with the list of guys with Samoan ancestry out there.

Jake the Snake Roberts was another I loved but not sure a talent could get away with throwing a huge Snake around in the ring like Jake used to, think that might be frowned upon these days.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 22:22
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Asuka is more or less already working Goldberg's gimmick. She just works matches better, that's all. I noticed that when Asuka got in the ring with Alexa Bliss, the fans were chanting "Asuka's gonna kill you" so I really can't think of many people better suited to the gimmick, nor stands a better chance of pulling it off.

This is very interesting that you bring this comparison up and see Asuka that way. I myself would never have this comparison come in my head with the obvious differences in in ring skill between Asuka and Goldberg. I see Asuka as an ass kicker, but with her level of danger coming in the form of her amazing speed and knowledge of submissions. In that respect I would see her as more similar to Kurt Angle than anyone I can think of. But I can see how you would arrive at a comparison to Goldberg. This goes to show how everyone sees things different. But yes I can see the connection.

As soon as someone starts talking about someone's undefeated streak I make the connection to Goldberg, then when they mentioned that Asuka was going to/had surpassed Goldberg's streak by the number of matches it was reinforced even further. 

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think Fandango's dancer gimmick still has a chance at getting over if they were to allow a little more creative input from Johnny Curtis. The pop culture dancer gimmick has worked twice before, and once so spectacularly well grown men now dress up as the wrestlers gimmick for Halloween.

First you had Ricki Starr, who dressed as a prima ballerina back in the 1950's and 60's and he was a mainstay babyface in those days despite his overwhelmingly gay overtones. 

Then came The Macho Man who dressed as a disco dancer and it helped Randy Savage make it into stardom in the 70's and early 80's before he really made it big and morphed into the "Macho Man" people remember him for today.

Then came the ill-fated Disco Inferno, who, instead of being an evolution of the gimmick was a rippoff sibling gimmick of the Macho Man.

Since then, no one has really used the dancer gimmick to any affect. Fandango got over momentarily by starting those little dance moves, but then Fandango drifted off into obscurity before becoming a part of the Fashion Police/Breezango. 

If he were to go back to being a singles competitor, re-focusing on being the dancer and taking things in a different direction might just help him get to the next level. Curtis is a very funny man, and I still feel like they're just scraping the surface of what he has to offer in that department.

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Another guy who evolved from Ricki Starr was Goldust, this time focusing on the homo-erotic side of the gimmick, then the gimmick recently evolved again with Patrick Clark from the last season of Tough Enough playing the role of the Velveteen Dream. Yet again, that gimmick is getting over.

I absolutely love the journey through history with Ricki Starr as the rather effeminate ballet dancer. Starr was a top gimmick and top draw of the 50's. The first guy I thought of when I saw Fandango was The Honky Tonk Man, as they both have musical based characters that generate heat when they dance. But I can see the link to Ricki Starr. Of course the obvious forerunners to Goldust are guys like Gorgeous George and Adorable Adrian Adonis, all effeminate sometimes cross dressing characters complete with make up, sometimes flowers, and women's underwear who drew attention with all these antics yet were tough in the ring once the bell rang. 

On a side note Stardust was by far my favorite gimmick for Cody. And I love this trek through history that we're taking.

I totally blanked on Gorgeous George & Adorable Adrian. You're absolutely right about them.

I can see the Honky Tonk Man similarities too, but as he was more of a musician that would dance than just a dancer. I would say Elias has more in common with Honky Tonk Man than Fandango.

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

As for some old gimmicks that I would love to see resurface in today's WWE... 

Kamala that Ugandan Headhunter - I would love to see a wrestler portray a clueless savage garbed in native hunting attire complete with a spear and a shield and whom can barely speak English. A gimmick like that is missing from today. It doesn't matter what country he's from, but somewhere in Africa would do fine.
I loved the Ugandan Giant gimmick, especially with the handler AND a manager. It really made him seem like a feral human who had more in common with King Kong than that of a wrestler I wonder if there would be a way to bring that forward somehow without pissing of the sponsors...

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Demolition/Powers of Pain - I would love a good tag team (or individual) with spikes on their outfits, face paint, and lots of muscle who can just pound the shit out of their opponents.   

I think after the rejection by the fans of the Ascension's main roster gimmick, we won't see it revisited again anytime soon.

I'm still bitter over the fans rejecting them too as they are such an incredibly good tag team, and their Underworld gimmick that made them seem like a tag team of Undertakers was great, but I suppose it was their similarities to the Brothers of Destruction that ultimately led to them getting repackaged. Can't have a tag team who comes out wearing trenchcoats in blue lighting and talking about dark mystical themes.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 22:31
Yeah you might be right there, the similarities to The Undertaker may have been what made WWE repackage The Ascension into a Powers of Pain tribute act, the lost of Cameron hurt the team and then the repackaging all but killed them, now they are the comedy side-kicks of Breezango. I think it’s a matter of time before Conor and Victor get future endeavoured in honesty.

The original Ascension in NXT was like a morph of the Brood and the Ministry, the Brood was another great gimmick I’d like to see re-visited.

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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 22:35
I think a lot of the old gimmicks wouldn't work in todays world of WWE they would be too corny. 


I think a good gimmick for a wrestler these days is let them be themselves out there let them show their mic skills and wrestling in a heelish or faceish way to help get them over and they could maybe get over with a catch phrase (Daniel Brian) or just with pure wrestling (AJ Styles).

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Posted By: Kondor
Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 08:18
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Demolition/Powers of Pain is a good shout, they tried with the Ascension but the execution was poor and it failed.


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think after the rejection by the fans of the Ascension's main roster gimmick, we won't see it revisited again anytime soon.

I actually completely forgot about the Ascension when I wrote that. Anyway I hate it how they came on and claimed that they were better than the Powers of Pain right off the bat (or were told to do so.) I see what they were doing and why they went with it, and of course it didn't hurt the Powers of Pain's legacy to be compared to a far inferior team; but it's still cheap. As a fan, I would much rather have a team (or a singles competitor) earn their keep and then wait till the fans or someone else compares them to such and such. 

That all being said, I would still like to see a gimmick like The Powers of Pain used again; but you guys are right that it may be a while due to the Ascension. 
 
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

The King Kong Bundy monster heel has been tried several times, some with success Yokozuna was that type of wrestler who used his massive weight to inflict pain, Yoko of course was also the stereotypical foreigner heel. But then you also had the likes of Viscera who only had moderate success.

There are certainly similarities with Yoko to Bundy, such as them using their weight; but I see them as two separate "gimmicks" as Yoko was supposed to imitate a Sumo wrestler and is a little more technical I'd say. The closest to Bundy I'd seen since he retired for me was actually Brodus Clay in his in ring style, at least in his big push in early 2012. But I would imagine most fans see Clay primarily as a dancer.  


Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

A couple more of my old favourites I’d love to see brought back to life would be Razor Ramon, excellent character portrayed by a ultra talented guy in Scott Hall, would be a tough act to follow. Carlito Caribbean Cool I think was loosely based on it.

Haku/Umaga the Samoan savage character is another one I liked. Easy one to duplicate too and plenty of candidates with the list of guys with Samoan ancestry out there.

Jake the Snake Roberts was another I loved but not sure a talent could get away with throwing a huge Snake around in the ring like Jake used to, think that might be frowned upon these days.

Good suggestions, I absolutely LOVED Haku from his early days as an areal wrestler, he's still in my top ten favorites of all time. I see Haku as more sophisticated or for lack of a better word more civilized and Umaga more savage as akin to Kamala. 

It would be great to see someone take a gimmick similar to Razor Ramon or Jake the Snake. To me the closest I've seen to Razor's tough and arrogant Caribbean gimmick is Armando Alejandro Estrrrrrraaaaaaada.  

If anyone is going to match Jake's personality he would have to be very good at psychology. Jake was really a once in a lifetime talent with the way he can deliver an interview or promo, as well as with his methodical ring work. I think Bray Wyatt is apt to come to most fans' minds as the closest to anything like that in both respects; but not even he is on the level of Jake. I think if the WWF allowed Raven to say some of the same things he said in ECW he would have matched that style of speech the most. But yes, anyone can use a snake or another pet as a gimmick and against opponents. 

Since we're talking about gimmicks that have repeated each other, Luke Harper & Eric Rowan's current gimmick in the Bludgeon Brothers reminds me of the Moondogs.   

Also, I've thought of another gimmick I would love to see return as per the original topic. 

Chyna - Not just in the sense of a strong dominant women wrestler, the comparisons have been made with Nia Jax today; but I mean in the sense of that strong dominant woman wrestler who regularly competes with men. Once Chyna moved from just being Hunter's bodyguard and stepped into the ring, she wasn't in the women's division. She was regularly competing in the men's division, going up against men and teaming with them, competing in the King of the Ring and Royal Rumble. Chyna was even Intercontinental Champion. 

We've had some women enter the Rumble since Chyna like Beth Phoenix or Kharma; but I would love to see a female competitor today outright enter the men's division. I have long actually thought this would be a good move for Asuka. But I'm sure it could also work for Nia.    


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 10:01
Beth Phoenix I thought was going to be the new Chyna but I dont know what went wrong with her she just seemed to fall out of favour with management and was de-pushed. She also started acting too feminine rather than a female bad ass like Chyna.

I would like to see another Brood type group, its funny seeing Edge and Christian on their show make fun of their early days as part of that group as I actually enjoyed them alongside Gangrel in the Vampire inspired faction. With the popularity of vampires in shows like True Blood and the Vampire Diaries as well as the Twilight movies you'd think WWE creative would have jumped on this.

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Posted By: LennyComa
Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 13:38
A new brood would be sweet but who would you put in it. Especially with sANITY being on the rise. I would guess Elias, Bray, Balor and Paige but that would be too many big names IMO. Not sure who on the undercard you could bring into a group like that.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 14:37
Was thinking it could be a good reboot for the Ascension maybe, something needs to be done to save their careers so why not repackage them under this gimmick? Nothing to lose really.

As for the leader not sure, Bray’s gimmick is dark enough and he could do with a change of direction but I’m just not sure about him. They need someone from NXT perhaps that would be comfortable doing a Gangrel type character.

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Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 15:20
 


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 27/January/2018 at 15:23
Have you guys seen Shayna Baszler in her new character she developed since the women's tournament ended? Since she debuted in NXT she is the living embodiment of everything I remember Chyna for, except she is legit. She reminds me of two people, Chyna and Brock Lesnar, and surprisingly I really dig it. She is good at making you want to hate her and want to see her get her ass kicked, but too good to expect to see it happen. She is perfect for an underdog babyfaces opponent.

She is still green when it comes to ring psychology, but she is not terrible with promos so far it seems.

I suppose it depends on what you remember Chyna for though.

I remember Chyna most fondly for the early days of DX, and not her romances and heavy makeup and fake boobs. When she looked like she was a bigger badass than triple H she was great. That was a short time period in her run, but seeing her taking it to stone Cold, Foley and others was good... The Eddie, X-Pac and all that stuff was terrible.

Baszler to my mind is already on par with Chyna at her best and I expect to see Baszler in the Royal Rumble this weekend and have and impressive run.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 12/February/2018 at 15:45
If they break up Breezango(which I think they will sooner or later) then I would like to see Tyler Breeze reboot his character based on Shawn Michaels' early singles run as The Heartbreak Kid. This was a decent gimmick and I liked how Breeze modernised it with the addition of the selfie stick rather than a full length mirror like HBK used to have.

Also I was thinking perhaps Fandango could adopt a Rick Rude style character where he drops the dancing and goes for more of a vain narcissistic character who insults the crowd while he poses Rude style.

These two would likely only be mid-card at best but theres nothing wrong with that, only a select few get to main event and I think it would still give them a higher status than they currently have.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 12/February/2018 at 19:16
Fandango is so funny IRL that I think he will continue to be an active part of the WWE, Tyler Breeze, not so much.




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