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Sami Zayn & Kevin Owens Partnership On Smackdown

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Topic: Sami Zayn & Kevin Owens Partnership On Smackdown
Posted By: admin
Subject: Sami Zayn & Kevin Owens Partnership On Smackdown
Date Posted: 11/October/2017 at 13:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFHmX4_uduc

The reason Sami said he did it made sense. Being nice has got him nowhere, whilst Owens being bad has won lots of titles.

Owens seemed legit sincere towards Sami and I am looking forward to seeing where this goes.

I hope they are an intense heelish pairing and don't play the comedy card to rehash Owens/Jericho best friends storyline, as Owens has already refered to Sami as that.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 15/October/2017 at 09:37
Yeah the reasoning was good and mirrored real life, Sami as a white meat babyface being a nice guy all the time has enjoyed very limited success on the main-roster while Kevin Owens as a nasty heel has had multiple title reigns and has nearly always been high on the card and now is established as a headliner.

I like the partnership as the two are close in real life and have a long history so the on screen chemistry will be good.

Hopefully this can provide a boost to Sami's WWE career which has been lacklustre so far, he does need a edge to his character because as a face he's too run of the mill nice guy with his smiling, dancing and high fiving the fans, with that gimmick he will probably always be seen as a steady hand who they can use to work a solid match with another talent and then do the job. As a face his career would probably mirror Dolph Ziggler.

Sami will need to change things up though, he came out to the same music doing the same entrance routine, he will need to get more nasty or he will never get heat.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 18/October/2017 at 06:33
Well based off what I saw tonight, it looks like Sami is going to ham it up, be the Jeri to Kevin's KO. His entrance looked like he was drunk he was going so overboard with it. Zayn is far more natural as a babyface, but with smarky fans and lazy booking there was nothing for him to do.

He could have easily been the next Daniel Bryan had WWE booked him thusly, but alas, he is second fiddle to KO once again. The most talented in ring performer WWE has IMO, better than AJ, better than Nakamura, about the only one better is Daniel Bryan himself. But now he is going to be a shit eating heel.

That said, their promo work Sami and Danny had was extremely good because of the truth behind it. Bryan was a once in a lifetime performer, and Sami was constantly on his heels. It is a crying shame Bryan won't be allowed to wrestle again because Bryan vs Zayn at Mania could be worthy of a spot in the top 5 of all-time.

Quite honestly the best moment of the night was just seeing Zayn, Owens and Bryan spar on the mic.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 18/October/2017 at 15:41
I think ultimately though this could easily result in a face turn for Zayn and a better run. His current babyface persona wasn't getting the job done and he was drifting further into low card obscurity, plus he might prove to be a absolute blast as a heel. But yeah for the most part I agree he does seem a natural face and I also saw him as someone that could have taken Daniel Bryan's spot as the good guy the common man can relate to and a super-worker in the ring.

Whatever happens this is the most relevant Zayn has been in ages so let's give it a chance and not knock it.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 18/October/2017 at 16:30
So Sami vs KO at Mania we're thinking with Sami getting the big win? Too obvious right?

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 18/October/2017 at 18:21
I don't like the decision, but then, I also didn't like the idea of Daniel Wyatt either and that turned out fantastic. I'll keep an open mind, because I like Zayn better than Bryan, WWE seems to be trying to do something interesting again so hopefully this slump they've been in is about to end.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 18/October/2017 at 19:19
He for me is still, along with Jinder and Nakamura, the most boring person on the roster

he looks so uncomfortable cutting the heelish promos and he doesnt seem to have any connection with the fans in the ring - they cant even be bothered to boo him they care that little about him

I think putting him with Owens is the same reason they put the shield back together - to try and put him with someone extremely over that it may somehow catch on


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 20/October/2017 at 17:37
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

He for me is still, along with Jinder and Nakamura, the most boring person on the roster

he looks so uncomfortable cutting the heelish promos and he doesnt seem to have any connection with the fans in the ring - they cant even be bothered to boo him they care that little about him

I think putting him with Owens is the same reason they put the shield back together - to try and put him with someone extremely over that it may somehow catch on


Agreed. I never understood all the fuss about Zayn, I've also always found him pretty dull. He's solid in the ring sure but as we all know that's only around 30% of the full package to being a big star or even someone relevant in WWE.

Even during his NXT stint I was thinking really?? This guy?? Was far more impressed with guys like Owens and Neville in NXT to be honest.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 20/October/2017 at 19:27
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:



Agreed. I never understood all the fuss about Zayn, I've also always found him pretty dull. He's solid in the ring sure but as we all know that's only around 30% of the full package to being a big star or even someone relevant in WWE.

Even during his NXT stint I was thinking really?? This guy?? Was far more impressed with guys like Owens and Neville in NXT to be honest.

im not sure if hes had a strong internet fan base / following which is why maybe they pushed him in NXT - but hes no better than the likes of Fandango, Apollo crews and that sort of ilk ... hes certainly no where near what is required to be a star in the WWE - but then again neither is Jinder (although he has improved his physique massively over the past year)


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 21/October/2017 at 07:18
Jinder is getting a monster push based on his improved physique and the fact he's of Indian descent. WWE wanted a top Indian star to promote their tour there this year and they also appear keen to tap into the Indian market. So will be interesting to see if Mahal's push fizzles after the tour.

I'm willing to give Zayn a chance as a heel as he may show some previously untapped personality, but he does strike me as a natural babyface, maybe they should go the obnoxious route like they did when Daniel Bryan was a heel.

Sami Zayn like Bryan is a Indy darling who I've never really understood the appeal of. Maybe I'm just too WWE institutionalised but for me it's all about the big stars. I enjoy a great match as much as anyone but I just don't see big star qualities in a guy like Sami Zayn or Daniel Bryan.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 25/October/2017 at 18:57
After watching this weeks Smackdown, it is already clear to me that Sami is an awful Heel - he looks so uncomfortable when delivering the promos and he doesnt have any sort of connection with the audience - the only part of his promo that got any reaction this week was when he mentioned Kevin Owens

Hes not fantastic in the ring - i just find everything about him plain and underwhelming

For me the only way to get him over would be to do the NXT storyline again somehow with a full on Heel Owens beating him down when he wins a title and having that rivalry - again though i think it would be more heat for owens than babyface pop for Zayn


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 30/October/2017 at 21:34
I enjoyed Sami's heel work this week, the hamming it up with the silly dancing and prancing around and his obnoxious promo style and attitude, all great heel tactics that aren't the traditional heat seeking tools but are still effective.

For me this is possibly the most entertaining Zayn has been on the main roster so far.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 08/November/2017 at 21:20
Quote PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple sources that Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn were sent home from the Smackdown side of the ongoing WWE European tour following last night's taping in Manchester, England.

There are conflicting stories as to why this has happened floating around but multiple sources within WWE have confirmed the pair were sent back to the United States today.



Soooo where do we start guessing? Storyline reasons? Being drunk on tour? Something more sinister?



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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 08/November/2017 at 22:15
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Quote PWInsider.com has confirmed with multiple sources that Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn were sent home from the Smackdown side of the ongoing WWE European tour following last night's taping in Manchester, England.

There are conflicting stories as to why this has happened floating around but multiple sources within WWE have confirmed the pair were sent back to the United States today.

Soooo where do we start guessing? Storyline reasons? Being drunk on tour? Something more sinister?


Best mates touring for a fortnight together seeing different cities every day. I can see how work might have got in the way of fun LOL

They wouldn't have weakened the roster for nothing, so expect it to be a serious matter when it comes out such as being unprofessionally wasted.

They are probably a bit annoyed at not having a prominent position on the Smackdown roster.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 08/November/2017 at 22:29
I’ve read a lot of reports that it’s for “Going into business for themselves” - what that means remains to be seen but a lot of so called sources are stating the promo they cut was their own and not what was scripted

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 07:37
They supposedly didn't follow the script at the end of the Zayn/Kofi match. They should have been ran off by New Day but they left before that happened.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 08:07
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

They supposedly didn't follow the script at the end of the Zayn/Kofi match. They should have been ran off by New Day but they left before that happened.


Aye I seen that and apparently WWE are annoyed because Owens attacked and then left before new day had a chance to do anything - making him look the smart one out of it all when in reality a beat down to warn off Shield was supposed to be in there

To be honest I’m not sure (if they hadn’t been sent home) that anyone would have picked any of that up from SD - most of what I read was about New Day gaining momentum as a result of Kofis win

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 11:03
Agree there #H. Kofi picked up the win...a 3 on 2 run off wouldn't have made sense for them.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 15:51
I've started getting most of my wrestling news from WrestleTalk on youtube. This is what they had to say:


It would make more sense that it was a combination of a lot of things, and that running away instead of feeding into New Day firing up would be the last straw.

Also a good shout to point out that the whole Neville things probably does stick in their craw a good bit.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 16:22
By the sounds of it they were both a bit sore about their buddy Neville and decided to be quite vocal in their complaining on a tour bus and this was followed up with the going against the script on tv.

This isn’t going to do either man any favours. Owens is enjoying the push of his life and was close to cementing his status as a headliner. Zayn is also getting a better push and more tv time than he really has at any other time on the main roster.

I just hope this doesn’t result in them being buried on tv or worse released. Does seem that all the indie darlings in WWE at present are up in arms ever since the Neville walk out.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 17:24
Not all the indy darlings. Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose still seem to be pretty entrenched in the WWE Machine at this point.

Honestly I half expect to see all the former RoH guys have some say in the matter before it's done, from Daniel Bryan, to Cesaro, to Seth Rollins to Samoa Joe.

For the most part all of these guys took their technical wrestling skills and their ability to put on a good WRESTLING show very seriously before they got to the WWE, since then only Daniel Bryan and CM Punk have ever stood up and said anything about it.

I think THIS is the topic which wrestling fans need to harp on even more. To call out the RoH alums as sell-outs, traitors, washed up, watered down, frauds compared to their own selves for being in WWE and dumbing down their skills to work the "wwe style". 

If these guys got called out like this on social media by their followers, shit would hit the fan very soon. Even moreso if they got told they should be more like Neville, Aries, Cody, etc.

The shit storm would be out of this world.

Guys like The Miz or John Cena would never be phased with talk like this, but the real wrestlers, the ones that have real in-ring talent and are passionate about their craft, especially those languishing in mid-card would all stand up and make their own statements and make it in a big way. It'd be like the Bret Harts of the industry vs the Hulk Hogans all over again.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that WWE employees are almost as fed up with creative as the fans are. There just needs to be a company that can accept them all en-masse and put them on TV seen by large numbers of fans ASAP. Unfortunately even RoH, with it's growing fanbase, and certainly not TNA anymore can afford to put these guys on TV and nail down a contract.

Man what Ted Turner could do with RoH these days would be outstanding.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 18:47
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:


This isn’t going to do either man any favours. Owens is enjoying the push of his life and was close to cementing his status as a headliner. Zayn is also getting a better push and more tv time than he really has at any other time on the main roster.

I just hope this doesn’t result in them being buried on tv or worse released. Does seem that all the indie darlings in WWE at present are up in arms ever since the Neville walk out.

To be honest i think Owens is at a point now where he could easily walk into any other wrestling federation and cause a bit of a buzz/hype and do really well for himself

Zayn on the other hand for me has probably went backwards since his time in WWE and as per your statement - is only now getting tv time - so he has the most to lose in all of this

There seems to be alot of unrest with alot of rumours around about a list of superstars asking/waiting for their release

I do think though that alot of superstars believe they have a given right to be main event just because they got a good reaction in the indie leagues from a bunch of 40 year old virgins who live and breathe wrestling - they need to step up in the big leagues and it isnt as easy as what they think. There is alot of style changes and restrictions on promos and many other factors which they arent comfortable with and as a result - they dont get the reaction they believe they deserve.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 21:07
Some more news on this...the cynic in me says this is part of a bigger work....

Quote  For what it's worth, the opening interview with Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn and Shane McMahon had nothing at all to do with Zayn and Owens being sent home. They did not go off script in any way and the only part of the interview that was actually edited was when Shane McMahon got flustered.

-- When Shane told the fans that Daniel Bryan would be back next week, the fans started booing which panicked Shane as he was confused why they were reacting in that manner. It then dawned on him that they were upset he wasn't there that night and he ended up saying it on the mic which was then all edited out by WWE's production staff.

-- With Owens and Zayn, they made mention of "men of honor" and there were some people who suggested that WWE was upset as it could be taken as a reference to "Ring of Honor" but that was not the case, especially since Smackdown last week being taped, there was plenty of time to edit anything the company didn't like right out of the segment.



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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 21:14
Alot of people seem to be going out of their way to say it isnt a work - which makes me think more and more that there is an element of a work in here

If there isn't - they should definitely use it in the storyline moving forward


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 21:22
Yeah, WWE are getting smarted with their "leaks" so it really wouldn't shock me anymore. I am loving the fact they are doing the unexpected at times, it's almost making me want to watch it properly again.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:07
Quote UPDATE: Here are some additional notes on Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn being sent home from WWE’s ongoing tour of Europe, courtesy of https://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/" rel="nofollow - ProWrestlingSheet.com .

According to sources, Owens and Zayn reportedly went against a creative direction given to them prior to SmackDown! Live on Tuesday night. Owens and Zayn were supposed to have been “fed” to The New Day following the Zayn/Kofi Kingston match. For whatever reason, the two didn’t follow WWE’s creative direction and left the ring instead. PWTorch’s “glossary of insider wrestling terms” defines “feeding” as the following: “The heel’s role during a babyface comeback where he runs at the babyface only to be repeatedly fended off, with the hope that the series of bumps by the heel will generate positive fan heat for the babyface.”

As seen on Tuesday night’s SmackDown! broadcast, Owens ran down to the ring immediately after Kofi Kingston defeated Sami Zayn and attacked Kofi, which was planned ahead of time. Owens and Zayn then quickly bailed from the ring and headed up the ramp while The New Day stood there and waited for them to come back. Some of the guys on WWE’s sound crew became confused and didn’t play anyone’s music. The segment, which was scheduled to end with The New Day beating Owens/Zayn down, then came to an awkward end.

According to one source, Owens and Zayn have become “difficult to work with” as of late and seem unhappy backstage. For what it’s worth, both Owens and Zayn were close to former WWE writer Jimmy Jacobs and Neville. Jacobs was fired while Neville reportedly “walked out” on the company several months ago.

Stay tuned for more information as it becomes available.

ORIGINAL: We reported earlier today here on https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/ewrestlingnews" rel="nofollow - eWrestlingNews .com that Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn were both sent home from WWE’s ongoing https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/european-tour" rel="nofollow - European tour . The two were told to leave following last night’s https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/wwe-smackdown" rel="nofollow - WWE SmackDown ! TV tapings in Manchester, England.

In an update on this, Sports Illustrated is reporting that Owens and Zayn were sent home due to disciplinary reasons. According to sources, the reason WWE is giving is for “conduct deemed detrimental” to the company. The site also notes that they were sent home due to “going into business for themselves” on Tuesday’s https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/wwe-smackdown" rel="nofollow - WWE SmackDown ! Live broadcast. Vince McMahon reportedly approved the decision to send the two men home. As seen during Tuesday night’s SmackDown! broadcast, Owens and Zayn cut a promo during the opening of the show. The two went back and forth with https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/shane-mcmahon" rel="nofollow - Shane McMahon , which led to Shane setting up a match between Zayn and Kofi Kingston. Kofi wound up winning that match.

 
What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 
Going off script is one of the biggest no nos you can do. The only thing worse you can do in that scenario would be to not protect your opponent from injury.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:10
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 

Absolutely brutal that Adders

Dont think appearance should effect where guys are on the card

Owens has been one of the better talents for the last year or two - Zayn i agree with - doesnt deserve to be anywhere near any sort of main storyline or main event


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:20
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

What a pair of whiny bitches, which you don't come to expect from Canadian talent.
 
Both are talented but one is fat with moobs and the other is a skinny ginger. They should be happy with their position in the company.
 

Absolutely brutal that Adders

Dont think appearance should effect where guys are on the card

Owens has been one of the better talents for the last year or two - Zayn i agree with - doesnt deserve to be anywhere near any sort of main storyline or main event
 
They are indy darlings. What they did in front of a few hundred in shithole venues before joining E doesn't matter to me.
 
Neither have been in the big league yet long enough to be spoken of as highly as they are (especially in the case of Owens).
 
Appearance does matter in wrestling. Ring work and mic skills the most, but then the look. It's why Roman Reigns crowd reactions get blanked by management just like the Cena ones.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:33
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

 
Appearance does matter in wrestling. Ring work and mic skills the most, but then the look. It's why Roman Reigns crowd reactions get blanked by management just like the Cena ones.

There are plenty of examples of where looks were "overlooked" , guys such as Ryback, Chris Masters, Mason Ryan.

Granted they were awful on the mic but at least Reigns can deliver a semi decent promo - plus his relationship with The Rock probably helps too

I dont think looks are as important as they were 20 year ago - the likes of Bryan, Owens, Ambrose, Mick Foley etc etc all have had decent careers without having what would fall into the category of "good look" for a wrestler


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 09/November/2017 at 22:42
Please... Everyone knows if you can get over in front of one random audience you can get over anywhere. Every wrestler that has commented about it has agreed.

Zayn has gotten over everywhere. What is shit is when WWE commentators cross face/heel lines to crap on one of their own. They are always doomed when that happens.

It really is a crap myth to say that small crowds of random wrestling fans all over the world don't represent larger crowds of people of like mind.

Go back to the territory days of wrestling and show me one example of someone who got over big with one group of fans, did essentially the same thing elsewhere and didn't get over. More often than not the reason a wrestler doesn't get over is because they are mishandled at X company.

You can probably name a guy or two, but not many.

But nowadays everyone that doesn't get over in WWE after getting over big in ROH, TNA, NXT, etc., all fail to do so because WWE is the "big leagues."

Sorry, but that's just not accurate, at all.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 10/November/2017 at 07:57
A strong indie following only accounts for a minority of the WWE audience, granted it does represent a larger number of fans than it used to as there is so much more access to indy Wrestling now what with all the online content and so forth. But none the less it is still a fairly small percentage.

A glowing indie reputation doesn’t automatically translate to success in WWE, it is down to that particular talent to adapt their style to make it work in the big time. With the WWE touring schedule and corporate environment you cannot go out 4-5 nights a week working indy style matches, apart from the catalogue of injuries and burn out this would cause WWE have a formula where the longer more intense battles are saved for big occasions which makes sense, with indy shows they of course want to put on the best possible show every night.

Guys like Rollins and Ambrose have successfully integrated their style in to WWE, very few people think of them now as indie guys Tyler Black and Jon Moxley, you think of WWE Superstars Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.
Kevin Owens is nearly there but he still seems to be clinging to some of that indie past. Guys like Cesaro, Chris Hero, Neville and Sami Zayn have struggled with the adaptation process.



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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 10/November/2017 at 09:46
i'd call bullshit on the entire thing. as has been pointed out, despite Smackdown still going by Smackdown Live and with the hashtag, this was a pre-taped show. any issues like that could be have been sorted. unless Sami and Kevin left immediately after getting to the gorilla position, then producers would have been there to say "you need to go back out and do the segment"

i'll admit there did seem to be an awkwardness to how the match ended, but no more so than any other match where the faces outnumber the heels and the heels still get the last blow in.

as far as backstage behaviour, I can't buy that either. Owens has just had a massive match with Shane, and Zayn was given a big part in how that match ended. if they've been cauing problems and such backstage for so long, why reward either of them, let alone one of them, with that? it's worth remembering that Owens was given the win, and he was able to walk out of that match almost on his own footing, whereas Shane was wheeled out. again, any backstage issues should have resulted in Shane either winning, or being able to get up and walk out, albeit with a little help still.

let's also not forget that they are currently not due to do anything for a big four PPV, and have been saying they have been held back from being part of it. this does feel like a work, and sending them home could be a part of whatever angle is to come either after Survivor Series, or at the event itself if Owens and Zayn are used to cost Shane and the team the match.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 10/November/2017 at 10:38
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

i'd call bullshit on the entire thing. as has been pointed out, despite Smackdown still going by Smackdown Live and with the hashtag, this was a pre-taped show. any issues like that could be have been sorted. unless Sami and Kevin left immediately after getting to the gorilla position, then producers would have been there to say "you need to go back out and do the segment"

Good thinking. Or because it was pre taped if they had gone into business for themselves they would have edited it out instead of airing an awkward looking ending to a segment.

Part 1 of the Taz Show yesterday he doesn't think they went into business for themselves. He said the heels by not getting back in the ring left with their heel heat and that it must be something else.

He stuck up for Owens also for the rumours of him ranting on the tour bus after the show because after a long tour you're entitled to air your grievances.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 10/November/2017 at 10:51
I smell a whiff of bullshit here too, I would hope at this point Owens in particular is not dumb enough to jeopardise his position in the company all because he is a bit miffed his buddy took his ball and went home recently. I’m a fan of Neville but in all fairness he had been used pretty well as of late, sure he was part of a division which many view as toilet break tv but he was the star of that division and surely he would eventually return to the heavyweights as a more established talent. In a way it’s CM Punk all over again where a guy who really doesn’t have it that bad in WWE let’s his over-inflated ego lead him to making a rash and somewhat dumb decision.

Anyway yeah there’s a good chance here this is all a work as part of a angle within the on-going feud with Shane McMahon.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 10/November/2017 at 17:04
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

A strong indie following only accounts for a minority of the WWE audience, granted it does represent a larger number of fans than it used to as there is so much more access to indy Wrestling now what with all the online content and so forth. But none the less it is still a fairly small percentage.

A glowing indie reputation doesn’t automatically translate to success in WWE, it is down to that particular talent to adapt their style to make it work in the big time. With the WWE touring schedule and corporate environment you cannot go out 4-5 nights a week working indy style matches, apart from the catalogue of injuries and burn out this would cause WWE have a formula where the longer more intense battles are saved for big occasions which makes sense, with indy shows they of course want to put on the best possible show every night.

Guys like Rollins and Ambrose have successfully integrated their style in to WWE, very few people think of them now as indie guys Tyler Black and Jon Moxley, you think of WWE Superstars Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.
Kevin Owens is nearly there but he still seems to be clinging to some of that indie past. Guys like Cesaro, Chris Hero, Neville and Sami Zayn have struggled with the adaptation process.


I'm not talking about the wrestling style though, I'm talking about character and personality, and how serious NXT in particular will take a wrestler vs how the main roster treats that same character. 

For example, Sami Zayn is just about the most over babyface NXT has ever seen, and we're not talking about small venues, Takeover Dallas in particular was a giant crowd and he and Nakamura were the most talked about match of the night.

So what's the difference between Sami Zayn's booking in NXT vs on the main roster? Commentator's have universally crapped all over him, calling him too talkative and annoying, making him a comedy parody of his NXT likable whitemeat babyface. None of that has ANYTHING to do with Zayn at all, that's completely on the producers.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 11/November/2017 at 13:03
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

A strong indie following only accounts for a minority of the WWE audience, granted it does represent a larger number of fans than it used to as there is so much more access to indy Wrestling now what with all the online content and so forth. But none the less it is still a fairly small percentage.

A glowing indie reputation doesn’t automatically translate to success in WWE, it is down to that particular talent to adapt their style to make it work in the big time. With the WWE touring schedule and corporate environment you cannot go out 4-5 nights a week working indy style matches, apart from the catalogue of injuries and burn out this would cause WWE have a formula where the longer more intense battles are saved for big occasions which makes sense, with indy shows they of course want to put on the best possible show every night.

Guys like Rollins and Ambrose have successfully integrated their style in to WWE, very few people think of them now as indie guys Tyler Black and Jon Moxley, you think of WWE Superstars Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.
Kevin Owens is nearly there but he still seems to be clinging to some of that indie past. Guys like Cesaro, Chris Hero, Neville and Sami Zayn have struggled with the adaptation process.



I'm not talking about the wrestling style though, I'm talking about character and personality, and how serious NXT in particular will take a wrestler vs how the main roster treats that same character. 

For example, Sami Zayn is just about the most over babyface NXT has ever seen, and we're not talking about small venues, Takeover Dallas in particular was a giant crowd and he and Nakamura were the most talked about match of the night.

So what's the difference between Sami Zayn's booking in NXT vs on the main roster? Commentator's have universally crapped all over him, calling him too talkative and annoying, making him a comedy parody of his NXT likable whitemeat babyface. None of that has ANYTHING to do with Zayn at all, that's completely on the producers.


I agree with some of that. I enjoy the more serious and gritty approach of NXT, there is less emphasis on the heroic babyfaces and the cowardly heels, it’s more competitive with fans being able to cheer for who they like, it makes for a much more unpredictable product and it surprises me that through the success of NXT this formula hasn’t begone to spill over to the main roster.
I think much of this is Vince McMahon, it’s clear at this point Triple H has a more modern vision for the product but with Vince still having the final say the traditional style will continue for a while longer yet. Vince is just very blinkered thinking that the product he’s always produced works and why change it.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 11/November/2017 at 20:34
I swear a lot of this is also people feeling the awkwardness at the end of the segment, and making up some shit about a babyface team of three attacking a duo, regardless of whether Owens had ran into the ring immediately after and hit Kofi. even if you factor in that Kofi is down, it's not like Sami was exactly right back on his feet, so it's still a handicapped beatdown, so the idea that it would keep people cheering for the faces is daft, and hopefully something that WWE have finally learnt.

that being said, they have of course done this in the past, but only very rarely, and most of the time, it has been an uneven number of heels getting the numbers advantage over the faces.

also, it may have taken away from any intrigue into the Mahal Styles match if they did a 3-on-1/2 beatdown at the top of the show, as if it's expected anywhere on the card now, it's Mahal and the Singhs.

I'm interested in what happens on SDL on Tuesday. i'd predict that Owens and Zayn are either suspended there, or it would be announced on WWE.com before the show if it's definitely an angle, and then this would give them even bigger reason to be at Survivor Series next week and cost the match for Smackdown.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 15/November/2017 at 21:04
I'm not entirely sure where they will go with this angle now

They've lost a few weeks in a row and (if not a work) they are in hot water for what happened during the European tour

Im expecting Jason Jordan to interfere in some capacity in the main event match and it wouldnt surprise me if these two came in and beat up Shane to seal his elimination from the match


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 16/November/2017 at 10:16
My guess is this will result in a de-push for both of them.

The last guy to get himself in to hot water like this was Ryback and he went from main eventing PPV’s to being a low-card jobber. It was more than a year before his push was re-started but he never got out of the mid-card and the rest is history.

I would hate to see them go this route with Zayn and Owens, far too much talent to be wasted in the lower-card and as proved with Ryback and others once you plummet down the card it’s difficult to find a way back up.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 20/November/2017 at 18:21
I've seen a few reports online stating that these 2 could be in line for a move to Raw as a reward from Stephanie for their actions during the SS main event

I'm not sure they will get the time they require or (the time Owens) deserve.

On the other hand though im not sure where this goes if they remain on Smackdown. We have already seen the PPV match between Owens and Shane so unless Vince turns up and challenges Owens to a match then im not sure how much legs this storyline has left in it.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 21/November/2017 at 02:25
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

I've seen a few reports online stating that these 2 could be in line for a move to Raw as a reward from Stephanie for their actions during the SS main event

a reward?! they got ran off by Shane, and that was after catching him by surprise.

for me, they did nothing to add to the main event, so if they don't move to Raw after this, if they are kept on SDL and made to endure punishments for however long, then it has to mean at least some part of the stories are true and there is heat on them.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 21/November/2017 at 19:31
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

I've seen a few reports online stating that these 2 could be in line for a move to Raw as a reward from Stephanie for their actions during the SS main event


a reward?! they got ran off by Shane, and that was after catching him by surprise.

for me, they did nothing to add to the main event, so if they don't move to Raw after this, if they are kept on SDL and made to endure punishments for however long, then it has to mean at least some part of the stories are true and there is heat on them.


Yeah there’s a clip somewhere of Stephanie thanking them for the interference and I’ve read a few reports that they’ll be switched back to raw

If there is really heat then they’ll be used to end Hawkins run without a win 😂

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 21/November/2017 at 21:20
I don't know, i'd have thought if that were to happen, they'd have to have been on last night's show. literally, the only reason to hold it off would be to have Shane call them out and fire them in the ring, and then have them turn up next week, which I don't see the point of when bigger things have been left off the show and just announced on Twitter.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 22/November/2017 at 13:42
Quote We see some still images from Sunday's Survivor Series pay-per-view, and then SmackDown commissioner Shane McMahon comes out to the ring to kick off tonight's show. Shane says even in defeat, he's still proud of how the SmackDown team worked and says no one will ever consider SmackDown the B-show again. He says he's proud of everyone on the roster, except for two people, and he wants them to come out right now. With that, out comes Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, They hit the ring and Owens gets on the mic, and he demands that Shane apologizes to them. Shane tells him to shut his mouth, and says the two of them have no respect for anyone in WWE letalone on SmackDown, and no respect for him. Owens agrees with both of those things. Shane says they also have no respect for anyone in the crowd, and they agree with that too. Shane tells them about how hated they are in the SmackDown locker room, and says he has two words for them. He tells them to come in close, and begins "YOU'RE...." -- but then, Daniel Bryan interrupts. Bryan comes out to the ring and asks for Shane to remove his personal feelings from the situation. Sami starts thanking Daniel but Daniel tells him to shut it. Daniel says everyone in the locker room does hate Owens and Zayn, but he has a better solution than firing them. Bryan says The New Day are particularly furious with them, so they'll be facing them tonight. Sami says it's unfair because it's 3 vs 2. Bryan tells Sami to shut up again, and informs them that the rest of the SmackDown roster will be around the ring tonight to ensure that Owens and Zayn don't run away from the fight. Bryan's music hits and the fans chant "Yes" as he and Shane leave. Sami and Owens are not happy about this.
 
Love that dirt sheets still think these two are in a dog house with management when they are given shitloads of airtime in a prominent role.
 
Lets not forget they were booked to get involved in a big four main event last sunday.
 
They had an whole show episode built around will they get sacked or not, the poor lads in the dog house LOL


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 25/November/2017 at 16:20
until that very last segment, where Bryan announced Owens match for next week, I honestly thought we were going to see a Bryan heel turn, and that he would, as he did, say that neither were going to be fired, but rather than put Owens in a match against Orton next week, would back him and Sami up and go against Shane.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 25/November/2017 at 21:24
Quote We reported several weeks ago here on https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/ewrestlingnews" rel="nofollow - eWrestlingNews .com that Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn were sent home from WWE’s https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/european-tour" rel="nofollow - European tour after the two men left the ring following a post-match attack against Kofi Kingston. They refused to be “fed” to The New Day.

According to sources, the heat on Kevin Owens appears to have diminished as WWE is not taking any issue with him at the moment. With that being said, there is still heat on Sami Zayn following his dismissal from the UK tour. A report from The https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/wrestling-observer-newsletter" rel="nofollow - Wrestling Observer Newsletter doesn’t mention how this could affect their spots on the SmackDown! Live roster.

As of now, the two are still being paired together as they defeated Tyler Breeze and Fandango on the https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/survivor-series" rel="nofollow - Survivor Series Kickoff show. They also worked a lumberjack match on SmackDown! Live, facing The New Day.

So they both acted the same way in refusing to do the exact same thing, but one is getting treated differently to the other, that's fair.
 
The person who should have heat is the booker that wanted them to act like a babyface pair, by taking on three guys when there are only two of them.
 
Heels acting heelish by saving their heat and not wanting to get physical in a numbers game. I am still calling bullshit on this report. But the more it gets mentioned the more you assume it's got to have some truth in it, even if it's not the full story.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 25/November/2017 at 21:32
The original report of backstage heat for ZOwens came from a sole source; Ryan Satin of the Pro Wrestling Sheet. Since then it has been re-reported with added rumours umpteen times and now the original story, which Dave Meltzer heavily disputes in certain elements, is barely recognisable.

I'm absolutely certain that there's no truth to the rumours of ZOwens going to Raw. That move would leave Smackdown devoid of top class talent beyond AJ Styles and Randy Orton. Owens was brought to Smackdown to be the top heel. Sure, Mahal was moved into that position but Owens has continued to receive a solid push.

I'm of the opinion that the ZOwens backstage heat story was an intentional leak, much like a lot of the backstage information on Enzo and Sasha/Bliss has been. That's not to say it isn't true but I strongly suspect WWE have grossly exaggerated what actually happened in order to sell a story.

It's modern kayfabe; sometimes Journalists accidentally tell the kayfabe instead of the truth.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 26/November/2017 at 01:43
Quote
I'm of the opinion that the ZOwens backstage heat story was an intentional leak, much like a lot of the backstage information on Enzo and Sasha/Bliss has been. That's not to say it isn't true but I strongly suspect WWE have grossly exaggerated what actually happened in order to sell a story.

It's modern kayfabe; sometimes Journalists accidentally tell the kayfabe instead of the truth.

That is great to read. I've been suspecting this for a while now, but never really heard anyone mention it. The heat on both Zayn & Owens over this past European tour in particular seemed a bit suspect, but I can't quite put my finger on why either, probably because I haven't put THAT much thought into it yet.

If this really is the truth, and WWE is intentionally "leaking" rumors, then that's great. If the majority of fans don't pick up on it, there can be a lot of options open to the WWE to make storylines better.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 26/November/2017 at 11:01
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

That is great to read. I've been suspecting this for a while now, but never really heard anyone mention it. The heat on both Zayn & Owens over this past European tour in particular seemed a bit suspect, but I can't quite put my finger on why either, probably because I haven't put THAT much thought into it yet.

If this really is the truth, and WWE is intentionally "leaking" rumors, then that's great. If the majority of fans don't pick up on it, there can be a lot of options open to the WWE to make storylines better.

It's actually largely Lesnar's fault that this started happening. It was after Lesnar-Orton that someone in WWE leaked a rumour about Lesnar going off script. Lesnar essentially stays in character backstage as well so people at WWE were unable to dispute it. Follow that with The Miz and the leaks about that and something flicked on.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 26/November/2017 at 11:45
I've been saying for a while that WWE are playing us with their own leaks to get us all talking, and you know what....it has been working, so credit where it's due there.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 29/November/2017 at 13:17
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

I've been saying for a while that WWE are playing us with their own leaks to get us all talking, and you know what....it has been working, so credit where it's due there.
 
So what you're trying to say is Owens outsmarting a future 1st pick hall of famer to beat him in a TV main event, isn't actually heat from management LOL
 
Quote Randy Orton vs. Kevin Owens: This one is a no DQ match and Sami Zayn is banned from ringside. The opening bell sounds and Orton goes right to work on Owens. He takes Orton outside early on and beats him down around ringside before back suplexing him onto the announce table. Orton grabs a kendo stick and starts teeing off on Owens on the floor. Owens now grabs a kendo stick of his own and starts fighting back. Back in the ring, Owens now mounts a comeback and starts pummeling on Orton. Orton hits a thumb to the eye to stun Owens, but Owens is able to keep control of the match and hit a senton drop for a two count. Owens misses a cannonball splash in the corner, then starts trading punches with Orton. Orton hits some headbutts and takes Owens up top for a superplex for a two count. Orton goes for a DDT, but Owens escapes and the fight spills out to ringside. Orton hits the back suplex on the announce table, then the two brawl up the entrance ramp. Orton beats down Owens on the stage, then back down the ramp towards the stage. Sami Zayn now runs in from behind and starts beating on Orton with a steel chair. Zayn repeatedly bashes Orton with the steel chair, then leaves. Owens takes Orton back into the ring, but Orton catches him on the way back in through the ropes and DDTs him. Orton goes for an RKO, but Owens blocks it and takes out Orton's knee. Owens hits a superkick, then follows up with a frogsplash off the top rope. Owens covers for the three count.

Winner: Kevin Owens

- Owens gets up after the match and talks trash to Orton while he's still on the mat. The ref raises Owens' hand, then he rolls out of the ring and SmackDown goes off the air as Orton recovers from the frogsplash.

Real good heel booking how they got around no ringside interference rule and at the same time make the most of the no DQ rule.
 
I'm glad Owens got the win, because after the chair beatdown Zayn gave Randall, they would have looked weak had he lost and questions would have been asked to why the beatdown wasn't more vicious.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 05/December/2017 at 04:25
that anyone thinks this is still a real story is laughable, but that they think Zayn is being punished while Owens continues to be pushed unabated shows this guys can't be watching the same show the rest of us are, even when they fucking quote what happened on the show!

erm, Zayn not only had plenty of mic time, he had mic time against Shane McMahon, and was being allowed to best him at times during the exchanges. I tell you, if that's being punished harshly, I want that fucking job.

I said as soon as this broke that while there could be an element of truth to it, it just didn't sit right. personally, for me, it seems Owens is having a brief push to compensate for being dropped from the India tour, as that would obviously have been a very lucrative two day bonus for him.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 13:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUOVBhh0SY

They weren't booked to get the result in their favour, but with how the show was built around them both getting huge airtime, they can't complain.

Watching them start the show with Sami explaining what the ringside area is was some of his best heel work so far.

Two weeks in a row they have got around Shane Mcmahon rules, this time brilliantly with being able to cute Kevin free from the ring ropes.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 17:44
well built show, great ending ready for next weeks show to confirm what we now know will be the match at Clash of Champions.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 13/December/2017 at 12:58
Quote This week's broadcast opens up with a look at what lead to Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn vs. Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura, with special guest ref Shane McMahon announced for Clash of Champions.

- We go to the arena where Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn are backstage handing out "occupy SmackDown" flyers to protest Shane McMahon. They're wearing Daniel Bryan's "Yes" t-shirts.

 
Daniel Bryan is backstage on the phone with who we believe is Shane McMahon. Bryan says he'll be on commentary tonight to watch the main event, and then Zayn and Owens walk in the room and interrupt the call. They leave more of their "occupy" flyers with Bryan. Bryan tells Shane on the phone that the Clash of Champions is his top priority, as Owens and Zayn walk off. Bryan says goodbye to Shane, then checks out the flyers after OWens and Zayn leave.
 
 
Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens are out next. They come down to the ring in their new "Yep!" t-shirts, styled like the old Daniel Bryan "Yes!" t-shirts. Owens takes the mic and says the "yep movement" has arrived, and Sami adds that the energy in the arena is surreal right now. Sami talks about being united for change, and Owens says "Yep" after every point Sami makes. Sami shows us some footage from SmackDown last week of Owens being handcuffed to the ring. Owens says Vince and Stephanie McMahon are nothing compared to Shane McMahon in terms of evil. Owens says he hopes the ring is reinforced, because it's time to "occupy SmackDown." Owens asks for everyone in the back to come out and fill the ring, but no one shows up. Finally, Daniel Bryan emerges from the stage and stares at the two in the ring. Owens says Bryan is the inspiration for the yep movement, and Bryan steps in the ring. Sami says he thought thousands of people would join them in the ring right now, but he's happy with only one, because it's Mr. Daniel Bryan. Bryan asks what they're doing, and they talk about how they're just like Bryan. Bryan says they're nothing alike, and says the "yes" thing was about the fans - not him. Sami and Owens continue to rant about how Shane is out to get them. Bryan says he has Shane's back, but he knows Zayn and Owens are talented. Bryan says he'll make sure their tag match on Sunday is fair, and it will be a chance for Sami and Owens to prove they belong on SmackDown. Bryan says if they lose, there are no excuses. Bryan says he and Shane will always have each other's backs, and then he announces that he will join Shane as the second guest ref for the tag match at Clash on Sunday. Owens and Zayn seem happy with the news, and Bryan leaves.
 
 
Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura make their way out to ring, separately. They get in the ring for an interview with Renee Young. She asks what they think about both Bryan and Shane being guest referees on Sunday. Orton says he doesn't know about Shane or Bryan's motives, but he knows he doesn't like Owens or Sami because they're obnoxious and entitled idiots. Renee asks if Nakamura agrees, and he says "yep." Renee thanks them, and Nakamura's music plays as we go to commercial.

- Daniel Bryan comes down to join the broadcast table for tonight's main event.

- Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kevin Owens: Orton is still in the ring with Nakamura and Owens and Zayn make their way out together. Orton takes his time leaving the ring as this singles match opens up. Owens gets the upper hand on Nakamura early on, and he keeps him grounded with a headlock. Owens talks some trash to Orton, who is still at ringside. Nakamura fights up, but Owens drops him again with a knee. Nakamura finally gets off a successful kick to the face, and Owens rolls outside for a breather. Nakamura follows him to ringside, where Owens rams Nakamura into the corner of the ring apron a few times. Back in the ring, Owens hits a senton for a two count, then applies another headlock. Owens slams Nakamura down by his hair, and continues the offense while Nakamura is grounded. Nakamura finally counters a shot and connects with a running knee to the body of Owens. Nakamura tees off with forearm shots to the face, then positions Owens over the corner ropes. Nakamura goes for the running knee, but Owens moves and Nakamura crashes into the turnbuckle. Owens pulls Nakamura outside and whips him into the bawrrier, then beats him down around ringside. Back in the ring, Nakamura starts firing up but Owens shuts him down with a lariat. Nakamura comes back with a heel kick and Orton cheers him on. Nakamura continues to punish Owens and delivers a series of kicks. Owens fires back with a kick of his own, but Nakamura shuts him down with an enziguri. More strikes from Nakamura and then the Good Vibrations. Nakamura keeps the momentum going and sets Owens up on the ropes and connects with a running knee strike. Nakamura takes Owens up top and hits more forearm shots, but Owens fights him off and headbutts him down to the mat. Owens goes for a senton, but Nakamura blocks with his knees. Owens accidentally knocks the ref down, and Bryan gets up from commentary and hits the ring with a ref shirt on. Nakamura blocks a powerbomb attempt and drops Owens for a two count, counted by Bryan. Sami runs in, but so does Orton and Orton drops him. Sami and Orton brawl on the floor, while in the ring Nakamura gets ready for a Kinshasa on Owens. Sami runs back in the ring and Nakamura knocks him down. Owens takes advantage of the distraction and hits the pop up powerbomb on Nakamura. Owens covers, and Bryan counts the three count.

Winner: Kevin Owens

- After the match, Owens and Zayn celebrate up the ramp. Orton checks on Nakamura, and Owens and Zayn taunt them from the stage. Owens gets on the mic and says this proves nobody will be able to stop them, because they are the absolute best. He says they're not just the best on SmackDown, but the entire WWE, and he tries to get a "yep" chant going. SmackDown goes off the air with Owens and Zany continuing to celebrate the big win.


 
Another show built around them and at least a month running where they have been involved in the main event of the show.
 
Seeing them in the Daniel Bryan shirt sucking up to him was comedy heel behaviour at it's best.
 
How the show was booked to end was wonderfully done and made sure that the main selling point for Clash Of Champions stayed on what will happen to these two, rather than people talking about the WWE title match.


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Posted By: L-shizzel
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 22:33
These two being put in a handicapped match for the title instead of a triple threat is interesting but then I guess WWE have been doing triple threat matches all of last year and its time for a change. 

Their partnership I see dissolving in Zayn turning on Owens this time around so that Owens has a chance to try out being a face and he wouldn't have to change much either since the fans already love him the way he is all he has to do is start beating down some heels instead of the faces.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 03/January/2018 at 22:42

Quote AJ Styles vs. Sami Zayn: This one is a non-title match. Kevin Owens is also at ringside, along with Bryan and McMahon. Styles takes down Zayn early on, but Zayn fires back with some right hands and kicks. AJ hits soe chops to the chest, but Sami shuts him down with a back body drop. AJ comes back with a dropkick that stuns Zayn and sends him rolling outside for a breather. Owens checks on him, but AJ and Shane chase him off. Bryan gets between Shane and Owens. AJ throws Sami back in the ring but is distracted by Owens for another moment. On his way back in the ring, AJ eats a boot to the face from Zayn. Zayn turns it around now and continues beating on The Champ That Runs The Camp. AJ fights back with elbows, kicks, and a lariat that drops Zayn. AJ follows up with a forearm shot to the grounded Zayn. AJ hits a splash in the corner, then a pumphandle gutbuster for a two count. Zayn hits some elbows on AJ then drops his throat across the top rope. Sami goes up top, but AJ knocks his leg out from under him. AJ lifts Sami off the top rope in a fireman's carry and drops him into a neckbreaker for a two count. AJ looks for the Styles Clash, but Sami blocks it. Sami escapes and hits a Blue Thunder Bomb for a two count. Zayn waits for AJ to get up then goes for a big boot, but AJ ducks and locks Sami in the Calf Crusher. Zayn reaches the bottom rope to break the hold. AJ and Sami trade strikes in the middle of the ring until AJ stuns him with a Pele kick. AJ hits an elbow to the face, then he attempts the Phenomenal Forearm, but Zayn ducks. The ref dives outside to avoid behind hit by Styles, and Owens distracts the ref. AJ rolls up Zayn in the ring, but the ref is distracted by Owens. The ref gets back in and counts two. Shane shoves Owens, then yells at the ref and the ref ejects Kevin from ringside. Bryan gets on the mic and tells Shane if Owens is leaving, then Shane should leave with him. After the distraction, Zayn hits a running big boot to AJ and rolls him up for the three count.

Winner: Sami Zayn- Sami and Kevin

The problem now is if neither of them win the title they look weak with the man advantage.
 
Sami has improved greatly as a heel. I think he's great now pretty much doing his babyface act but coming across as the dickhead we didn't previously notice, without much of a character change.
 
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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 04/January/2018 at 19:20
I mentioned in the SD thread I can see Shane changing this match to a triple threat match and that's how we see AJ retain...I can't see Shane allowing it to stand this way.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 04/January/2018 at 19:24
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

I mentioned in the SD thread I can see Shane changing this match to a triple threat match and that's how we see AJ retain...I can't see Shane allowing it to stand this way.


Agreed or someone else will be added, bizarre move to make a handicap title match, very heelish move by Bryan.

A triple-threat would actually be a very good match although obviously there will be a lot of double-teaming but at some point we will see Zayn and Owens go at it as only one of them can lift the title.

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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 04/January/2018 at 19:30
I'd expect Styles to retain after a pretty by the book "heels win until McMahon gets involved and then surprise retain" match.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 04/January/2018 at 19:48
Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

I'd expect Styles to retain after a pretty by the book "heels win until McMahon gets involved and then surprise retain" match.

Of course shenanigans will result in AJ retaining. However if the rumoured 5 way match at Fastlane is going down as hotshot to one of the heels is perfectly plausible too.


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Posted By: Tom Colohue
Date Posted: 05/January/2018 at 15:26
I find that rumoured match unlikely. A lot of rumoured main events change nowadays and this seems a perfect subterfuge to make you think that none of the SD top guys are winning the Rumble.

I'm extremely confident, and have been since June, that Roman is going to face Brock via an Elimination Chamber win. That means that Smackdown will win the Rumble. Dolph Ziggler is the only contender out of those five and Ziggler against any of those guys means little to nothing (though he does put on great matches)

I still believe that Nakamura is winning the Rumble. That said, Owens could take the title and Sami could win the Rumble or vice versa.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 05/January/2018 at 15:48
Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

I find that rumoured match unlikely. A lot of rumoured main events change nowadays and this seems a perfect subterfuge to make you think that none of the SD top guys are winning the Rumble.

I'm extremely confident, and have been since June, that Roman is going to face Brock via an Elimination Chamber win. That means that Smackdown will win the Rumble. Dolph Ziggler is the only contender out of those five and Ziggler against any of those guys means little to nothing (though he does put on great matches)

I still believe that Nakamura is winning the Rumble. That said, Owens could take the title and Sami could win the Rumble or vice versa.


I would have agreed with you a little while ago but I now wonder if Nakamura’s lukewarm performances on Smackdown so far have convinced WWE to go in a different direction. Is it far fetched to predict a Styles vs Ziggler title match for Wrestlemania? Maybe but it could happen. Styles vs Owens or Owens vs Zayn could happen too but I think Zayn/Owens will be involved in a match with Shane and Bryan in some shape or form.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 24/January/2018 at 13:44
Quote Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn come down to the ring to kick off this week's show. They get on the mic and start ranting about SD Commissioner Shane McMahon, and WWE Champion AJ Styles. They say AJ has no chance at leaving the Royal Rumble with the strap. They say not only will they take the Title from AJ on Sunday, but they're going to hurt him. AJ comes out to the stage to interrupt. AJ says they have the advantage Sunday since it's a handicap match, but as long as he has any fight left in his body, he will make sure they do not become co-WWE Champion. AJ reminds them that this is the house AJ Styles built. Owens and Zayn propose that AJ wrestle them in separate singles matches tonight, back to back, to see what Styles has got. Daniel Bryan comes out to interrupt, and says enough is enough. Bryan says Owens and Zayn are two of the best to step in the ring, and they're right about how hard it is to win a handicap match, but he has the upmost faith in AJ. AJ cuts on Bryan and questions his motives. AJ says he accepts the two matches against Owens and Zayn tonight, and he's going to be the one hurting them. AJ drops the mic and has a brief stare-down with Bryan before leaving.

- Daniel Bryan is backsktage with Shane McMahon. Shane doesn't like that AJ is being booked in two matches right before a Title defense on Sunday. Bryan says he has faith in AJ, and Shane says he isn't sure if Bryan is shooting straight with him. Bryan asks if Shane is questioning AJ's ability to defend himself tonight, and Shane says he's not.

AJ Styles comes out to the ring, and then Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn come out. Before Owens and Zayn get to the ring, Shane McMahon comes out and orders that Zayn not be at ringside for Owens' singles match against Styles. Shane tells Zayn to come backstage with him, while Owens protests that Daniel Bryan said it was okay for Zayn to be at ringside. Shane says if there is any interference tonight from either of them, they will be fired. Shane ends up leaving and taking Zayn backstage.

- AJ Styles vs. Kevin Owens: Owens starts off strong here and beats down AJ in the corner. Owens goes for the running cannonball in the corner, but AJ dodges it. AJ drops Owens and locks in the Calf Crusher in the middle of the ring. Owens tries to fight it off, but taps out, and AJ wins via submission after a very short match.

Winner: AJ Styles

- After the bell, AJ continues to hold onto the Calf Crusher until Sami Zayn runs down and breaks it up. Sami hits a cheap shot on AJ and then starts beating him down all over ringside. We see Shane and Daniel backstage watching on a monitor as Zayn pummels on AJ in front of the broadcast table at ringside. Sami gets in the ring and AJ starts to recover. AJ tells the ref he's good to go, and the ref starts the Zayn vs. Styles match net. Owens is still at ringside selling his leg from the Calf Crusher. According to Shane McMahon, if Owens tries to interfere, he will be fired.

- AJ Styles vs. Sami Zayn: Sami immediately takes the fight to AJ and starts beating him down on the mat. We see company staffers and medics still checking on Owens at ringside. Shane and Daniel are still watching on a monitor backstage. AJ ducks a shot from Sami and fires back with a series of strikes. AJ hits a running forearm shot on Sami, then hits a splash in the corner. AJ goes for a fireman's carry, but Sami escapes. AJ throws Sami out to ringside right next to Owens. Styles follows up with a suicide plancha on Sami at ringside. AJ throws Sami back in the ring, then gets on the apron. AJ turns his attention to Owens, then starts beating him down at ringside. Zayn rolls back out to ringside and clotheslines Styles down to the floor. Back in the ring, Zayn and AJ trade strikes back and forth. They fight up to the top turnbuckle where AJ hits a Frankensteiner on Sami. They trade strikes again until AJ catches Zayn with a fireman's carry neckbreaker for a two count. AJ goes for the Styles Clash, but Zayn fights out. Sami hits a kick and a chop, then a tornado DDT. Zayn charges at AJ in the corner, but AJ stops him with a boot to the face. AJ goes for the moonsault reverse DDT and misses, but he does connect with a Pele kick for a 2 count. Sami fights back with some elbows to the face, then a Michinoku Driver for a 2 count of his own. Owens is still being loaded on to a stretcher at ringside, and he seems to be stalling so he can keep watching the match. Sami and AJ fight back up to the top turnbuckle, but AJ slides through the legs and drops Sami. AJ hits boot to the midsection and attempts the Styles Clash, but Sami escapes and rolls outside. AJ kicks Sami from the apron, then throws him back in the ring. AJ turns his attention to Owens again, and this time flips him off the stretcher at ringside. Referee Charles Robinson tries to cal down AJ. AJ rolls back in the ring and Sami immediately hits a big boot, then a Blue Thunder Bomb for the three count.

Winner: Sami Zayn

- After the match, Owens struggles up to his feet to congratulate Zayn on the win. Owens and Zayn celebrate in the ring as AJ lays on the mat. Owens and Zayn stand over AJ and yell at him, then raise their hands as SmackDown goes off the air.

Credit to Shane. He's been booked to look dumb to make these two look great on many occasions now, as they usually find a way to get around whatever obsticle he puts in front of them.
 
With the simple formula E books we can say that AJ Styles retains after losing on Smackdown.
 
I just hope Zayn/Owens don't look weak in defeat considering they have a man advantage.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 10/March/2018 at 19:04
Quote If you thought that WWE would book former Universal Champion Kevin Owens against Sami Zayn in a singles match at WrestleMania 34, then you would be wrong.

Dave Meltzer reported in the latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter that although a singles match is the obvious match to book for these SmackDown stars, that is not the case. In fact, plans for them keep changing. There was one idea for the duo to battle Shane McMahon and a partner at the big event.


The current plan for right now is to have Owens and Zayn compete in the Andre the Giant Battle Royal.


That’s a shame for Owens and Zayn who deserve better, but if there are no real plans I guess it does give some name value to The Andre the Giant Battle Royal and they could use it as a storyline where Zayn/Owens continue their dispute with management saying they were held back not getting a proper match on the Wrestlemania card. As much as Mania spots are coveted WWE do have to prepare for afterwards as well when the part-timers all go home.

I did read another report that the original plan was for Daniel Bryan and Shane vs Zayn and Owens but due to DB’s physical condition he would be booked to mainly stand on the apron and have very limited physical participation, Daniel apparently refused to do this.




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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 11/March/2018 at 20:14
Theres no way they are not facing off in singles action

Why would you waste what has been pretty much a year long storyline by putting them in the Andre the Giant battle royal

Seeing as how they were booked in ROH, i wonder if they will do a loser leaves type match that would see one of them taking some time off TV or maybe switching shows. Given what has happened lately and they are both involved in the multi man match at Fastlane, it makes perfect sense for that match to start the final push between the 2 up until Mania


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 12/March/2018 at 14:04
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Theres no way they are not facing off in singles action

Why would you waste what has been pretty much a year long storyline by putting them in the Andre the Giant battle royal

Seeing as how they were booked in ROH, i wonder if they will do a loser leaves type match that would see one of them taking some time off TV or maybe switching shows. Given what has happened lately and they are both involved in the multi man match at Fastlane, it makes perfect sense for that match to start the final push between the 2 up until Mania

Trouble is the Wrestlemania card is stacked, there is not really room for a singles match between Zayn and Owens that will be in the low card maybe even the pre-show where it wont be granted the time it deserves. I would actually rather they continue the storyline within the Andre the Giant Battle Royal(which I believe is the plan) and then have them square off at the next PPV where they can be allocated sufficient time and a decent spot on the card.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 12/March/2018 at 15:35
Quote Owens drops Cena now, then gets in the ring and comes face to face with Sami. Sami lays down like he’s going to let Owens pin him, but then he grabs Owens and rolls him up in a small package for a two count. Owens and Sami start throwing right hands in the ring now, then they fight out to ringside where Owens whips Sami into the barricade. Owens looks for a powerbomb, but Sami escapes. They go up to the apron where Owens looks for the powerbomb again, but Sami revereses into a back drop on Owens on the apron. Sami gets in Shane’s face now at ringside, and Shane stands up. Owens goes to superkick Sami but Sami ducks and he superkicks Shane instead. Shane is down, and Sami hits a tornado DDT on Owens.
 
Hate that they appear to still be fueding with eachother, when they are much better on the same page.
 
By now I expected them to work together to take out both of Smackdown management and cut a big promo of how nobody can break their friendship.
 
The pin part of the match was weird. Why was Owens going down to hook the leg? Just put your foot on Sami and win the title. That way you don't risk what happened with the roll through.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 13/March/2018 at 14:34
Have you never seen Kurt Angle in that position and turn it into an ankle lock? That's no safer at all.

All this just builds to a triple threat of Sami vs Owens vs Shane with Daniel Bryan as special guest referee. That's my guess at least.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 14/March/2018 at 15:26
Quote Kevin Owens does an interiew in the back where he says he's tired of Sami Zayn blaming him for everything. He says Sami is a delusional liar who is blaming him for his problems. He says Shane screwed him out of the WWE Title on Sunday, and Shane wasn't needed at ringside at all. Owens says he has no problem beating him Sami and showing him the truth.
 
We see Shane McMahon backstage walking towards the gorilla position.

- There's a promo video for the Mixed Match Challenge with Rusev and Lana.

- Smackdown Commissioner Shane McMahon comes down to the ring as the announcers show us some shots from his involvement at Fastlane on Sunday. Shane gets on the mic and discusses the various issues with Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. Shane mentions Owens beating up his dad Vince months ago, and Sami intefering in the Hell In A Cell match. He says he talked to Daniel Bryan today, and Bryan will be back next week. Shane says when Bryan returns, Shane will take an indefinite leave of absence from Smackown. Before he leaves, Shane wants to make one more match, and he books Kevin Owens vs. Sami Zayn for WrestleMania 34. Owens comes out to interrupt and he complains about the match. Sami comes out next and says he's glad Shane is leaving. Shane says he just gave him a WrestleMania match but he's still ungrateful. Owens says they'll give Shane something to appreciate, and Owens and Zayn start beating down Shane. Shane tries to fight them off, but they overpower him and boot him in the face. Owens hits the Pop Up Powerbomb on Shane next. They bring Shane down to the floor and continue the assault. The put a chair over Shane's head then throw him into the ring post. They drag Shane up the ramp and drag him through the curtain. They powerbomb Shane onto some production equipment, and a referee calls for paramedics. Owens and Zayn walk off, as paramedics put a mask on Shane and loak him on to the stretcher as SmackDown goes off the air.

Shane is the boss of a show that has hundreds of workers on site, and nobody wanted to help out the guy who pays their wages from taking a beating.
 
Shane sold the beating so well, but the downside was when he was dragged to the back, I wanted him to be taken to Vince in the Gorilla position like Roman went to the night before. Would have been so heelish for a look what we've done to your son moment.
 
Next week when Daniel Bryan returns it's going to be good to see where this goes, because the scheduled one on one is surely not happening, especially after the dead crowd reaction to the announcement......


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 14/March/2018 at 18:40
I had a feeling they would make the singles match between Owens and Zayn for Mania, however i dont think that match is finished yet.

Based on the way the storyline has gone and what happened at the end of Smackdown - Shane will somehow be added to the match to make it a triple threat


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 15/March/2018 at 10:16
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

I had a feeling they would make the singles match between Owens and Zayn for Mania, however i dont think that match is finished yet.

Based on the way the storyline has gone and what happened at the end of Smackdown - Shane will somehow be added to the match to make it a triple threat


I think it’s more likely Shane and a partner will take on Sami and Kevin.

The original idea apparently was Daniel Bryan and Shane vs Owens/Zayn but DB refused as WWE would only allow him to have extremely limited physical interaction in the match, so unless Bryan has been cleared to wrestle it will be someone else.

I hope they keep the Owens and Zayn alliance going for a while longer, it still has legs and I prefer it to seeing yet another Owens and Zayn feud which feels like it’s been done to death.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 17/March/2018 at 14:31
Had a thought WWE could book this as a easy way to have a big name make a surprise appearance, it’s simple.....

Have Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon scheduled to take on Owens and Zayn, just prior to the match or even on the go home edition of Smackdown or perhaps the Wrestlemania pre-show Zayn/Owens attack Bryan and ‘injure’ him taking him out of the match, the beating could take place off camera just showing a laid out Bryan backstage so that way he doesn’t have to do any physical stuff.
Shane’O comes out and then his partner is revealed to be someone like Goldberg or Batista making a surprise appearance, failing that they could even do a NXT debut maybe Alistair Black for example.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 17/March/2018 at 14:53
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Had a thought WWE could book this as a easy way to have a big name make a surprise appearance, it’s simple.....

Have Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon scheduled to take on Owens and Zayn, just prior to the match or even on the go home edition of Smackdown or perhaps the Wrestlemania pre-show Zayn/Owens attack Bryan and ‘injure’ him taking him out of the match, the beating could take place off camera just showing a laid out Bryan backstage so that way he doesn’t have to do any physical stuff.
Shane’O comes out and then his partner is revealed to be someone like Goldberg or Batista making a surprise appearance, failing that they could even do a NXT debut maybe Alistair Black for example.

The only thing is - if they tease at Bryan having an in-ring return - have him attacked and injured so he cant compete - it will cause absolute uproar and maybe more harm than good.

There are a huge portion of fans that want to see Bryan wrestle again.

This could work though - as long as they actually clear Bryan to wrestle and then have him finally make his in ring return at Backlash - if they just leave it after that then it wont go down well with the fans at all


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 21/March/2018 at 19:15
It has been great how these 2 have been booked over the past few weeks - WWE are finally getting the most out of them.

The "Firing" them storyline was surely a way to get them to hate on Bryan and attack him so they can bring them back and have a tag match at Mania?

Owens is gold!!


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/April/2018 at 13:40
Quote We see a video package looking back at the history between Kevin OWens, Sami Zayn, Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan.

 Shane McMahon & Daniel Bryan vs. Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn: If Owens and Zayn win, they get their jobs back. We get a video package about the “yes” chants before Bryan’s entrance. Owens and Zayn attack from behind before the match and they beat down Bryan and McMahon all over ringside. They powerbomb Bryan onto the ring apron, and the ref and Shane call for medics to check out Bryan. Owens and Zayn dare Shane to come in to the ring and face them, and Shane does and calls for the ring bell. Shane punches Sami off the apron and then pummels on Owens. Shane hits a flying elbow on Owens, then punches out Sami, and Shane is still selling his injuries. Shane beats on Sami in the corner, then hits a big boot on Owens. Shane hits a DDT on Sami, then Owens drops Shane and stomps on him in the corner. Owens and Zayn now take turns tagging and beating on Shane. Sami hits the Blue Thunder Bomb on Shane for a two count. Sami misses a shot in the corner and Shane hangs him up on the ropes and stomps on him. Owens misses a shot and Shane throws him outside. Sami is still hanging upside down in the corner, and Shane goes up top on the opposite corner. Shane hits the coast to coast dropkick on Sami in the opposite corner. Shane pins but OWens breaks it up. Owens follows up with a frogsplash off the top on Shane and pins, but Daniel Bryan comes out of nowhere and breaks up the pin. Owens misses a shot on Shane, then Sami comes in and Shane drops him with a back suplex. Bryan gets the hot tag and starts cleaning house. Owens tries to attack Bryan from behind, but Bryan hits a back suplex on him, and then a running dropkick on Sami. He hits a series of running dropkicks on both Owens and Zayn in opposing corners. Bryan takes Sami up top and hits a Frankensteiner. Owens distracts Bryan and Sami hits the big boot on Bryan for a two count. Owens comes in and hits the Pop Up Powerbomb on Bryan for a two count. Shane pulls Owens outside and hits a splash off the apron on him. Sami starts punching Bryan, but Bryan starts no-selling and lays into Sami with punches and slaps. He hits a knee to the face, then the “yes kicks.” Bryan follows up with a running knee to the face, and then the Yes Lock. Sami taps out, and Bryan and McMahon have won.

Winners: Shane McMahon & Daniel Bryan

– Bryan kisses his wife at ringside and then celebrates the victory with Shane.

 
So I guess they are going to Raw, even though the storyline makes little sense.
 
In a position of management you can't be professional enough to look past differences and instead are willing to weaken your brand by losing two of the biggest names on it Confused
 
They do need a rebuild after looking so weak against a 40 plus year old guy who wrestles a few times a year and a guy back from retirement after three years.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 09/April/2018 at 14:39
Zayn and Owens should have won, Bryan should have gotten fired (and moved to Raw). But the bright side is that Zayn and Owens obviously aren't fired legit so they'll move to Raw or find some other way back into Smackdown, and Bryan looked great in the ring, so hopefully he and light a fire under the people he works with and feud with AJ Styles soon maybe as the main event of Summerslam? AJ Styles (c) defending against Daniel Bryan?

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 09/April/2018 at 16:26
Bryan wasn't going to lose his first match back and it had been rumoured for a while plans were in place to move Zayn and Owens to Raw which I assume is now the plan, if so they will need to switch some decent heel talent to Smackdown to fill that void.

It was a solid enough match and obviously the fans were pumped for Bryan's in-ring return and he looked sharp. Shane did more than I expected too what with his health issues. In summary this was one of the highlights of a poor Wrestlemania.



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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 10/April/2018 at 05:47
So they just showed up on Raw and Kurt Angle said the tag divisions. Was full but "I hear TNA is hiring." This even got the live audience to chant holy shit.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 12/April/2018 at 02:25
Yep think that’s the first time TNA have been referred to directly by name on WWE tv. At least that gives us a idea of what WWE think of them, clearly not very much.

Not sure where they are going with this storyline, I think we know neither man will be legit fired but at this point I really don’t know which brand they will end up on. The main issue here is that in the case of Owens he was right on the verge of establishing himself as a headliner when this feud with Shane started, now he seems to be firmly back in the mid-card pretty much on a par with Zayn. This alliance has helped Zayn but it’s lowered the status of Owens.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 16/May/2018 at 15:07
Quote It looks like WWE is planning a slow-burn feud between Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. The pair have had a back-and-forth relationship throughout the years on WWE TV. Currently they’re allies on WWE TV, as Zayn helped Owens qualify for the Men’s https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/money-in-the-bank" rel="nofollow - Money In The Bank (MITB) Ladder match.

https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/dave-meltzer" rel="nofollow - Dave Meltzer of https://www.f4wonline.com/" rel="nofollow - Wrestling Observer Radio reports that Zayn and Owens sill eventually turn on one another again and begin a feud. It should be interesting to see if the feud drags out long enough to produce a singles match at https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/wrestlemania-35" rel="nofollow - WrestleMania 35 .

Noticeable that they were kept apart on Smackdown. I wouldn't be against them only being paired together every now and then, so it's not overkill.
 
They are good enough to be solo guys and if they are seen together too much, they end up looking like a demoted tag team pairing.
 
What I don't want is to see them wrestle eachother anytime soon.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 16/May/2018 at 19:28
Their stuff in NXT was really good - could they top that in WWE? i dunno.

They need to change from this shit they keep doing with upper management so im up for anything that gives them something different to what they have now


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