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Topic: Brock Lesnar returns to UFC
Posted By: Rico Len
Subject: Brock Lesnar returns to UFC
Date Posted: 05/June/2016 at 16:05
http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/15961833/brock-lesnar-return-ufc-200-fighter-yet-named

WWE has granted Brock Lesnar a 1 night leave to return to the UFC to fight at UFC 200. Lesnar is still under contract with the WWE and will be back at Summerslam, but for the time being Lesnar is training to fight for the UFC once again.

More importantly, Vince McMahon is showing Dana White he is the bigger man by allowing Brock to perform at a UFC event while under contract despite Dana White not allowing Ronda Rousey to perform at WrestleMania even though she desperately wants to.

IMO That is the big news here. With Vince one-upping Dana White, it's possible that we could see other UFC fighters allowed to work with the WWE in one-off performances at big 4 events.



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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 05/June/2016 at 21:14
Brock has a Raw appearance two days after the fight, so it's even more interesting to see what he's gonna look like then. I think that seeing Brock on Raw with a swollen face would go all over the memes like crazy. 

Regardless of how the fight at UFC 200 turns out, I think that while his SummerSlam match will obviously be one sided, I think it would also completely change the whole structure of the match. I think Brock will be booked to rely on his MMA skills throughout the entire match in a one sided match at SummerSlam rather than suplex after suplex, and then win the match with his Kimura Lock.

If Brock wins this fight, there is no doubt that Vince will push him to the stratosphere. If the person that Brock beats at UFC 200 is Mark Hunt, I think that WWE will capitalize on it by having Brock decimate Roman to win the title like he did John Cena at SummerSlam two years ago, but in an MMA style way rather than suplex after suplex. Doing that and having him leave could be a good way of how they go about creating a second World Title since that's what WWE wants to do.


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 05/June/2016 at 21:58
I think there's more money in it if Brock loses to the NEXT next big thing in the WWE. I still think Dean Ambrose ought to pick a fight with Lesnar again especially if Lesnar wins, and then should go over at Summerslam. If not him, then Owens, and if not Owens, then Samoa Joe. In ALL of these cases Lesnar should lose.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 06/June/2016 at 22:15
I think it's shit because.......

1) If Brock loses he won't look as invincible in WWE.

2) Both companies are after a similar kind of audience so allowing him to appear for both looks poor.

Don't see the point in doing UFC as a one off fight.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 07/June/2016 at 00:09
http://www.kayfabenews.com/lesnar-vows-conquer-punks-ufc-undefeated-streak/

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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 07/June/2016 at 10:28
So he's fighting Mark Hunt (YAY NEW ZEALAND!). Perfect choice for him really. Hunt is a big attraction because of his style, but he's also not a top-tier guy that would smash the shit out of Lesnar. Should draw well and be an entertaining bout without too much risk of making Lesnar look like a dickhead.

I don't like Hunt's chances at all. He's one of the better strikers in the company but he can't wrestle to save himself, if Lesnar can take it to the ground he'll dominate. If he tries to look cool standing up he could very well get the absolute shit kicked out of him.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 07/June/2016 at 16:10
Bet365 have Brock nicely priced then if you are correct with your information Raven......



If people think Brock is going to beat the odds on favourite than maybe the value is in both guys making it to the end of the first round.

Not often that Lesnar is seen as an underdog, but he's got history at upsetting the odds.


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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 08/June/2016 at 18:34
I personally think that Brock should have his WWE music to walk out to for this.

They had him come out to Enter Sandman and then Nickel Size Hail when he was first in UFC, none of which were good matches for Brock. His WWE entrance music is up there as one of the GOAT entrance themes and if you think about it, it really is the only entrance music he should ever have or will ever need for anything in his entire life. Everything about it symbolizes everything that Brock is, and him having walkout music that is something other than his WWE music should be considered a crime. It could also easily score a Japanese monster movie or a gruesome slasher flick simply because of how loud and unrelenting it is. When that guitar blares on the loudspeakers, everybody in that arena that specific night and those watching know that destruction isn’t just imminent, it’s guaranteed, and if someone has the misfortune of being there in that ring at the time, only one thing should come to their mind, and that is "Here Comes The Pain".


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/June/2016 at 22:32
God I hope Lesnar loses...

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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 07/July/2016 at 06:07
And now this is main eventing because Jones got taken out of the event.


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 07/July/2016 at 07:07
Lol this is gonna be great!

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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 09/July/2016 at 22:08
I'm honestly most interested in seeing what Brock's face will look like on Raw this Monday.


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/July/2016 at 23:25
Brock has shortened and his opponents odds have lengthened since the pic earlier in this thread which either means......

1) Brock was overpriced by bookies to begin with.

2) Wrestling fans are simply backing "one of their own".

Brock is still the outsider. With his advancing years, known health issues and being out action for so long i'd say it's a big ask for him to win, but hope he does.

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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 10/July/2016 at 02:32
Advancing age? He's four years younger than Mark Hunt.

Do you actually know anything about Hunt or are you basing your opinion entirely on Lesnar without taking his opponent into account at all?


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 10/July/2016 at 13:59
Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

Advancing age? He's four years younger than Mark Hunt.

Do you actually know anything about Hunt or are you basing your opinion entirely on Lesnar without taking his opponent into account at all?


I based it on many factors including......

1) It being the first fight of Brock in years.

2) How many fights Hunt has had since Brock last fought.

3) The major health issues Brock has had.

I doubt it will be his last fight in UFC now. He's bound to fight again. Shame with only three rounds that even if every judge says you won, 2 rounds to 1 doesn't look as convincing.


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Posted By: Raven
Date Posted: 10/July/2016 at 14:20
It was a convincing win though. I said it when the fight was announced, Hunt's chance was to knock Brock the fuck out. If it went to a wrestling game Brock was going to dominate, time away from MMA or not. That's exactly what happened. You hand Lesnar a heavy-handed striker, this is exactly what the fight will look like every time, if they want an actual interesting match they need to give him a wrestler.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 10/July/2016 at 15:41
Disappointed. Have a feeling Brock will be wwe champion again soon.

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Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 10/July/2016 at 20:23
And the fact that Brock has to do Raw without Paul E. tomorrow.


Posted By: Dukezilla
Date Posted: 19/July/2017 at 22:13
Reports are surfacing that Brock is back in the USADA testing pool. In addition to that, it appears as though he informed WWE that he won't be re-signing after WrestleMania. 

If Brock wants to fight again, it should not be in the UFC. Rather, it should be Bellator, who appears to be in the 1991/1992 WCW phase where they're signing guys who would be the wrestling equivalent of Rick Rude and Jake "The Snake" Roberts, and things could start to get real interesting when really big names jump over, which seems inevitable. Is Jon Jones happy in UFC? McGregor? It doesn't seem like it. Either Lesnar or one name like that, and the floodgates will open. Either one of those two or signing Lesnar would be a great start for having that long stretch of better buyrates and ratings than the UFC.

Bellator is also not a complete sham as UFC has proven to be, and them signing Lesnar would then establish them as the WCW of MMA, where they're going after all these big name fighters. They've already got Ortiz, Rampage, Wanderlei, Shamrock, Kongo, Fedor, Nelson etc.

Brock/Fedor and Brock/Shamrock would both be big money fights and would easily outdraw anything the UFC has done in the past 10 years. And then there's the Brock/Lashley fight that could make the company good money. 


Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 20/July/2017 at 07:16
We'll see at Summerslam I guess. If he's told them he isn't going to sign back up they'll be pulling the title off him surely?

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Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 20/July/2017 at 21:29
Originally posted by Dukezilla Dukezilla wrote:

Bellator is also not a complete sham as UFC has proven to be, and them signing Lesnar would then establish them as the WCW of MMA, where they're going after all these big name fighters. They've already got Ortiz, Rampage, Wanderlei, Shamrock, Kongo, Fedor, Nelson etc.



All these guys are washed up as fuck, like seriously Shamrock hasn't won a fight since 2010.



Originally posted by Dukezilla Dukezilla wrote:

Brock/Fedor and Brock/Shamrock would both be big money fights and would easily outdraw anything the UFC has done in the past 10 years. And then there's the Brock/Lashley fight that could make the company good money. 



No athletic sanctioning body is gonna sanction a Lesnar/Shamrock fight. The guy is 53 years old and decrepit.

Fedor is losing to bums in second rate organisations. I've literally never read a more inaccurate opinion on MMA than that post, it's almost as if you are a paid Bellator shill.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 21/July/2017 at 17:06
Lesnar will go to UFC anyway as they will offer the biggest pay day and that's really all he's interested in.

But in any rate I think these rumours are nothing more than negotiating tactics from Brock, is it a coincidence that once again these rumours are circling a few months before his WWE deal expires just like they did last time and in the end Brock landed himself a fat pay day on a three year part time WWE contract.

Lesnar is nearly 40 and he knows he's on to a good thing earning top dollar for a handful of matches per year in WWE, who else can get paid like he does for just standing in the ring while Heyman talks.

One thing I have noticed with Brock is his last few matches have all been very short, is this a sign that he no longer has the stamina to work longer matches, I know many folk were disappointed his highly anticipated match with Samoa Joe only ran for around ten minutes, his matches with Orton and Goldberg didn't even hit the ten minute mark.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 21/July/2017 at 21:49
I'd say let him go and do what he pleases. Spend the money you'd save on paying Brock on fresh talent and getting behind up and coming guys to make the next big thing, the current thing. Sod playing games.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 22/July/2017 at 10:01
Especially if he can't go in the ring anymore, I know he's a draw but that will soon wear off when people realise all we will ever get from Lesnar is a 5-10 minute lazy performance in the ring. I did enjoy his match with Samoa Joe but I think most will agree it should have been so much more and will be remembered as a disappointment.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 31/July/2017 at 16:07
Quote From Jim Ross Website.......

Interesting sound bytes from Brock Lesnar and Jon Jones regarding the potential of a @UFC fight between the two perhaps some day in the future. Both men were accomplished amateur grapplers from their college days and both are badass alpha males but make no mistake about it that this surprising, and not so timely dialog, Jones fights Daniel Cromier this Saturday on PPV,  is all about selling a big money fight for UFC who is in need of as many new, marketable fights as they can create while their rising stars continue to ascend. 

With the investment in purchasing UFC so lofty, the new, UFC needs to produce some revenue 'hits' and there is no doubt that a Lesnar-Jones fight would generate north of 1M PPV buys quite easily, I'm thinking.

Yes, I do think that Brock Lesnar will again fight in the UFC because he can generate a giant, payday(s) for his family and, I assume, would still maintain a positive relationship with @WWE. Seems like this matter of  Lesnar return to UFC is inevitable and should be a win/win for all involved as it relates to the cash (and it's all about the cash).

Winning or losing a UFC fight won't hamper Lesnar's value to WWE in the least to my way of thinking. Based on what I know, I see no reason that a Lesnar return to UFC would cease Brock's WWE paydays over the long haul. 

I still think that a Lesnar return to UFC with a fight against my @AXSTV broadcast partner and the youngest UFC Heavyweight Champion ever, Josh Barnett, is also a 'money fight' because both former heavyweight champs can't realistically, and for promotion purposes, afford another loss if they want to truly regain main event relevance in the future. 

High stakes sells big fights.

I would hope he would be sensible to put his long term health above a pay cheque.

It's why he stopped UFC the first time around and now he's much older, so therefore it would be much harder for him to compete.

Especially as he blows hard in less than ten minutes in the protected E environment.


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