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Topic: Braun Strowman On Raw
Posted By: admin
Subject: Braun Strowman On Raw
Date Posted: 06/September/2015 at 14:41
Quote Braun Strowman vs. Dean Ambrose

We go to the ring and out comes Braun Strowman with Luke Harper and Bray Wyatt. We get a replay of Braun’s debut last week and his appearance on SmackDown. Wyatt takes the mic and thanks Sister Abigail for his greatest gift – The Black Sheep, Braun Strowman. Wyatt says Braun’s night is tonight and he will show the WWE Universe why he exists. Wyatt goes on and tells Braun to remove his mask to show the face of destruction. Braun takes the mic and says this isn’t the beginning, it’s the end… the apocalypse. He drops the mic and we go to commercial.

Back from the break and out comes Dean Ambrose. He stops at ringside and out comes his back-up through the crowd – Roman Reigns. The bell rings and Ambrose finally attacks but Braun shoves him to the mat. Braun tosses Ambrose across the ring a few times. Braun drops Ambrose with a big right hand as Harper and Wyatt look on from the bottom of the ramp. Fans chant for Ambrose as Reigns looks on from ringside. Ambrose ducks a clothesline and unloads with strikes but Braun grabs him by his face. Braun drops Ambrose to his knees and hits a big running boot that sends Ambrose out to the floor. Braun follows and sends Ambrose into the barrier. Braun crushes Ambrose’s face into the barrier and pushes him at Reigns’ feet. Braun takes Ambrose over to the announce table area but Reigns attacks him from behind for the disqualification.

Winner by DQ: Braun Strowman

– After the bell, Braun fights Reigns off and sends him int the barrier. Ambrose comes over but Braun tosses him over the announce table. Reigns gets tossed over the barrier. Ambrose jumps off the announce table but Braun tosses him on the floor. Braun picks Reigns up and just tosses him into the ropes like he’s nothing from the floor. Braun brings it in the ring and applies the choke on Reigns. Ambrose with a chair shot from behind but it does nothing. Ambrose gets dropped again. Harper finally comes in and superkicks Reigns down. Braun chokes Ambrose out and drops him besides Reigns as fans boo. Wyatt motions Braun to pick Reigns up and he drops him again. Wyatt comes in the ring now and has Braun pick Reigns up. Wyatt turns upside down in the corner and hits Sister Abigail on Reigns. Fans boo as The Wyatt Family poses over Reigns.


He struggled with basic things like a simple throw out of the ring which Ambrose had to oversell to HBK vs Hogan proportions.

The whole character has minimal shelf life for a push and i'm surprised he's been allowed a live TV match in a one on one situation so soon on the flagship show.

They should for now at least protect him in tag team matches on shows like Smackdown that can be edited.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 06/September/2015 at 17:21
Have to agree with that, it was a very left field call to bring him up ahead of a guy like Corbin (That's for a different thread of course) or using a smaller guy and use Adam Rose. They've made a big call with Braun so they'll back him for as long as possible.

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Posted By: EdgeHead
Date Posted: 07/September/2015 at 07:04
I think we're gonna see Baron Corbin getting involved with the Wyatt Family sooner than we think. After all, Roman Reigns & Dean Ambrose do need a partner for Night of Champions...


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 07/September/2015 at 07:41
Ugh...i still want cesaro for the new member of the Shield.

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Posted By: doc
Date Posted: 30/August/2016 at 17:59
what is going on with the WWE and Braun Strowman , for some reason they keep putting him up against all these small guys who dont stand a chance against him, i personally would like to see him go up against some one like Titus O,neil or someone of similar size or at the very least someone who has a chance against him, his matches at the moment are extremely boring because you can see there is no challenge there for him, What do you guys think ?


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 30/August/2016 at 22:21
Originally posted by doc doc wrote:

what is going on with the WWE and Braun Strowman , for some reason they keep putting him up against all these small guys who dont stand a chance against him, i personally would like to see him go up against some one like Titus O,neil or someone of similar size or at the very least someone who has a chance against him, his matches at the moment are extremely boring because you can see there is no challenge there for him, What do you guys think ?


Welcome to the forum man. I hate any squash match against random jobber, so until that stops my interest in him is going to be very low.

I'm not sure he can survive as a solo guy because he comes across as a generic big man.

Maybe he needs a mouthpiece to help him on his way?


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Posted By: doc
Date Posted: 31/August/2016 at 04:19
thankyou for the welcome, it would be a good move to introduce someone to be a spokes person for him, and also if they gave him a  bit of an angle to work with instead of just some brute who comes in and beats the crap out of a nobody each week maybe even partner him up with one of the older guys like Big Show or Mark Henry as a tag team until he gets a bit more in ring experience then once he is ready do a story line where they have a falling out and have a battle of the giants or something along those lines, i reckon it would be interesting as long as they market him properly 


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 31/August/2016 at 14:46
Quote Braun Strowman vs. Americo

Americo is a masked luchadore with American themed attire. Byron Saxton tried to get comments from him before the match, but he got scared when Strowman’s music hit. Strowman with huge knees to Americo in the corner. Strowman tosses Americo on his shoulder and goes corner to corner. Strowman slams Americo down hard on the mat. Strowman puts a hand over Americo and gets the easy pinfall.

Winner: Braun Strowman

After the match, Strowman removes the lucha mask off Americo.


He didn't get any heel heat from disrespecting the lucha culture because we had no reason to care for the jobber he faces.

We know he can beat roster guys as we've seen how strongly he's been booked at times. So why start him from the bottom just because he's on his own?

When he eventually does get pushed for real by creative, it will end soon enough as they will get bored of him.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/January/2017 at 10:58
Braun Strowman is possibly the most improved guy of 2016, when he first appeared he was limited and very green but now while his offence may be basic it's effective and hard hitting. He's also come along with his promo work as while he may not be capable yet of a lengthy monologue he can still cut a short aggressive promo to good effect.

I still think it's too early to be talking a Wrestlemania World title match for him but he should still get a big win at the show and then maybe move in to title contention later in 2017 when all the part time special attraction stars have gone home.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 08/January/2017 at 11:16
I think the time is right for Strowman to have a solid Royal Rumble match effort, maybe a 15 minute stint, then see him getting eliminated by a group effort as they usually do for the big men, and then they should move him into a feud with whoever the US Champion will be by WM.

In an ideal world we'll see Reigns lose the title match to KO, then perhaps have him eliminate Strowman, only for Strowman to pull him out, this sets up that particular program for WM, it keeps RR away from the Main Event of WM, gives fans a chance to see him beaten and gives Strowman a solid start.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/January/2017 at 12:18
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

I think the time is right for Strowman to have a solid Royal Rumble match effort, maybe a 15 minute stint, then see him getting eliminated by a group effort as they usually do for the big men, and then they should move him into a feud with whoever the US Champion will be by WM.

In an ideal world we'll see Reigns lose the title match to KO, then perhaps have him eliminate Strowman, only for Strowman to pull him out, this sets up that particular program for WM, it keeps RR away from the Main Event of WM, gives fans a chance to see him beaten and gives Strowman a solid start.


Yeah give him the Diesel treatment, smash through some mid-carders and maybe a couple of upper tier guys and chalk up a good amount of eliminations before being eliminated by a top guy or a group of talents. Keeps him looking strong without having him win.

Sadly I think Roman will be winning the belt at the Royal Rumble, recent reports suggest WWE have a surprise scenario set for his Wrestlemania challenger though.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 08/January/2017 at 12:28
Oh please not another RR title run. Unless he ultimately drops to Finn Balor of course, as Finn is the rightful Universal Champion.

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Posted By: LennyComa
Date Posted: 08/January/2017 at 16:37
Finn enters number 30 and wins......hopefully lol

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 09/January/2017 at 11:06
Quote From Jim Ross Website

Watched Monday's RAW via DVR as I was at the Sugar Bowl (Big, OU Win!) when RAW aired live. Takeaways include the return of Bill Goldberg who made a noticeable impact and the continued build of Braun Strowman who is seemingly in route to becoming a major player in WWE. Hopefully Strowman's evolution with continue to conceal his inexperience especially his 'selling' skill set. WWE has done a good job in separating the big man from the pack and now we will see how he adds to the company's faith in him by getting better each day in some area of his profession.


He's been the breakout star in recent times and fans seem to have warmed to him, which down the line could make him a popular badass babyface top tier talent.

I worry though that he will be booked like foreign heels usually are (Rusev, Khali, Kozlov etc) by looking strong for ages only to eventually look shite in defeat to a big babyface guy like Reigns or Goldberg.

Being his own person not needing or wanting help from anyone else is working well.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 07/February/2017 at 18:46
He got a very good beatdown on Roman Reigns which is a plus for him. As I mentioned in the Raw thread, the big shame is he'll no doubt have to lay down for Reigns at Fastlane, which is really going to kill the momentum he's built up.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 08/February/2017 at 22:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDria1i9_FM

Four jobbers is the kind of match that's going to get someone face pops, because who doesn't like seeing one badass beating a group of people? Maybe that was the plan?

Foley is booked in a way that makes his brand look weak because giving Strowman jobbers all the time it's like he's protecting his roster from Braun and doesn't have faith in his roster to beat him.

His look isn't the usual main event look but he could be a very popular babyface in the title picture.

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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 07/April/2017 at 15:56
Im liking what they have been doing with Strowman, but it sucked that they decided to hide him away in the WM Battle royal and have him eliminated early on. Then all of a sudden, they bring him out to face Lesnar and its like they want us to forget what just happened at WM!


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 18/April/2017 at 10:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rakPvh2czzk

Braun still got more of a babyface pop than an heel reaction, but not as much as last week.

When you can get a legend like Kurt Angle booed for threatening to suspend you, you can call yourself over.

His mic skills are still bad though. The way he says his lines is like some cheesy mid 1990s and before heel.


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Posted By: LennyComa
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 07:01
When ever he is on the mic and the way he talks reminds me of Sid or some 1980's cartoon badguy. 

He is awful on the mic and I think he needs a mouthpiece. People usually say Hayman as a mouthpiece or Jimmy Hart but I think if WWE could secure James Mitchell as Braun's Manager it would be gold all the way.

In Ring he is getting better and his match against Big Show wasn't totally awful (When the ring collapsed I got mad though they need to stop doing that shit).




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Posted By: Benscast
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 07:33
Braun is alright on the mic. They keep his promo's short and to the point. He goesn't need a manager to speak at all. 


Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 14:39
Originally posted by Benscast Benscast wrote:

Braun is alright on the mic. They keep his promo's short and to the point. He goesn't need a manager to speak at all. 

But how he speaks is terrible. His Raw promo came over very scripted and basic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir26jWNMj94

Watching him taking out jobbers backstage doesn't do anything for him either.

He should stick to the guys who get the most airtime like he has with Zayn, Roman and Show.


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Posted By: Benscast
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 14:44
Of course it's very scripted and basic. He isn't supposed to come off intellectual. Him taking out people back stage is supposed to get back some of the luster he lost when Reigns went over on him lately. It is also logical to take people out since he was craving competition and he wasn't getting any until Big Show came out and took him up on it. Crazy big monsters aren't supposed act or sound normal at all. His promo night not captivate people but it put him over as the crowd ate it all up.


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 15:05
Don't mind adders Ben, he likes wrestling and runs a good site, but he doesn't really get it either. :p

Strowman is kicking ass and taking names on all fronts, regardless of booking. People were crapping all over him from the start but he has come into his own and he is still evolving all the time. In time he ought to be jobbing for Roman Reigns (not this feud the next one and every one after that for years to come) Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose much like this new generations Big Show.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 16:24
Originally posted by Benscast Benscast wrote:

Of course it's very scripted and basic. He isn't supposed to come off intellectual.
 
He talks like he's a big kid. That angle can only go so far before fans reject it as a main event persona.
 
Quote From Jim Ross Website
 
It was a stellar night for the on going talent development of Braun Strowman and his show ending presentation with The Big Show was memorable. I was impressed by how hard the two, super heavyweights worked and the live audience seemed to enjoy the imploding, ring stunt.

Strowman is being positioned so strongly that it could be challenging for some defiant, younger males to get behind Strowman as a villain. What's not to like about a big, bad man who kicks everyone's ass and who has showed little if any 'fear.' I think WWE is on the trail of building a significant star with their positioning of Strowman.

 
JR is correct. Braun is already struggling big time as an heel because he's not getting an heel reaction.
 
Some will say any reaction is good but if you want to be called a good heel you have to get an heel reaction.


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Posted By: Benscast
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 16:38
Admin, while I respect your opinion, I also want to point out his mic work isn't the big issue. If you take that sentiment of him sounding like a big dumb kid, consider where he was at before going solo. He was a wordless muscle for the Wyatts that oversold.

The biggest problem is creatives decision to keep having him get into stare downs and have him back away regardless of who it is.


Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 20:32
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Originally posted by Benscast Benscast wrote:

Of course it's very scripted and basic. He isn't supposed to come off intellectual.
 
He talks like he's a big kid. That angle can only go so far before fans reject it as a main event persona.

Bullshit. I got 3 words for you: Big Poppa Pump

WWE desperately needs someone to get on the mic, be intense and awesome and spout utter nonsensical crap.

Big Poppa Pump is an absolute legend on the mic because of shit like "I'm gonna do him an egg" and Steiner math.

Back when Ryback was still around, I kept advocating for that guy to stop pretending he was in any way shape or form of intelligent and just go off the deep end, scream his lines into the camera, and when he botched what he was going to say, stop, laugh at it, slap the side of his head like he was trying to get water out of his ears, and then correct himself and keep going. He would have been the biggest thing in the WWE today if he had just done that. People would have marked the fuck out every single time he botched his lines and would be hanging on his every word for the next one to happen.

A guy like Strowman doing something like that? OMFG he would be at a level of over somewhere between that of Daniel Bryan 2014, and Austin 1998. People want to laugh at stupid shit, and WWE takes themselves so seriously that they forget what guys like Kurt Angle 2002, R-Truth 2011, Sid Vicious & Scott Steiner (any year) brought to the table in terms of pure intensity and absurdly awesome humor.



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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 20:43
While the talking side of it has got more important over the years (look at how they were forced to drop the idea that Kane couldnt talk), the in ring skills or the character build up is still more important for me. And because of that, Im still liking the way Strowman is going at the moment, and I thought he and the Show put on a good one to end Raw.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 20:52
Agreed, and it's really quite surprising because that match flies in the face of all the smarks out there that think just because you're a big dude, you can't go and put on a good show. Main event or not, even without the ring-breaking spot, that match was the match of the night/week. I honestly can't even remember atm what the main event of Smackdown was... Was it AJ Styles vs... someone?

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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 21:07
Yes Rico it was AJ having a rematch from last week, against Baron Corbin. And Owens was there running his mouth on co-commentary.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 21:54
Originally posted by Benscast Benscast wrote:


The biggest problem is creatives decision to keep having him get into stare downs and have him back away regardless of who it is.

This is my biggest issue with Braun at the moment. He's without doubt made the biggest strides of the new guys in such a short space of time but having him backdown against guys who would throw around is a bit silly. I'll be mortified if they feed him to Reigns again.


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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 22:24
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

This is my biggest issue with Braun at the moment. He's without doubt made the biggest strides of the new guys in such a short space of time but having him backdown against guys who would throw around is a bit silly. I'll be mortified if they feed him to Reigns again.


Bazza, I thought Strowman did that teaser very well against Lesnar where he got in his face and made his point quickly and clearly, and then backed down. I didnt like the fact that he was forced to do this with Taker though, because they left it way too late before deciding that he was just going to be put in the joke Battle royal.

Also, does anybody remember Braun Strowman being one of Adam Rose's happy clappy cheerers originally ? That totally goes against his current image of course.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 22:42
He's being portrayed as an unstoppable monster, he shouldn't be backing down from anyone if that's his role, it was a bit of a lazy booking if you ask me.

As for his Rosebud thing, yeah I bet out of character that's what he's genuinely like as he was obviously having loads of fun doing that.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 22:57
Originally posted by ACIDO ACIDO wrote:

Also, does anybody remember Braun Strowman being one of Adam Rose's happy clappy cheerers originally ? That totally goes against his current image of course.

Oh I gotta see that! er... ahem

Video or it didn't happen.


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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 22:58
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

He's being portrayed as an unstoppable monster, he shouldn't be backing down from anyone if that's his role, it was a bit of a lazy booking if you ask me.
As for his Rosebud thing, yeah I bet out of character that's what he's genuinely like as he was obviously having loads of fun doing that.


Its just early days Baz for me, and maybe they arent sure whether he can get over as the star they want him to be. So I think just setting him up like this briefly.. and then having him back down is teasing and they are doing it well. Lets wait and see eh lol.

But when hes doing the 'I beat the crap out of Roman Reigns' speech and he starts smiling, that was strange. Big monsters in the ring etc arent meant to have a sense of humour are they ? lol


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 23:15
I love that about him. I listened to a podcast (either the Steve Austin Show, or Talk is Jericho) with him not that many months back, and Strowman showed he had TONS of personality and a great sense of humor. Also, there was some episode of Ride Along, on the WWE network (or maybe it was Total Divas???) where the girls were playing a game of who they'd marry, murder, or make out with, and every one of them picked Strowman to marry because "he's just so much fun".

He may not be the brightest guy in the world, but as long as he's fun to watch, and you can see that he's having fun, he's going to get over big. I knew after that it was just a matter of time that he got over. I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg from Strowman's personality, and if he can shape himself into a monster that has fun with his feats of strength, and shows a crazy intensity like he has thus far he's going to be legit main event in no time.

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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 23:39
How about a manager and a mouth piece eh Rico, to go along with Strowman's obvious future potential. Yes thats where the despicable loathsome Paul Heyman comes into it, and I really cant stand the bloke either. But I know he does his job well and maybe Strowman needs this soon.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 19/April/2017 at 23:49
I don't know. I think Strowman has a good enough sense of humor that if he were to just go nuts and laugh off his flubs on the mic, he'd be just fine, if not even better off than before.

Asuka is the one that really needs someone like Paul Heyman.

But that's just my opinion, WTF do I know??? lol


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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 20/April/2017 at 00:00
I dont know who Asuka or 'Asska' is (remember I said I dont know about the Nxt, but I have looked her up on the internet).
And along those lines, would Heyman be the right man to take Shins'ke Nakamura to the next level ?


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 20/April/2017 at 00:13
Ah, Asuka is the chick in my gif sig. She's giving the black chick the armbar. She's basically a stiff as fuck Japanese strong style wrestler, and widely regarded as the best active womens wrestler in the world, and second all time behind Manami Toyota (who has more 5 star matches under her belt than Bret and Shawn put together). She's got these brutal as fuck kicks to the head she does, and some badass transitions into legit submissions. IMO she looks like a star that would have gotten along very well in ECW. Thus Paul Heyman.

Also, she speaks Japanese and while she can speak English well enough to call a match in the ring with her partner she's not good enough at it to cut convincing promos. Moreover, it seems she is on a heel turn which is going to serve her well as she got famous as a Nazi-zombie. Now, obviously WWE isn't going to allow her to go full-beast mode with Nazi regalia, but the rest of it she should be able to get away with and as a heel, with her credentials, Paul Heyman IMO is the perfect representative for her.

Moreover, she's also been undefeated for a year and a half, and is the reigning, defending, undefeated, (and unconquered) NXT women's champion. She's got the only streak in the WWE worth mentioning these days, and has amassed well over 100 wins. All of this feeds into Paul Heyman's wheel house.



The problem with Nakamura being with Heyman is that he's a mega over babyface, and more of an HBK style wrestler and performer. That doesn't play into Heyman's strong suits. Asuka is essentially hot Japanese chick Brock Lesnar.




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Posted By: ACIDO
Date Posted: 20/April/2017 at 00:35
Wow Rico she looks like a frikkin zombie lol.
Ive watched some Japanese womens matches on the net and I can see that they really do go at it, hell for leather!! They dont mess about with cheap gimmicks do they.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 20/April/2017 at 07:35
Rico...here's Braun as a rosebud 





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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 19/July/2017 at 15:45
Quote From Jim Ross Website

Based on what I saw Monday night on Raw regarding Braun Strowman, I can easily see WWE going all the way with the giant athlete from North Carolina. A Lesnar-Strowman high level contest down the road is going to make a compelling main event and could elevate Strowman to the rarified air community. 
Seems to me, simply by watching as  fan, that when Braun walked away from the ambulance crash of a few weeks ago, that he walked away as a 'character 'face' or a least that's  how I took it. Bottom line, it will be challenging for many fans to truly dislike this huge man. WWE has done a really nice job building Strowman to his current level.

He's cheered far too much for an heel, but until he's put with someone else we won't know if he was cheered because fans like him or because they just hate him less than they do Roman.

Walking away unaided from the crushed ambulance was cartoon shit I can do without.

Still never see him as world champion on Raw though. Just the latest over pushed big man to look a decent title contender but never be taken a chance on.


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 19/July/2017 at 19:53
Braun is the best thing about Raw. They've built him up perfectly. It's probably too soon to put the big title on him but next year could be his year.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 11/October/2017 at 19:32
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Yah I hope to see them do their old entrance out of the stands through the crowd, wearing those shock trooper vests at the PPV. The shirts are lame. I mean, maybe not so much for a fan, but seeing them wear those shirts just seems dumb.

The shirts would have worked better being in their trademark black instead of making them more colourful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TP1zVBdosw

When they saved Matt Hardy that was cool. They are the hounds of justice afterall.

I'm happy that even though it was three babyfaces triple teaming a heel, the heel put up a good fight with Braun.

This quote came from the Shield thread, but it touched on something I wanted to discuss here.

IS Braun a heel? Really?

Pretty sure this guy is a tweener. I mean, he was definitely the babyface against Lesnar, and while he was booked heel against Reigns, he was over as the babyface, before that... geez I can't even remember.

It seems like we have a real true tweener for the first time in god only knows how long.

Or have I just not been paying attention, that totally could be the case too. haha

Tweeners are just so rare that when Adders brought him up as a heel it caught me off guard and I was like, "dude no, Braun's babyface" before I realized that no, he's definitely playing the heel ATM.

We have to all be able to agree that he was the babyface against Lesnar though right?


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 11/October/2017 at 19:55
im not sure if he was a babyface v lesnar - i think that feud was heel v heel because prior to that match Braun was destroying everyone with lots of post match beatdowns etc so im not sure he was babyface then either LOL

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 31/October/2017 at 19:39
Glad to see him return this week - im hoping he is one of the first names on the Team Raw team sheet - he should be allowed to single handedly destroy the whole of team smackdown

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 01/November/2017 at 15:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrUVxJLaC84&t=31s

Dreadful final segment. Three guys so easily taken out by a cartoon heel wasn't pretty.

How the limo couldn't leave and then you see the face of Braun and they have to sell being frightened, it was like the mid 90s heel shite.

He made the Miztourage look so rubbish that the group should now be disbanded.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 15/November/2017 at 21:07
He was absolutely dominant this week on Raw when he put Kane through the ring and then during the invasion angle on Smackdown.

Creative are doing a really good job of keeping him looking invincible even though he lost the two big title matches hes been involved in

I'm not sure how long he will remain focused on team SD during the elimination match because its obvious his run in with Kane is going to come to a head again 


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 22/November/2017 at 13:33
Quote Braun Strowman vs. Jason Jordan: Braun and Jordan have a stare-down in the middle and Jordan gives Braun a shot to the face. Braun rushes Jordan out to the floor. As Jordan runs back in the ring, he dodges a shot from Braun and Braun crashes into the corner hard. Jordan tries to double-leg takedown Braun and he manages to lift him up, but Braun is just too heavy and he drops him. Braun tosses Jordan across the ring and then sends him out to ringside again. Jordan is selling the bad leg hard. Kane then runs in from behind and attacks Braun. The ref calls for the bell.

Winner via DQ: Braun Strowman

- After the match, Kane beats down Braun with a steel chair all over ringside. Kane drives a chair into Braun's neck by slamming it into the steps. Braun gasps for air as refs tell Braun to let them help him. Braun refuses help and heads to the back.

Raw really helped his babyface turn, starting with his little bit of respect to Jason Jordan in his backstage interview.
 
Then he got concern from fans from the big beating he got.
 
He got to save his persona really well by managing to walk off and not wanting help.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 22/November/2017 at 19:19
For a guy that fans wanted very much to reject as soon as they saw him and heard of how much Vince McMahon liked him, he has done wonders to get over the way he has. That says a lot for him. I wonder what he'll be like 5 years from now? Will he be boring like Kane & Big Show got to be, or will he still be extremely over with the fans?

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 22/November/2017 at 19:24
I hope he can remain over strong for years to come because unlike so many other wrestlers of his size he can really go in the ring. He has speed, athleticism and of course incredible power. Also WWE did the smart thing with him booking him as a heel and allowing his popularity to grow organically.

I wouldn’t say he’s the best promo guy but he plays the growling monster well, bit like Dave Batista he doesn’t need to do long monalogues just keep it short and aggressive and his intensity speaks volumes without him saying a word.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 22/November/2017 at 19:26
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

For a guy that fans wanted very much to reject as soon as they saw him and heard of how much Vince McMahon liked him, he has done wonders to get over the way he has. That says a lot for him. I wonder what he'll be like 5 years from now? Will he be boring like Kane & Big Show got to be, or will he still be extremely over with the fans?

For him to have the longevity the likes of Kane and Big Show had, he needs to capitalise on all of this momentum and destruction hes causing by winning a title

If all he does is destroy people in the build up to a PPV match and then falls at the final hurdle in the big ones, people will start to become bored and begin to reject the gimmick

I reiterate what i posted a while back - he needs a Mark Henry Hall of Pain style title run where he not only beats people but he puts them out of action for a while.

WWE have had lots of big men over the years and only the Undertaker has gone the distance without becoming "boring" and that was mainly down to his mania undefeated streak.

Braun doesnt yet have anything to keep fans interested in the long term - although he is fairly new.

I'm hoping he adopts more of a SCSA type attitude as opposed to going full blown face - because they ruined Mark Henry, Kane and Big Show by doing that to them


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 27/November/2017 at 11:06
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Braun doesnt yet have anything to keep fans interested in the long term - although he is fairly new.
 
I agree. He puts his hands up and roars like a cartooney villian. The kinda guy you see when holiday camps like Butlins put on wrestling shows for those on the campsite. He needs more to him.
 
Quote In a recent interview with http://pwi-online.com/" rel="nofollow - , https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/tag/braun-strowman" rel="nofollow - Braun Strowman discussed several topics including how much of a rookie he was during his WWE debut several years ago. Here is what he had to say:

“When I debuted, that was the eighth time I had ever been in front of people. And, like you said, the people criticized me when I first debuted. But what did they expect? It was the eighth time I’d ever wrestled. It was a ‘let’s see what’s going to happen’ thing.

It’s all trial and error. That’s the thing I said about learning in this business. Every time you go out, it’s an opportunity to learn something new. Every time I go out and work I try to figure something else out to make my game better. If my work now compared to where I was doesn’t attest to my work ethic, I don’t know what does.”

Now he's seemingly a babyface, fans should put up with his limitations more, as his character is quite funny and definitely entertaining.
 
Just wish he'd get medical help more often because whoever he's in contact with shouldn't always be made to look so weak.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 27/November/2017 at 19:26
I think the current gimmick and run can still hold peoples attention for a while but they will need to add something to his game or give him a title run to capitalise on it

Would be great for him to capture his first title at Wrestlemania or do something notable like being the one to completely end HHH in ring career


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 11:28
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Would be great for him to capture his first title at Wrestlemania or do something notable like being the one to completely end HHH in ring career

I don't see him as a long term top guy. Think best he can hope for at Wrestlemania would be to win the ATGMBR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVJLID7awYM

I thought him coming out to beat up Elias for no apparent reason was lazy filler booking.

He didn't have a purpose to be at Raw. He was booked like it was late afternoon and creative thought shit we've forgot to book Braun, what shall we do with him.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 18:24
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Would be great for him to capture his first title at Wrestlemania or do something notable like being the one to completely end HHH in ring career

I don't see him as a long term top guy. Think best he can hope for at Wrestlemania would be to win the ATGMBR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVJLID7awYM

I thought him coming out to beat up Elias for no apparent reason was lazy filler booking.

He didn't have a purpose to be at Raw. He was booked like it was late afternoon and creative thought shit we've forgot to book Braun, what shall we do with him.

Completely disagree with everything you have posted above

He will absolutely be a top guy for years to come - theres no one in the whole of WWE that comes close to the combination of skills and physique that Braun has.

Him coming out to beat up Elias was done to allow Kane to appear on the titantron and build up their inevitable final match where Braun will probably end Kanes career

Hes one of the most over superstars there is right now and him just coming out livened the crowd - who i must say were also pretty pro Elias.



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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 18:41
got to agree. you look at how he's changed since he came in, his body now compared to then, that even now, he's still kept to very short promos, how through his own perseverance and that he has constantly been booked correctly, firstly as a heel, and now as a quasi-face, he is what Reigns wishes he could be.

he doesn't seem too full of himself like Ryback did, so WWE might finally have a big guy who they can count for the next decade.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 06/December/2017 at 22:33
I think I mentioned this before, but when my wife and I were watching Total Divas, and the girls were playing a game of Fuck, Marry, Kill all of the girls picked marry for Strowman. That was when I realized he was probably going to be a big deal, that was while he was still playing the Black Sheep. Every one of them was raving about how funny, and what a nice guy he was. Ultimately this guy is in all likelihood going to be the next Big Show / Andre the Giant.

The question is what kind of booking he gets. Andre was treated like a living legend from day one with the WWF. Big Show ended up being mostly just filler, and a jobber to the stars. Regardless, behind the scenes both Wight and Andre are/were massively well respected and basically will have a job for life. Strowman seems to be well on his way to that same kind of standing within the WWE. 

If that truly ends up being the case, whatever else happens with Braun long term won't matter much. He'll be a multi-time champion and a first ballot hall of famer. 

Then again he could 'develop a bad attitude' and be gone by the end of the year. It's all up to him there, because obvious Vince is really high on the guy.

Short term? I like NFaM's speculation. I hope that's how they go too.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 07:08
I agree, but the very fact that he's not only been so well liked by other performers for that long, but also that he actually didn't just rest on his laurels with the body he had as the Black Sheep, and actually made himself look the monster his character has become says to me he knows better than to develop the kind of ego that has let previous talents down from such promising starts.

that is very refreshing to see, and gives me hope that, as both a future heel and face champion down the line, we're going to get a decent performer. literally the only thing that is a wait and see thing is how he and WWE can evolve the character once things start to go a bit stale, which is where they had the problems with Big Show, something that was never an issue with Andre as he was a legend for so long before the WrestleMania era came into being.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 15:34
Yah, that was another thing that impressed me was how humble he really sounded while he was being interviewed by (I forget) either Chris Jericho for Talk is Jericho or Steve Austin for the Steven Austin Show. Strowman was very soft-spoken, humble, and polite, and basically the exact opposite of his on-screen persona. 

I think that is a big reason people think he's so funny backstage is because he treats his big scary Monster among Men character like a joke when he's out of character. I think it was Paige, that mentioned how he was just chatting with her one time, and then winked at her and 'hulked up' into the Braun Strowman character and she busted up laughing because it was a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde kind of transformation which was apparently pretty funny.

All of this is to say that the guy has facets to his personality that have yet to be portrayed on television, and not only are they vastly different from what we've seen but also apparently just as entertaining. That bodes quite well for him.

Also, damnit Monkee, I was going to take Strowman this round, thieving bastard. ;)


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 16:16
It’s good that he has these hidden depths to his personality as that offers much scope for his character to evolve, that being said I hope they don’t go the Ryback route and start making him really emotional talking about some soppy book he took inspiration from and so forth, they need to keep to the aggressive intense monster but there is room for some growth there and I do agree with Admin that sometimes Strowman comes across a bit too cartoonish as the snarling bellowing big bearded man, hopefully his face turn can rectify that.

With the way Strowman has been booked and progressed he should be the one facing Lesnar at Wrestlemania.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 16:56
Quote I hope they don’t go the Ryback route and start making him really emotional talking about some soppy book he took inspiration from and so forth

Oh crap, can you imagine??? That would be so bad... ... ... or would it? If he's really as funny as people say he is he might be able to pull off a parody of Ryback that would actually get him over while making Ryback look even worse. I'm not saying I want to see them go that route, but who knows? He might make a good show if it afterall.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 17:47
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

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It could work but I think I would stick with the intense monster. The Big Show went the comedic route and I think it harmed his character, was difficult to ever take him seriously after that, rather than a unstoppable monster he had more of a clumsy oversized clown kind of aura about him.

Strowman could maybe show a bit of depth to his personality by maybe having a couple of more light hearted segments backstage but I would keep him all business in the ring.

I enjoyed his stuff this week once again looking dominant. He’s on course for a win over Kane and perhaps a strong showing in the Royal Rumble.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 17:55
When would his feud with Kane come to fruition? Probably not at the Royal Rumble right? Does Raw have the next PPV? I thought it was smackdown. If it IS smackdown then Kane vs Strowman at the Royal Rumble makes the most sense as far as timing is concerned, but I don't know... I suppose they could cap off the feud and then have Strowman win the Rumble or something right? Otherwise it seems like it'd be something that could go clear until WrestleMania, if it's not finished at the Royal Rumble.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 18:02
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

When would his feud with Kane come to fruition? Probably not at the Royal Rumble right? Does Raw have the next PPV? I thought it was smackdown. If it IS smackdown then Kane vs Strowman at the Royal Rumble makes the most sense as far as timing is concerned, but I don't know... I suppose they could cap off the feud and then have Strowman win the Rumble or something right? Otherwise it seems like it'd be something that could go clear until WrestleMania, if it's not finished at the Royal Rumble.


Smackdown have the next PPV which is Clash of Champions, so the next opportunity will be the Royal Rumble which I believe is when they plan to have Kane and Strowman square off.

In a way it’s a shame they couldn’t save it for Wrestlemania, I’m pretty sure Kane will be retiring soon, he’s over fifty and is getting into politics, this is surely his last good run. Would have been a fitting farewell for him to put Braun over strong at Wrestlemania.
But I think they have bigger things planned for Strowman at Mania so the Rumble will have to do.

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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 19:38
That's almost exactly what I was thinking too. I just wonder if it might drag on a bit. Kane should be used at Mania, shouldn't he? And if it's not Strowman, then who? That's the only thing that really gives me pause.

Maybe they WON'T have a match at the Royal Rumble, and instead meet each other IN the rumble and have a throwout competition? Kane needs to extend his lead as the biggest monster the Rumble has ever seen. Make Kane's legacy in the Royal Rumble seem like something akin to Undertaker's WrestleMania streak. It's already so huge, that if he had one more big year it'd be ages before someone would ever catch him. If Strowman can put on an equally impressive display at the rumble then that could extend the feud further?

Kane seems a bit of step down in some way for Strowman, but if they're intent on not giving him Lesnar's title, then maybe this really is the best he can do, if only for the moment.


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 08/December/2017 at 20:52
That’s the problem Kane is a step down for Strowman, that said it’s still a Wrestlemania moment for him blasting Kane with a powerslam and getting the win claiming his throne as the monster of WWE.

But with Strowman on the current tear he’s on I think they have bigger plans for him, plus as mentioned it would be very hard to drag the feud out that long, as well as the Royal Rumble there is the Raw event the Elmination Chamber prior to Mania.

Maybe winning the Andre the Giant Battle Royal would be a fitting end to Kane’s career.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 09/December/2017 at 11:43
i'd wonder if at the Rumble, a match with Kane might have the same type of ending as the Cena Kane match did.

fucking hell, Raw doesn't have a PPV of it's own now until March!

i'm not sure you could keep having them take each other out until then, so I guess it would have to end at the Rumble, and then i'd wonder if either or both would be pulling double duties that night.

as entertaining as Strowman is, i'm not sure I could put up with Cole excitedly shouting that Strowman has returned after an attack by Kane only seven days previous. sure, hype that he's back, hype the angle, but don't make out like Strowman has been gone the best part of the year recovering, Michael.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 09/December/2017 at 14:04
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:


i'm not sure you could keep having them take each other out until then, so I guess it would have to end at the Rumble, and then i'd wonder if either or both would be pulling double duties that night.



Thats exactly what will happen

Its pretty common for people to do double duty on Rumble night and its plain to see that this cant run on that much longer

They have had Kane destroyed at the end of a few episodes and if he keeps just showing up the next week it will start to ruin Brauns momentum

The PPV set up hasnt really helped this as i think the plan ideally would have been to have this end sooner rather than later


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 09/December/2017 at 14:08
I do find it weird that Smackdown effectively has three months of PPVs in a row.

I mean, to have a gap from October until March between your exclusive events seems weird considering there was never a gap that wide when PPVs were costing US viewers $60 a pop with sometimes as little as three weeks between each brand event.


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 13/December/2017 at 14:16
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Its pretty common for people to do double duty on Rumble night and its plain to see that this cant run on that much longer

I agree. I would only have Braun wrestle once that night and it's looking like being in a title match, so keep him out of the 30 man match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvHVOI1NAEs

To keep him popular don't overexpose him. When you see him once a night his pop is always much bigger.

If he shows up again later in the show the crowd are more quiet with their "him again" mentality.


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