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Topic: Beth Phoenix On Raw
Posted By: admin
Subject: Beth Phoenix On Raw
Date Posted: 11/June/2011 at 18:15
http://vids.wwe.com/12234/raw-beth-phoenix-kelly-kelly-vs - http://vids.wwe.com/12234/raw-beth-phoenix-kelly-kelly-vs
 
Picking up the win this past monday looks the start of yet another push, even though she's not done anything of note now for a couple of years.
 
It's noticeable how much weight she's lost. Now what made her difference isn't there as much anymore.
 
Her being more muscular than the normal divas was her thing. Hope she's asked in an interview as to why she's gone down this route.


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 02/August/2011 at 06:11
I expect people will start in with the notion that Beth Phoenix is only getting a push because Punk has been badgering management. But that completely ignores that plenty of people thought Phoenix should have taken over Kharma's spot as monster in the Divas division a couple months back. Kelly Kelly isn't that good in the ring so sticking her with a decent wrestler should result in at least a watchable match at Summerslam.  Unlike having a match with Eve which would have most likely ended up in Botchamania.


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Posted By: MaNonTheMoon
Date Posted: 02/August/2011 at 06:15
Vince may have Punk's ear, but it has only been for a short time. Beth (Whenever she has wrestled over the last 2 and a half - 3 months) has been on a roll. The heel turn I admit kinda caught me of guard, but it is welcomed since the divas need a good heel other than the twins.

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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 03/August/2011 at 15:17

http://vids.wwe.com/12764/raw-no-1-contenders-diva-battle" rel="nofollow - http://vids.wwe.com/12764/raw-no-1-contenders-diva-battle

The timing of her latest push after doing little for months would have have fans less cynical if it hadn't happened to coincide with her boyfriend getting his new contract to stick around.

Whilst she doesn't really interest me (for reasons i've gone into before) she is one of the better wrestlers so should be used better.

I'd be really shocked if she doesn't become the champion at Summerslam, if not not long after.



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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 23/April/2012 at 13:45
Quote Beth Phoenix will tie former WWE Diva Maryse as longest reigning Divas Champion if she manages to hold on to the title until May 1st. Maryse currently holds the record for 213 days.
 
hopefully beth brags about this and then kharma comes out and we get a decent feud going between these 2. This will be the best thing to happen to the divas division in a long time


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 23/April/2012 at 13:49
They should hold off a Beth/Kharma feud for Summerslam, and add to that they wouldn't need to feud over the title given their talent.

This record will probably get broken by a Bella twin winning the title tonight!


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 23/April/2012 at 17:42

Yeah, I won't be surprised if Beth now loses the title in some completely random match with zero build.  Eve's been getting more TV anyways.  I think that WWE is just trying to sort out how to get butterfly over to Eve.



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Posted By: EdgeHead
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 06:29
So either Nikki Bella will be a transitional champion or she and sister Brie are sticking with WWE after all.


Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 07:46
There we go, I said it would happen :)

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 08:48
so i wonder if this was meant to happen all along or whether it happened because beth got injured ...
 
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WWE medical personnel confirmed to WWE.com that Beth Phoenix suffered a severe sprain to her left ankle in her http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_Posts_Injury_Update_On_Beth_Phoenix_Following_Raw.html#" rel="nofollow - http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/WWE_Posts_Injury_Update_On_Beth_Phoenix_Following_Raw.html#" rel="nofollow -


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Posted By: HBKDX97
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 09:31
Fuck that. "Severe sprain"? She doesn't need an MRI for that shit. I twist my ankles ALL THE TIME. Walk it off, pussy (ironic, amirite?).

By the way, fuck the WWE for pulling that, too. Giving her a chance to grab a record, and then take it away to give THE BELLAS a meaningless push? Like, retarded.

And then they'll probably fire Kharma for getting preggers during the middle of her push.

God damn. Moolah is turning in her grave.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 09:39
Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

Fuck that. "Severe sprain"? She doesn't need an MRI for that shit. I twist my ankles ALL THE TIME. Walk it off, pussy (ironic, amirite?).

By the way, fuck the WWE for pulling that, too. Giving her a chance to grab a record, and then take it away to give THE BELLAS a meaningless push? Like, retarded.

And then they'll probably fire Kharma for getting preggers during the middle of her push.

God damn. Moolah is turning in her grave.
 
they did the exact same with Cody and Show .... they must not have faith in the current roster to allow them to be record breakers.
 
Kharma needs to return quickly - squash the bellas - win th ebelt and then feud with beth when she recovers.
 
For beth to go on about how she has dominated the division and then lose by roll up to a bella twin ... pfft whats the point


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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 11:06
Kharma did have a segment with bella twins and i think this will happen when she comes back next week or at the ppv.
 
Remember this time last year Kharma made her debut at extreme rules so it's only natural to bring her back there or atleast on raw.
 
The injury angle is a way to hold these 2 women back from each other for the time being. why waste a match like that on just any ppv why not summerslam but that probably wouldn't work seeing that it's many months away.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 14:51
Quote While Beth Phoenix appeared to be legitimately injured on last night's RAW Supershow, the plan for her to drop the Divas Title to Nikki Bella goes back a few weeks.

The idea was to get the Divas Title off of Beth Phoenix so Kharma can get the belt without facing Phoenix first. The plan as of a few days ago was for Nikki to win the title, likely at Extreme Rules, and then get destroyed by Kharma the next night on RAW. Obviously plans were moved up and the http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Backstage_News_on_the_WWE_Divas_Title_Storyline_and_Kharma_s_Return_to_Action.html#" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: John The Baptist
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 17:14
The Bellas are a better choice, Beth is the diva equivalent of a vanilla midget.

The Bellas are hot, slutty, and were rocking some major camel toe last night, and thats what counts in this division.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 24/April/2012 at 18:01
Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

The Bellas are a better choice, Beth is the diva equivalent of a vanilla midget.

The Bellas are hot, slutty, and were rocking some major camel toe last night, and thats what counts in this division.

i haven't actually seen raw from last night but camel toe = #Winning

good job i have sky plus too to inspect the situation properly .... unfortunately they will have to wait until after barca destroy chelsea


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Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 22/May/2012 at 15:10
http://www.wwe.com/videos/kelly-kelly-vs-beth-phoenix-raw-may-21-2012-26024429

Another pointless Phoenix squash match where she shows nothing at all that we've not seen before.

At least if they had Layla come out it would have made it slightly more entertaining.

Beth for me could end up being a 'shock' release within the next year or so.



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Posted By: mikej690
Date Posted: 22/May/2012 at 18:10
They really seem to love protecting Kelly Kelly for some reason seeing as she had alot of offense in that match. She's not a good wrestler, she's not that great on the mic, and everytime she tries to act tough she's screaming like she's getting raped or something.


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Posted By: thundarr2000
Date Posted: 22/May/2012 at 21:04
That's funny, because the only thing that Kelly2 does in the ring that I like is her rape scream.  Big smile
 
Beth does a good job of looking like she's battering Kelly while keeping Kelly safe.  It's painfully clear that Beth had to carry their matches.  But Kelly is the pretty girl that mags like Maxim love to use.  So WWE keeps her around for the publicity she brings them.
 
 


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 22/May/2012 at 21:14
Agree, and no doubt Beth is just going through the motions until Kharma returns or they make Nattie into something half decent again.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 07/June/2012 at 09:15
Quote  
-- As previously reported, WWE Hall of Famer Edge and Beth Phoenix attended a recent NHL  http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Edge_Beth_Phoenix_Dating_Good_Feedback_On_WWE_s_New_Live_Event_Set.html#" rel="nofollow -  game on 5/30. The two are indeed dating. 

Beth Phoenix had previously dated CM Punk, who is currently romantically linked with Lita, who infamously cheated on Matt Hardy with Edge. 

Jeremy Kyle would love this shit


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Posted By: Steven Nyte
Date Posted: 07/June/2012 at 10:15
Punk dated Lita before he got together with Beth, as of now he has stated that he is single after splitting with Beth. Still, Punk is one lucky... punk.

So far, his professional wrestling record includes Daffney, Traci Brooks, Maria Kanellis, Lita and Beth Phoenix. Way to go, dude!

Oh and the best of luck to Edge and Beth o´ course.


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Posted By: Willy1225
Date Posted: 14/August/2012 at 03:45
Someone needs to teach Beth how to counter the "School-Girl pin of doom" since she loses to that move every single fucking week outside of the token effort once a year to book Beth like a threat.
 
Divas matches are laughable but the booking of Beth is just sad


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Posted By: HBKDX97
Date Posted: 14/August/2012 at 03:55
I know why CM Punk dumped her then. Besides the fact that she's actually a man.

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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 14/August/2012 at 07:00
Originally posted by Willy1225 Willy1225 wrote:

Someone needs to teach Beth how to counter the "School-Girl pin of doom" since she loses to that move every single fucking week outside of the token effort once a year to book Beth like a threat.
 
Divas matches are laughable but the booking of Beth is just sad


It has been forever. She'll have a reign of doom for a couple of months then be booked pathetically for the rest of the year. Stupid writers Big smile


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 14/August/2012 at 15:28
i honestly FF'd the entire match.  When Beth is in a tag match, but comes out to an inferior workers music, you know that she's gonna take the pin, and it's not going to be good.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 22/August/2012 at 16:29
gonna post this in the Kelly Kelly on Raw thread too: http://www.tupwrestlingforum.com/kelly-kelly-On-raw_topic17272_page4.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tupwrestlingforum.com/kelly-kelly-On-raw_topic17272_page4.html
 
http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/8/21/3259393/beth-phoenix-pulled-from-upcoming-wwe-australia-tour" rel="nofollow - http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/8/21/3259393/beth-phoenix-pulled-from-upcoming-wwe-australia-tour
 
now, again, i've said elsewhere i FF'd through this Diva's BR, but i did notice both KK and Phoenix on the graphic for the match.
 
according to PWInsider, neither KK or Phoenix were even at the Raw show, so it's even more bizarre both were advertised for the match as the show was going.
 
even weirder is that Phoenix is now off the tour of Australia next week, despite being advertised for it up till last week.
 
so, not even at Raw, no word on an injury, and no word on any disciplinary action.  very strange.


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Posted By: Willy1225
Date Posted: 22/August/2012 at 23:47
Beth is dealing with a death in the family, said so on twitter.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 01:32
hmm, seems weird that no dirtsheet would have picked up on that then.
 
also seems weird that WWE would have not altered the graphic for the match in show...


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Posted By: Baz
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 07:10
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

hmm, seems weird that no dirtsheet would have picked up on that then.
 
also seems weird that WWE would have not altered the graphic for the match in show...


Could quite easily be down to the fact she wanted to do the match but come the time she couldn't go through with it? Grief is dealt with in so many different ways, and I have to say not even the WWE would go as far as to making up a death of a family member to get her out of action.


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Posted By: HBKDX97
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 13:37
I saw an online dirt sheet that had up that news a couple of days ago. Idk what was up with Barbie Skank, though.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 14:24
Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

hmm, seems weird that no dirtsheet would have picked up on that then.
 
also seems weird that WWE would have not altered the graphic for the match in show...


Could quite easily be down to the fact she wanted to do the match but come the time she couldn't go through with it? Grief is dealt with in so many different ways, and I have to say not even the WWE would go as far as to making up a death of a family member to get her out of action.
 
oh, don't get me wrong, i'm not saying WWE have made anything up, just that am surprised they didn't replace the graphic, especially since she wasn't at the venue.
 
does this show that even the dirtsheets don't pay attention to what they write?


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Posted By: HBKDX97
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 14:26
Or conversely that WWE doesn't pay attention to the Divas graphics.

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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 23/August/2012 at 14:33
Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

Or conversely that WWE doesn't pay attention to the Divas graphics.
 
hmm, Simpson, eh?
 
yes sir. he's one of the slobs in sector 7G graphics.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 12/March/2019 at 18:14
*BUMP

so, it would appear that Mrs Copeland is to have a small return, I would guess ending with her and Nattie facing off against Nia and Tamina and Bailey and Banks with potentially a SDL team at Mania.

it certainly felt weird for Nattie to come out and cut a promo referencing Ronda, but not having anything to do with her at all. I mean, not even a backstage skit where she tries to talk to her.

will be interesting to see what the actual plan is going forward, since thus far, I don't really feel there's any real plans for what to do with the female Tag titles.

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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 13/March/2019 at 13:13
Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

*BUMP

so, it would appear that Mrs Copeland is to have a small return, I would guess ending with her and Nattie facing off against Nia and Tamina and Bailey and Banks with potentially a SDL team at Mania.

it certainly felt weird for Nattie to come out and cut a promo referencing Ronda, but not having anything to do with her at all. I mean, not even a backstage skit where she tries to talk to her.

will be interesting to see what the actual plan is going forward, since thus far, I don't really feel there's any real plans for what to do with the female Tag titles.
 

I actually like that idea. Maybe a four way tag title match of Beth/Nattie vs Banks/Bayley vs Jax/Tamina vs Peyton/Kay, I did hear that WWE were lining up Trish/Lita to work with Banks/Bayley at Wrestlemania but maybe that's now off the table.


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Posted By: Rico Len
Date Posted: 13/March/2019 at 13:32
I would prefer the Divas of Doom to Trish and Lita anyway. The Divas of Doom have talent.

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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 13/March/2019 at 19:10
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I would prefer the Divas of Doom to Trish and Lita anyway. The Divas of Doom have talent.


oooo burn

Lita was pretty talented in the ring

Trish relied on her looks but i was OK with that because at the time they were relevant, pretty much everyone in that division relied on their looks


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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 13/March/2019 at 19:34
Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I would prefer the Divas of Doom to Trish and Lita anyway. The Divas of Doom have talent.


oooo burn

Lita was pretty talented in the ring

Trish relied on her looks but i was OK with that because at the time they were relevant, pretty much everyone in that division relied on their looks
 

It's fair comment really, Trish was all about her looks and got over thanks to her sex appeal and charisma, Lita was just a spot monkey. But then both were part of a era where ring work just wasn't that important if you were female in WWE. They will always be remembered as the two Women that made the Women's Title relevant. Beth Phoenix is a far better choice in terms of ring work and I would really like to see her mix it up with many of the current roster.


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 13/March/2019 at 19:43
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I would prefer the Divas of Doom to Trish and Lita anyway. The Divas of Doom have talent.


oooo burn

Lita was pretty talented in the ring

Trish relied on her looks but i was OK with that because at the time they were relevant, pretty much everyone in that division relied on their looks
 

It's fair comment really, Trish was all about her looks and got over thanks to her sex appeal and charisma, Lita was just a spot monkey. But then both were part of a era where ring work just wasn't that important if you were female in WWE. They will always be remembered as the two Women that made the Women's Title relevant. Beth Phoenix is a far better choice in terms of ring work and I would really like to see her mix it up with many of the current roster.

I agree Beth was better in the ring but honestly for me, WWE need to concentrate on building more stars in the Womens division if they really want to cement this revolution.

Sure they can claim they have been involved in the first female HIAC match, theres the tag titles etc etc but in years to come i cant see anything other than people looking back and going yeah they had some decent workers like Lynch and Flair - which is how we currently look back on the previous womens division - we basically remember 1 or 2 names and nothing else spectacular.

The mens division has got a lot of stick over the years for relying on stars of the past instead of building stars for the future and i really think the womens division should be building their stars for the future.


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Posted By: ihatethatmonkee
Date Posted: 24/March/2019 at 21:38
I mean, honestly, i'd rather if Ronda was going to have a programme between Rumble and Mania, it had been with Beth, and Nattie being the bridge in the story to bring that together.

Nattie could have gotten beaten down by Ronda after already reintroducing Beth as part of her pre-show work, and it would work better since Nattie is still full time, didn't all that long ago take a title shot, and Beth is, hopefully, not looking to return inring full time, as I think she'd have an even tougher time now getting a top spot on the card.

two matches at EC and Fast Lane, and then transition into a tag title match with Nattie at Mania would have been good enough, and wouldn't have felt as thrown away as Riott's attempts, but would still have been as obvious in their outcomes.

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Posted By: Kondor
Date Posted: 03/March/2020 at 06:06
WWE made a good move to use Beth as a way to enhance the Edge vs Randy feud. Beth's appearance adds a level of reality; and this is probably better than having Edge himself appear even with a neck brace. I thought Beth did a good job with her facial expressions while listening to Randy's bullshit and the RKO was done well; obviously Beth can take a move from a male wrestler no problem. 

Maybe it's just cause Raw was in Brooklyn; but with the edgier product the crowd is getting more attitude era like (which I love.) Some were actually cheering Randy for the RKO. It reminds me of the crowd going crazy after Stone Cold Steve Austin's first ever Stunner on Vince at Madison Square Garden in 1997. 


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Posted By: #Heel
Date Posted: 03/March/2020 at 19:29
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

WWE made a good move to use Beth as a way to enhance the Edge vs Randy feud. Beth's appearance adds a level of reality; and this is probably better than having Edge himself appear even with a neck brace. I thought Beth did a good job with her facial expressions while listening to Randy's bullshit and the RKO was done well; obviously Beth can take a move from a male wrestler no problem. 

Maybe it's just cause Raw was in Brooklyn; but with the edgier product the crowd is getting more attitude era like (which I love.) Some were actually cheering Randy for the RKO. It reminds me of the crowd going crazy after Stone Cold Steve Austin's first ever Stunner on Vince at Madison Square Garden in 1997. 

100% agree with this

Love this angle at the minute


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