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It's annoying when singers write a political song. For example take the new Pink song called Dear Mr President. Here are the lyrics..........
 
Dear Mr. President,
Come take a walk with me.
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me.
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly.

What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street?
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep?
What do you feel when you look in the mirror?
Are you proud?

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why?

Dear Mr. President,
Were you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
Are you a lonely boy?
How can you say
No child is left behind?
We're not dumb and we're not blind.
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell.

What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away?
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay?
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine.

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry?
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Can you even look me in the eye?

Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing 'bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh

How do you sleep at night?
How do you walk with your head held high?
Dear Mr. President,
You'd never take a walk with me.
Would you?

Now if being the most powerful man in the world is such an easy job as she makes out, why doesn't she go up in the elections? You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. If George Bush doesn't like gays so what? It's freedom of speech and his opinion. Pink says........
 
Let me tell you 'bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way

Now I agree that is hard, but if she thinks that's harder than the stuff George Bush has to do she is misguided. It just goes to show that people in higher power are easier to shoot down.
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At the risk of being an asshole, I'll say I'm sick of celebarties telling people how to live, vote, and think.

Seriously when you look at the way so many of them live their lives, are they really in a position to tell you how to live yours? I for one have never gotten a DWI, never been brought up on domestic abuse, drug, or weapons charges, and never had to be checked into rehad. That doesn't make me a great person, but it shows I'm doing a better job taking care of myself then most of these celebarties.

Its just so hypacritical. They'll tell everyone else to worry about the envornment and car pool to work, when they travel around in private jets and stretch hummers that get less then 2 miles a gallon?

As for President Bush, I don't agree with a lot of the things he does, but I respect the office even if I don't respect the guy in it.

As for the gay thing, its a free country. Homosexuals have a right to be protected from mistreatment. That doesn't, however, mean that society has to accept it as normal or natural. Society certainly isn't required to recognize gay marraige.
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They're expressing their feelings through song, and if it makes them some money at the same time, well that's two birds with one stone isn't it?

With the whole gay thing, wasn't that Dick Cheney or something? The whole thing about his daughter was gay and that caused a rift between them. I think that was Cheney, but I might be wrong.

I think it was great of the US to go to Iraq to take Saddam out, but staying for at least another five years is bullshit. And TSD, no offence, but you're full of shit. Saddam killed a shitload of people, but over about 30 years. In 4, several hundred thousand civilians, suicide bombers, and soldiers have died. If troops were in there for 30 years, what would happen? I don't agree with what Saddam did, and I think he is one sick fuck, but he was only attacking Curds. I might sound racist here but tough shit. War doesn't discriminate.Curds are still just as fucked, but so are Sunnis and Shiites. So really, now the whole of Iraq is fucked. It used to only be the North.

And TSD, you talk about how you don't like musicians cos you think they're hypocritical. George Bush is threatening military force on Iran for enriching uranium. Tell me, does the US not do the same thing? That is hypocracy.

If George Bush wasn't president, he'd be in a fucking loony bin. He said GOD told him to go to Iraq. Isn't one of the ten commandments "thou shalt not kill" surely god, in his all-knowingness, would know George would fuck it up so badly?

As for John Howard, if he George Bush and Tony Blair were in prison, he and Tony would be George's bitches, cos George has homies on the outside that would bust a cap in Tony and John's asses.

If "it's a free country", surely then gays have the right to get married? Tell me why fudgepackers and carpetmunchers can't get married? In New Zealand, we're an "equal oppourtunities" country. We know gays want marriage, so we compromise. Give them a civil union. That way gays have the rights of a married couple, but all the religious pricks have they're way cos gays can't get married. Same thing with prostitution. The prudes don't want whores on the street, but hookers need money too, so we make it legal, but we still have limits.

And saying society doesn't have to accept it as normal or natural, that's like saying black people aren't normal or natural. There are more straight people than gays, therefore it's "wierd". There are more white people in America than black people, but black people aren't "wierd".

One day, I'm going to found a straight pride parade, with strippers, and marriage, and lots and lots of sex and rugby. And I'll fund a straight bar, no gays allowed. OOOH and I'll make a college fund in America, but only underprivileged white kids can have it, no black kids or Asians. Wouldn't this make me racist and homophobic? In society's eyes, yes. But gays get their pride and bars, and blacks get their college fund. Interesting...
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Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

They're expressing their feelings through song, and if it makes them some money at the same time, well that's two birds with one stone isn't it?

They're expressing their feeling though song, and I'm expressing my feeling through posting here. My feeling are that a bunch of celebarties that can't seem to handle their own lives shouldn't tell us how to live ours. (Just my opinion)

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:


With the whole gay thing, wasn't that Dick Cheney or something? The whole thing about his daughter was gay and that caused a rift between them. I think that was Cheney, but I might be wrong.

I know Dick Chaney's daughter is gay, but I'm not sure what their relationship is like. One of the things I really respect about my boss, is his relationship with his daughter. He once told me "She's a lesbain. I don't agree with that life style, but she's my daughter and I'll always love her no matter what."

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

I think it was great of the US to go to Iraq to take Saddam out, but staying for at least another five years is bullshit. And TSD, no offence, but you're full of shit. Saddam killed a shitload of people, but over about 30 years. In 4, several hundred thousand civilians, suicide bombers, and soldiers have died. If troops were in there for 30 years, what would happen? I don't agree with what Saddam did, and I think he is one sick fuck, but he was only attacking Curds. I might sound racist here but tough shit. War doesn't discriminate.Curds are still just as fucked, but so are Sunnis and Shiites. So really, now the whole of Iraq is fucked. It used to only be the North.

We killed 20,000 enemy combatants, 4,000 civilians have dies. (Most in the bombing raids at the begining and many by militants, not US troops) The ever rising number of US troops killed is nearly 4,000.

We might disagree on numbers (you can double check at CNN.com or Centcom.mil), but we both agree on one thing. Taking Saddam out was good, but staying in Iraq after that was stupid. You asked what would happen if we stay in Iraq for 30 years? I'd rather not find out.

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

And TSD, you talk about how you don't like musicians cos you think they're hypocritical. George Bush is threatening military force on Iran for enriching uranium. Tell me, does the US not do the same thing? That is hypocracy.

I never said I agreed with George Bush on that. Personally I think Iran is more interested getting the UN cut a favorable deal with them then they really are with developing a nuclear program for energy or weapons.

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

If George Bush wasn't president, he'd be in a fucking loony bin. He said GOD told him to go to Iraq. Isn't one of the ten commandments "thou shalt not kill" surely god, in his all-knowingness, would know George would fuck it up so badly?

I believe in a wall of seperation between church and state, for good reason.

As for the biblical commandment: "Thou shall not kill", means you shouldn't commit murder. There are several places in the Bible where people go into war and God aids them. In Ecclesiastes 3:8, it says that there is a time for war.

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:


If "it's a free country", surely then gays have the right to get married? Tell me why fudgepackers and carpetmunchers can't get married? In New Zealand, we're an "equal oppourtunities" country. We know gays want marriage, so we compromise. Give them a civil union. That way gays have the rights of a married couple, but all the religious pricks have they're way cos gays can't get married. Same thing with prostitution. The prudes don't want whores on the street, but hookers need money too, so we make it legal, but we still have limits.

Gays and Lesbains are allowed to hold a wedding ceremony, exchange vowel, etc. Some state governments recognize gay marriages, but the Federal goverment doesn't. Personally I don't care, but I can see why some people are strongly for it and others strongly againist it. A civil union seems like a fair compromise to me.

I think city and local governments should make up their own minds about prostitution. If the majority of people in a town or city are in favor of it, then it can be legal there. If the majority are against it, then the guys that can't get laid any other way will just have a longer drive.

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

And saying society doesn't have to accept it as normal or natural, that's like saying black people aren't normal or natural. There are more straight people than gays, therefore it's "wierd". There are more white people in America than black people, but black people aren't "wierd".

Under the same logic, you're using derogatory terms "fudgepackers and carpetmunchers" is just like using racial slurs. I get the feeling you don't know anyone that's gay personally.

Sexual orientation is an acquired trait. Its something that can be changed through counceling. Its also linked to a number of emotional disorders.
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In Houston there's an area called Montross, where a lots of gay people live. Its also where the art museaum and several theaters are located. Since I've always enjoyed going to plays and visiting the art museaum, I was in the area a lot and made friends with a few gays and lesbains. You'd be supprised how many of them were seriously abused as children. You'd also be supprised how conflicted some of them were about their lifestyle.

Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

One day, I'm going to found a straight pride parade, with strippers, and marriage, and lots and lots of sex and rugby. And I'll fund a straight bar, no gays allowed. OOOH and I'll make a college fund in America, but only underprivileged white kids can have it, no black kids or Asians. Wouldn't this make me racist and homophobic? In society's eyes, yes. But gays get their pride and bars, and blacks get their college fund. Interesting...

Most gay bars allow straight people in. Most straightmen just don't go because they're not comfortable there. Even if it was only for gays, its a privatelly owned establishment and they wouldn't know you're straight if you didn't tell them.
I don't think most gay people would care if you had a straight pride parade. I was joking with a friend about having a hetero float in the middle of the gay pride parade and he thought it was funny.
The United Negro College Fund is supported by donations, not taxes. If someone wants to use their own money to help one spefic ethnic group, that's completely up to them.

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I don't believe gays or lesbians should be allowed to get married. Does that make me homophobic? No because I get along well with gays, it just makes me old fashioned with my views. Like if Adam was gay or Eve was a lesbian none of us would be here. As for the war on Iraq, well my cousin who left the army really high up and has been allover the world fighting said the worst people in the world are the Serbs. Said they are the scum of the earth and much worse than Northern Ireland, Iraq, Afganhastan amongst other places he visited in them days. Quality bit of writing from you as well Raven Clap
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Damn straight it was :P

And TSD, I was being a dick with the "fudgepackers" and "carpetmunchers" thing. It is like a racial slur, yet it is more socially acceptable, if more immature, than the N word etc.

If Adam was gay and Eve was gay they could've adopted or used a surrogate :P
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I know its not a popular view, but I look at homosexuality as an emotional disorder that is often a symptom of deeper problems. I don't hate gay people, the same way I wouldn't hate people suffering from depression, anorexia, anxiety, drug/alcohol dependancy, or any other disorder. I don't pretend its normal, natural, or healthy, because I really don't think it is.

As for the ones who are happy and unconflicted about their lifestyle, good for them. So long as they're not hurting anyone, it their life and their choice. For the ones who are unhappy and want to change, I think its important that they know there is help availible.
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I have problems. I'm not gay.
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If you have problems of an emotional nature I'd encourage you to seek help for yourself. If you want, you can talk to me about your problems, but it would probably be better for you to find someone you know on a personal level, not just online.

When I was young I had an anger problem, but I dealt with the issues causing it. Now I'm pretty laid back.
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Gay people don't neccessarily have problems though. I could say it's a symptom not a cause, but of all the gay people I know (7, off the top of my head) 1 has emotional issues, and that was caused by the fact he knew he was gay anyway. I have a higher ratio than that of straight people I know that have issues.

And Admin, if Adam or Eve were real, they would've been chomped up by dinosaurs a LONG time before Eve could've had a baby.
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