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    Posted: 04/August/2006 at 17:20
Due to the success already of the religion thread. I thought i would do one for something that concerns us all. Politics is a sticky subject and no matter what someone does they cannot please everyone. Which is why i would say do you support having troops in places like Iraq and Afghanistan ? Personally i do because if you don't then the terrorists will think they can get away with anything. You join the army for the short career retiring on a good penstion because you want to be involved in helping with conflict. You know when you join it's not going to be a teddy bears picnic. Not like it is national service which would be completely different. I am not making excuses for the deaths of soldiers i support them all fully in the war against evil. My cousin was high up in the army and left to settle down. He's seen it all in Northern Ireland, Iraq etc and not once complained about the danger.
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i agree what you said about having troops in those places.. i just don't agree is countries who have nothing to do with that also send their troops there just cause they think they can make profits out of that.... (that's the case of my little country...)


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Well in this country the pensions aren't worth shit unless you make a carrer out of your service. We also try and get illegal aliens to join (mexicans that cross the border and get caught specifaclly Texas). I respect evry man and woman that sacrifices their lives for us I just don't agree that the US had any business going into Iraq. This is a very twisted time for politics in America at the moment where it has become clear that if you disagree with the current administration you are a communist. Support the troops but fuck the wars.
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Blair went away on holiday shortly before what happened last friday. But didn't come back to sort it. However from his holiday he did sort a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah. It's good that both sides are sticking to it and that no fighting has happened there for the past few days. The Lebanon prime minister is bragging about winning the war against Israel. Not a good idea because saying shit could add fuel to the flames and start it up again. The United Nations will be watching him closely anyway, for saying he wants Israel wiped off the map. And you think Blair is a bad prime minister.....

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Ooh I wanna join in! Smile

I'm gonna put this bluntly:
 
  • Americans: Still locked in the same zone of isolationism that saw them dragging their feet into BOTH World Wars. I know this is a harsh generalisation, but given what I've learned, it's the only opinion I've formed. Most Americans don't like their troops in Iraq for ON reason - they don't want AMERICANS being killed their. Fair enough. No one wants their military being slaughtered overseas based on lies and decepton from the government. But what many Americans (and indeed many around the world) fail to see is this: We're in there now. Whether you agree with why the troops are in there or not, if one has genuine support for them, then wouldn't you support them doing their jobs that they've been sent to do? Wouldn't you want them to finish what has been started, instead of pulling out of a country that has been plunged into chaos? What about the millions of Iraqi lives that have been saved by the invasion, which resulted in the capture, conviction, and execution of one of the most sadistic human beings to ever walk the planet? Americans hav generally been saying that they don't want anymore AMERICAN troops being killed. But what about those Iraqi victims of Saddam Hussein? What about those innocent victim who have suffered by the actions of their own people who became terrorists? Why not support the troops for the sake of the help they're giving to those there who NEED it (even if they don't want it) Why must most Americans believe that it's all about them and not see that those men and women over there VOLUNTEERED to go into the military (they weren't drafted) and so they know what their obligations are. Why can't America come out of its isolationism and see about doing something right just for the sake of helping another country, even if it means sacrifice on America's part?
  • Australia - John Howard is President Bush's lapdog. Hell, they should get married with how close they are... even though they're against that kind of thing (inolerant assholes who preach their values and abuse their power by passing off those values for law). John Howard's push to send more troops is something I DO NOT support. Am I being hypocritical? Not at all. The fact is, Australia has a small military and thus smaller capacity for defece. Smaller budget, smaller population, smaller economy. Therefore, we cannot afford to keep sending an already stretched-to-the-max line of military half way around the world instead of increasing security here.
  • All this bullshit between Palestine and Israel? NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! If the Jews and Arabs over there wanna kill each other and blow each other to bits, that's their thing. They've been doing it for thousands of years and have no reason or desire to stop now, so this whole America and Britain policing-the-middle east crap is nonsense. Fact is, most of the terrorists that threaten us come from other countries  not these two (is Palestine even a country??). Therefore, there's no reason to even be involved with that shit.

The bottom line? The governments of Australia, Britain, and the good ol' US of A are gonna do what they fucking like, even if no logical reason exists to do so. So what, overall, do I say about this? No matter what, us ordinary citizens can't do a damn thing about it, since our governments are tripping out on this power-mad 'I-know-whats-best-for-people' bullshit.

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Israel in fairness has never shown any signs of wanting to kill anyone. They have been repeatedly attacked for no logical reason and they have defended themselves.

They used proportionate force to do this, so have clearly done nothing wrong.

As for withdrawing troops from Iraq, that's a tough one. There is no simple answer. Take them out and the country will probably be plunged into chaos. Leave them, and a huge amount of soldiers will be lost. And this is no guarantee that we can get rid of the terrorists there, ever.

Either choice condemns one group of people to death. Which is the lesser of two evils? No one should have to decide that.
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*Iraq-It wasn't necessary, but it was justified. The big tragedy is that we've over stayed our objectives. 1-Take Saddam out of power, 2-Make sure they don't have WMDs. Both of these things have been accomplished, we should go home.

*Isreal/Palestine-Its a sticky situation because Palestine and Isreal both have a legitimate claim to the land. Hopefully someday Isreal and Palestine can reach a compromise and have a lasting peace. What's really sad is to see Palestinian and Isreali children being taught to hate each other from an early age.
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We killed more people in a shorter time than Suddam did just to get him. Yet the same thing happens in part os Asia and  African yet we do nothing. WHy? Not enough valuable resources to exploit. I could go on for a long time about this, but can not be fucked.
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Originally posted by Hulkamania4eva Hulkamania4eva wrote:

We killed more people in a shorter time than Suddam did just to get him.


Did it hurt when you pulled that statement out of your ass?
Saddam a modest estimate would credit Saddam with killing roughly 400,000. Most likely more, but with the many mass graves being uncovered daily in Iraq its hard to gauge. Notable attacks include:
Halabja Gas: attack 5,000 dead. (Target civilians with chemical weapon in the Iran-Iraq War)
Al-Anfal Campaign: 100,000 dead. (Genociade against the Kurdish population)
1991 Post Gulf War massacres: 100,000 Kurds and 130,000 Shite killed.

Roughly 9,000 Iraq soldiers died in the intial advance.
Since then 9,960 insurgents have been killed. (I should mention they were enemy combatants, not innocent people/civilains like most of the people Saddam killed)

At least 400,000 killed by Saddam
20,000 killed by US forces.
Approximatelly 4,000 civilians killed. *Many of them were killed by insurgents, not Allied forces.

Anyway you look at it, the world is a better place without Saddam in it. I just don't think we should leave troops in there after we've already achieved our objectives. Saddam was our problem, we helped put him in power. What to do with Iraq, now that Saddam's dead, is a problem for the Kurds, Shia, and Sunnie.



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Originally posted by Hulkamania4eva Hulkamania4eva wrote:

We killed more people in a shorter time than Suddam did just to get him. Yet the same thing happens in part os Asia and  African yet we do nothing. WHy? Not enough valuable resources to exploit. I could go on for a long time about this, but can not be fucked.

I think it was sufficiently discussed to death over in WE...
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