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Speaking of Paul Heyman, Paul had a magnificent night on RAW delivering a home run on the Lesnar beating Taker promo. Heyman is the best talker in the business and continues to do amazing  work and has to be considered as one of the greatest managers of all time on a short list that includes Bobby Heenan and Jim Cornette. Before all is said and done, Paul may be the best, pure manager to ever fulfill that role in the history of the business.


Since being brought back after E hating him for years, the only downside he's had was managing two hacks like Ryback and Axel.

He's been part of the biggest title run in years, helped breaked the steak and now been given one of the most over up and comers in the company.

I do like when he tells everyone his name. I've always liked that in a manager. Estrada was the best at it though.
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Anyone else getting bored of Heyman constantly blabbering about Lesnar breaking the streak?

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Not exactly. Everytime he does it I can see he is just tryi g to piss people off. It is about the only way he can get heat these days.

This is going to make me sound an awful lot like Kondor, but fans at the shows really ought learn to play along, and boo the heels they love instead of cheering for them. It ruins kayfabe imo. And yeah, that is not the fans responsibility, but they are still hurting the show by cheering for the bad guy, all the time.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:


This is going to make me sound an awful lot like Kondor, but fans at the shows really ought learn to play along, and boo the heels they love instead of cheering for them. It ruins kayfabe imo. And yeah, that is not the fans responsibility, but they are still hurting the show by cheering for the bad guy, all the time.



I agree, it was fun when the ECW crowds, notorious smark towns like Philly/Chicago and post-Wrestlemania crowd did it but now every fan is trying to get themselves noticed and disrupt the show and it's really annoying.

As for Heyman, what else is to be expected. It was one of the iconic moments in wrestling history, up there with Andre getting slammed or Austin 3;16, it would be crazy to blank it out.

The fact it bores some already makes me laugh, because most posters were calling for a younger guy to beat Taker and use it as a scalp, it would be exactly the same as Heyman is doing now, repetitive.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

This is going to make me sound an awful lot like Kondor, but fans at the shows really ought learn to play along, and boo the heels they love instead of cheering for them. It ruins kayfabe imo. And yeah, that is not the fans responsibility, but they are still hurting the show by cheering for the bad guy, all the time.

I come into this thread to talk about Paul Heyman on Raw in his role in Brock's feud with Roman Reigns, and I see this four year old post and still disagree with you even when you think you are agreeing with me, lol. Whom fans should cheer for or boo should be whoever they want to as fans. I'll even give a WCW example. Once Ric Flair earned my respect and love as a wrestler, I cheered for him regardless of who he was fighting and regardless of whether he was currently supposed to be a good guy or a bad guy, face or a heel. Ditto with Bret Hart in the WWF. Once I loved him, I didn't care if he was supposed to be a bad guy in the whole Hart Foundation vs DeGeneration X feud, or Canada vs U.S. if you will.  

I have to say that fans cheering for bad guys doesn't "break kayfabe" at all for the simple reason that in order to prevent themselves from sheering for people whom the WWE wants them to boo they have to know that the WWE doesn't want certain wrestlers to be cheered and that breaks kayfabe within itself. True kayfabe within the fans is simply innocently liking who they like and not liking who they don't while (in the true sense of the word) ignorantly oblivious to whom the wrestling federation wants them to boo or cheer. To think about "the WWE wants me to boo this guy" breaks that innocence and thus breaks kayfabe within itself. 

Also, there are the times where fans cheering for a bad guy makes the wrestling federation turn a heel good. The perfect go to example for this is how the fans cheered Razor Ramon in early 1993 when he was supposed to be a heel. There are other examples, such as Stone Cold Steve Austin in mid to late 1996. The heel intakes that fan appreciation, and either accepts it or rejects it but incorporates it into his personality, and it all becomes part of the show. 

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In any case what I actually came into this thread to say, I do love how Paul Heyman's promos have contributed to the rivalry and the tension between Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns. As I mentioned in the Raw thread, I just watched the one where Paul said that the championship is Brock Lesnar's bitch and it is in so many words dear to him. Paul mocked Roman's father and uncle Sika and Afa. People (in this thread) have criticized Heyman for being repetitive but he is finding new ways to irk people's nerves. Overall Heyman's role in this reminds me of Bobby Heenan's role in building up Andre The Giant against Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania III. I am not saying Heyman is in Heenan's plateau; but there is a comparison to be made I would say. In both cases the loudmouth manager added to the fire, but of course in Heenan's case he created the fire. 

I am still slightly hanging into to my wildcard prediction concerning a Heyman switch. If I'm wrong it won't be the first time.     


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So rumours still persist that Brock Lesnar is done with WWE after Wrestlemania so this will leave Heyman at a loose end and more rumours are circling about who Heyman may take on as his new charge.

One rumour is that Heyman will swerve on Brock and align with Roman Reigns, I don’t see this as I think WWE are hell bent on steaming ahead with Roman as the heroic WWE flag bearing top face of the company and Heyman doesn’t fit into that scenario, plus even in the unlikely event WWE do flip Reigns heel Roman is a very capable promo man now and doesn’t really need a advocate or a guy to help him draw heat as he can do that on his own.

My choices for Heyman would be any of the following:

Neville - if WWE and Neville can ever get back on the same page I think a Heyman alliance would be a smart tactic to get a heel Neville up to the next level. Neville is ok on the mic but not great so Heyman could help compensate for this while Neville does the business in the ring.

Cesaro - He’s already had a short lived alliance with Heyman which I liked and don’t know why it was cut short. Cesaro is another guy who isn’t strong on the mic but he can get it done in the ring. Let Heyman do the talking and just emphasise how gifted Cesaro is in the ring.

Bobby Lashley - He’s rumoured to be returning and he would be the natural replacement for Brock due to the similarities and Lashley also has a history of a loose association with Heyman. I would like to see this and again verbals are not Lashley’s strong suit so he would benefit from Heyman working his corner.

Lars Sullivan - NXT guy who is pretty unproven on the mic so far but a association with Heyman could help establish him instantly as a monster heel when he finally hits the main roster.

Finn Balor - This has been teased in the past, Finn isn’t awful on the mic but he’s not great, a heel turn and an alliance with Heyman could be very cool and would present a whole list of fresh and interesting scenarios.
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Heyman has a very busy schedule ahead of him outside of the WWE following wrestlemania, so I think it's even more of a sure thing that Heyman will be gone than even Brock Lesnar. In fact, Heyman being pretty much a sure bet to be gone, is the biggest reason I think Lesnar will be gone as well. Otherwise I would just say his "return" to the UFC is just a bargaining chip to get more money from Vince.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Heyman has a very busy schedule ahead of him outside of the WWE following wrestlemania, so I think it's even more of a sure thing that Heyman will be gone than even Brock Lesnar. In fact, Heyman being pretty much a sure bet to be gone, is the biggest reason I think Lesnar will be gone as well. Otherwise I would just say his "return" to the UFC is just a bargaining chip to get more money from Vince.


That's exactly what it is, it's Lesnar leveraging for more money.

Heyman may have a busy schedule, but that doesn't really mean it's a sign that they're leaving. The more likely result would be that if Lesnar retains, they'll just disappear from TV up until the lead up to Summerslam.


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Originally posted by xXDemon_DuckXx xXDemon_DuckXx wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Heyman has a very busy schedule ahead of him outside of the WWE following wrestlemania, so I think it's even more of a sure thing that Heyman will be gone than even Brock Lesnar. In fact, Heyman being pretty much a sure bet to be gone, is the biggest reason I think Lesnar will be gone as well. Otherwise I would just say his "return" to the UFC is just a bargaining chip to get more money from Vince.


That's exactly what it is, it's Lesnar leveraging for more money.

Heyman may have a busy schedule, but that doesn't really mean it's a sign that they're leaving. The more likely result would be that if Lesnar retains, they'll just disappear from TV up until the lead up to Summerslam.

I'm in agreement with both of your points, and as you mentioned in another thread Brock has done this before. 

And exactly, everyone is like "Well, Heyman has this and that going on." But he appears on a part time basis anyway. He's just been appearing more often recently for the buildup for WrestleMania.  

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I said it a while back, Brock will return to UFC.

Hes always talking to Dana White and UFC need someone as marketable as Lesnar now that Mcgregor is part time (so it seems), Jones is being done for drugs yet again, Rousey has left - they are only really left with Cyborg and Khabib who are on that sort of level of interest to the wider audience.
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