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I think Kevin Owens is supposed to be this generations Bam Bam Bigelow.
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Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

WWE totally had the opportunity to have the "big agile man" in Mike Awesome (when they purchased WCW), but for some reason, they never saw anything in the big man.  It's a shame, Mike Awesome was amazing.


Yeah I don’t know what went wrong with Mike Awesome, he had all the tools to be a big star in WWE, backstage/personal problems perhaps?

I loved athletic super-heavyweights like Bam Bam and Vader. I would say Kevin Owens is in that mold but he’s not really a super-heavyweight, he’s just a largish guy who lacks the traditional ripped physique. Down in NXT there is Killian Dain who fits the bill.
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Yeah, I agree about Killian Dane. What that guy did during WarGames was eye opening. I had no idea who he was before he debuted in NXT, but damn if he didn't have a great showcase at WarGames.
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Million Dollar Man for sure, but I'd throw in a twist. Instead of the rich heel, I would do a rich babyface who would kayfabe buy TV time for lower card guys and also would pay heels to not interfere in matches.
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Sounds like a tweak to Shane McMahon to me. ;)
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I actually liked Del Rio as the Mexican Million Dollar Man, it all went wrong for him after they dropped the gimmick and just made him into a generic Mexican heel.

JBL was also not too far removed from the Million Dollar Man gimmick.

Killian Dain has the makings of a top super-heavyweight star, he never speaks which makes me think promos are not his strength but then that’s why it’s smart to keep him as part of the Sanity group, it seems he’s the solo guy while Young and Wolfe are the team.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I actually liked Del Rio as the Mexican Million Dollar Man, it all went wrong for him after they dropped the gimmick and just made him into a generic Mexican heel.

JBL was also not too far removed from the Million Dollar Man gimmick.
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I agree on the Del Rio Million Dollar sort of gimmick.

WWE seem to love ruining foreign characters by making them as stereotypical as you could possibly imagine.

Any Mexican Luchador is automatically a mega babyface and any other foreign wrestler is a heel who is only ever content when disrespecting America

Yes i suppose its an easy formula to guarantee heat but they need to try and mix things up a bit
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/January/2018 at 17:19
Excellent topic idea, Fletch. Thumbs Up I have a lot to respond to here and then I have a few gimmick return ideas of my own that I would love to see. 

Of course, the thing to remember here is that, as has come up in the conversation, the key is how well the individual talent can perform and pull off the gimmick. This thread already has mentioned examples of gimmicks not working to their fullest due to the way it was ran with, such as in my opinion Ryback more or less emulating what Goldberg did. I was thinking earlier about Brian Pillman, regardless of what his gimmick is, his inner personality and the way his mind worked made whatever he was doing magical. The execution is just as important as the gimmick itself. That being said...   

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Big Poppa Pump Scott Steiner - For me this was the perfect gimmick for Ryback and still would be if he ever returned, have him work heel and brag how he’s a genetic freak, have him do the push ups in the ring and adopt similar mannerisms. 

I just want to add that Scott Steiner's look and gimmick (and he would probably admit it) was heavily molded after Superstar Billy Graham's gimmick of being a bleach blonde "genetic freak" with headgear and lots of arrogance to match their muscles.  

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I think heel Bobby Roode is a more flamboyant version of the cerebral assassin, kind of like if you morphed Ric Flair and Triple H into one person. Roode’s ring style is very Triple H too.
 

Actually when I first saw Roode's "Glorious Bobby Roode" gimmick, the first thing I thought of was Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff. Maybe it's the robe, but also the overall demeanor.  

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

One I didn’t mention was Ravishing Rick Rude, classic heel character that someone should definitely try and replicate. Can’t think of anyone off hand who would be a good fit for it though. Val Venis was another I really liked but think he was perhaps a bit too attitude era for now.

I agree with the comparisons of Rude to Venis. Both played the role of hip swiveling ladies man. 


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Asuka is more or less already working Goldberg's gimmick. She just works matches better, that's all. I noticed that when Asuka got in the ring with Alexa Bliss, the fans were chanting "Asuka's gonna kill you" so I really can't think of many people better suited to the gimmick, nor stands a better chance of pulling it off.

This is very interesting that you bring this comparison up and see Asuka that way. I myself would never have this comparison come in my head with the obvious differences in in ring skill between Asuka and Goldberg. I see Asuka as an ass kicker, but with her level of danger coming in the form of her amazing speed and knowledge of submissions. In that respect I would see her as more similar to Kurt Angle than anyone I can think of. But I can see how you would arrive at a comparison to Goldberg. This goes to show how everyone sees things different. But yes I can see the connection. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think Fandango's dancer gimmick still has a chance at getting over if they were to allow a little more creative input from Johnny Curtis. The pop culture dancer gimmick has worked twice before, and once so spectacularly well grown men now dress up as the wrestlers gimmick for Halloween.

First you had Ricki Starr, who dressed as a prima ballerina back in the 1950's and 60's and he was a mainstay babyface in those days despite his overwhelmingly gay overtones. 

Then came The Macho Man who dressed as a disco dancer and it helped Randy Savage make it into stardom in the 70's and early 80's before he really made it big and morphed into the "Macho Man" people remember him for today.

Then came the ill-fated Disco Inferno, who, instead of being an evolution of the gimmick was a rippoff sibling gimmick of the Macho Man.

Since then, no one has really used the dancer gimmick to any affect. Fandango got over momentarily by starting those little dance moves, but then Fandango drifted off into obscurity before becoming a part of the Fashion Police/Breezango. 

If he were to go back to being a singles competitor, re-focusing on being the dancer and taking things in a different direction might just help him get to the next level. Curtis is a very funny man, and I still feel like they're just scraping the surface of what he has to offer in that department.

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Another guy who evolved from Ricki Starr was Goldust, this time focusing on the homo-erotic side of the gimmick, then the gimmick recently evolved again with Patrick Clark from the last season of Tough Enough playing the role of the Velveteen Dream. Yet again, that gimmick is getting over.

I absolutely love the journey through history with Ricki Starr as the rather effeminate ballet dancer. Starr was a top gimmick and top draw of the 50's. The first guy I thought of when I saw Fandango was The Honky Tonk Man, as they both have musical based characters that generate heat when they dance. But I can see the link to Ricki Starr. Of course the obvious forerunners to Goldust are guys like Gorgeous George and Adorable Adrian Adonis, all effeminate sometimes cross dressing characters complete with make up, sometimes flowers, and women's underwear who drew attention with all these antics yet were tough in the ring once the bell rang. 

On a side note Stardust was by far my favorite gimmick for Cody. And I love this trek through history that we're taking. 

As for some old gimmicks that I would love to see resurface in today's WWE... 

I was watching one of the WWE documentaries on On Demand where Shawn Michaels mentioned that many of the gimmicks wrestlers used that epitomized a foreign country would never fly today with how culture has changed (more or less increased political correctness.) Shawn specifically mentioned the ceremonial salt that Mr. Fuji used to use. Rene Young chimed in that today's society has become a lot more sensitive. I know that in this thread #Heel mentioned his dislike for such gimmicks, citing how the gimmick stereotyped the country. I know that a lot of people feel this way. 

But I for one, being an old school fan, would love for some of those gimmicks to return. In fact I almost started a thread about it myself, as I feel such gimmicks are missing from today's wrestling. Probably the closest such gimmick today is Jinder Mahal. We know that the WWE is looking to Mahal to champion India and her people (and of course simultaneously cash in on the Indian market.) What is the difference between championing the ideals of a nation and "stereotyping" that nation? Perhaps it's in the way it's carried out, as said the execution. But then again with me being an old school fan who is sick of political correctness, I don't see "stereotyping" a nation as a bad thing anyway, especially if the wrestler is a bad guy. Wrestling is not supposed to be pretty, and if the heel pissed off or offended the audience, the heel did his job.  

Here are some specific examples of gimmicks I would love to see return in some way, representing a foreign nation or not... 

Kamala that Ugandan Headhunter - I would love to see a wrestler portray a clueless savage garbed in native hunting attire complete with a spear and a shield and whom can barely speak English. A gimmick like that is missing from today. It doesn't matter what country he's from, but somewhere in Africa would do fine. 

Chief Jay Strongbow - Now for the record I have never cared for Strongbow in the ring (he sucked;) but I think we need a good Native American gimmick complete with feathers on his head and doing a war dance. Tatanka was the most recent thing to that. 

Muhammad Hassan - I know what you're thinking; but it doesn't have to be that bad. There have been essays, including on this board, about how his character could have generated an insane amount of heat had he stayed around. The sad thing is that everything the character Hassan said was right. His character was introduced in 2004. At the time, only three years removed from September 11, many people were stereotyping followers of Islam, eyeing them different in a prejudice manner, and treating them different (what today would be called Islamaphobia.) I actually think had Hassan stuck around he could have been a face after a few years once society grew that political correctness. Also, a lot of Hassan's heat in the locker room was due to the fact many felt he hadn't paid his dues (yes, I know this could be a whole thread within itself.)     

Now some less stereotypical ones... 

Ultimate Warrior - I loved the Warrior and I have not seen anyone with quite the same character as him, not just in terms of intensity but speaking in broad spectrum terms encapsulating the entire universe while relating what he was saying to his current opponent. Based on what past people have stated, I apparently appear to be the only TUPeep who completely understands his promos.  

Bad News Brown - The dude was just awesome and massively underrated. I see his gimmick as being a no nonsense ass kicking street fighter. This is NOT the same thing as an MMA fighter.

Maven - What I mean by this is an inspirational underdog. By the way I can see a lot of Virgil in Maven. 

King Kong Bundy - The way I see it one of the saddest things in today's wrestling is how few big men there are in terms of knowing how to use one's heavy weight to squash people while looking fierce and intimidating your opponent while doing so. Big Show is the closest but he doesn't quite do it the same as Bundy did. I didn't mention Andre as there is and never will be anyone like him and all comparisons to him, while inevitable, are unfair. 

Demolition/Powers of Pain - I would love a good tag team (or individual) with spikes on their outfits, face paint, and lots of muscle who can just pound the shit out of their opponents.   


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Some great choices there Kon. I was a huge fan of Muhammad Hassan, that guy had it, he had the look, charisma and he was so smooth and natural in that gimmick, he generated nuclear heat. Was such a shame WWE had to take it a step too far and the network banned the character. I guess it could be argued Jinder is a Indian version of this gimmick but he’s a very watered down version. I would love to see somebody go full throttle with the Arab-American gimmick again.

Demolition/Powers of Pain is a good shout, they tried with the Ascension but the execution was poor and it failed.

In another thread it was discussed briefly about Apollo Crews being rebooted as a Goldberg type. I think that could work. Have Apollo adopt a much more serious and intense approach, maybe grow a beard to help disguise the fresh faced smiley persona, then destroy his opponents with his power and athleticism.

Not sure if The Ultimate Warrior could be replicated, he was very much one of a kind. But I would love to see someone try.

The King Kong Bundy monster heel has been tried several times, some with success Yokozuna was that type of wrestler who used his massive weight to inflict pain, Yoko of course was also the stereotypical foreigner heel. But then you also had the likes of Viscera who only had moderate success.

Yeah Steiner definitely took influence from Billy Graham and I still think Ryback could pull this gimmick off very well. The only real difference is Ryback doesn’t have Steiners level of in ring talent or amateur background.

A couple more of my old favourites I’d love to see brought back to life would be Razor Ramon, excellent character portrayed by a ultra talented guy in Scott Hall, would be a tough act to follow. Carlito Caribbean Cool I think was loosely based on it.

Haku/Umaga the Samoan savage character is another one I liked. Easy one to duplicate too and plenty of candidates with the list of guys with Samoan ancestry out there.

Jake the Snake Roberts was another I loved but not sure a talent could get away with throwing a huge Snake around in the ring like Jake used to, think that might be frowned upon these days.

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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Asuka is more or less already working Goldberg's gimmick. She just works matches better, that's all. I noticed that when Asuka got in the ring with Alexa Bliss, the fans were chanting "Asuka's gonna kill you" so I really can't think of many people better suited to the gimmick, nor stands a better chance of pulling it off.

This is very interesting that you bring this comparison up and see Asuka that way. I myself would never have this comparison come in my head with the obvious differences in in ring skill between Asuka and Goldberg. I see Asuka as an ass kicker, but with her level of danger coming in the form of her amazing speed and knowledge of submissions. In that respect I would see her as more similar to Kurt Angle than anyone I can think of. But I can see how you would arrive at a comparison to Goldberg. This goes to show how everyone sees things different. But yes I can see the connection.

As soon as someone starts talking about someone's undefeated streak I make the connection to Goldberg, then when they mentioned that Asuka was going to/had surpassed Goldberg's streak by the number of matches it was reinforced even further. 

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think Fandango's dancer gimmick still has a chance at getting over if they were to allow a little more creative input from Johnny Curtis. The pop culture dancer gimmick has worked twice before, and once so spectacularly well grown men now dress up as the wrestlers gimmick for Halloween.

First you had Ricki Starr, who dressed as a prima ballerina back in the 1950's and 60's and he was a mainstay babyface in those days despite his overwhelmingly gay overtones. 

Then came The Macho Man who dressed as a disco dancer and it helped Randy Savage make it into stardom in the 70's and early 80's before he really made it big and morphed into the "Macho Man" people remember him for today.

Then came the ill-fated Disco Inferno, who, instead of being an evolution of the gimmick was a rippoff sibling gimmick of the Macho Man.

Since then, no one has really used the dancer gimmick to any affect. Fandango got over momentarily by starting those little dance moves, but then Fandango drifted off into obscurity before becoming a part of the Fashion Police/Breezango. 

If he were to go back to being a singles competitor, re-focusing on being the dancer and taking things in a different direction might just help him get to the next level. Curtis is a very funny man, and I still feel like they're just scraping the surface of what he has to offer in that department.

~~~~~~~~~

Another guy who evolved from Ricki Starr was Goldust, this time focusing on the homo-erotic side of the gimmick, then the gimmick recently evolved again with Patrick Clark from the last season of Tough Enough playing the role of the Velveteen Dream. Yet again, that gimmick is getting over.

I absolutely love the journey through history with Ricki Starr as the rather effeminate ballet dancer. Starr was a top gimmick and top draw of the 50's. The first guy I thought of when I saw Fandango was The Honky Tonk Man, as they both have musical based characters that generate heat when they dance. But I can see the link to Ricki Starr. Of course the obvious forerunners to Goldust are guys like Gorgeous George and Adorable Adrian Adonis, all effeminate sometimes cross dressing characters complete with make up, sometimes flowers, and women's underwear who drew attention with all these antics yet were tough in the ring once the bell rang. 

On a side note Stardust was by far my favorite gimmick for Cody. And I love this trek through history that we're taking.

I totally blanked on Gorgeous George & Adorable Adrian. You're absolutely right about them.

I can see the Honky Tonk Man similarities too, but as he was more of a musician that would dance than just a dancer. I would say Elias has more in common with Honky Tonk Man than Fandango.

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

As for some old gimmicks that I would love to see resurface in today's WWE... 

Kamala that Ugandan Headhunter - I would love to see a wrestler portray a clueless savage garbed in native hunting attire complete with a spear and a shield and whom can barely speak English. A gimmick like that is missing from today. It doesn't matter what country he's from, but somewhere in Africa would do fine.
I loved the Ugandan Giant gimmick, especially with the handler AND a manager. It really made him seem like a feral human who had more in common with King Kong than that of a wrestler I wonder if there would be a way to bring that forward somehow without pissing of the sponsors...

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Demolition/Powers of Pain - I would love a good tag team (or individual) with spikes on their outfits, face paint, and lots of muscle who can just pound the shit out of their opponents.   

I think after the rejection by the fans of the Ascension's main roster gimmick, we won't see it revisited again anytime soon.

I'm still bitter over the fans rejecting them too as they are such an incredibly good tag team, and their Underworld gimmick that made them seem like a tag team of Undertakers was great, but I suppose it was their similarities to the Brothers of Destruction that ultimately led to them getting repackaged. Can't have a tag team who comes out wearing trenchcoats in blue lighting and talking about dark mystical themes.
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