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    Posted: 02/April/2015 at 13:06
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Neville lost his first name from Friday night at the NXT show I attended to Monday's RAW but mke no mistake that the  British lad is special. Great young man who is respectful and a true pro who has more than paid his dues and, yes, he reminds me of Tommy Billington aka the Dynamite Kid.


Neville is an old mans name and reminds me of Sky 1 comedy character from Trollied that's a geek, timid and a pushover...........



They should have stuck with Adrian Neville. It was even trending number 1 worldwide.

He was always going to get a main show debut pop with so many Brits there. Lets see how good his pop is in the coming weeks.
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Those that know him for NXT will pop for him due to his in-ring style. He'll be the same as Kalisto for that. I just hope he's given a proper chance to develop a character on the main roster. 

Also on the plus side they've kept the whole 'Man who gravity forgot' gimmick.

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At this point my only complai t is that there are too many high fliers out there that just want to get over based on the fact that they can jump, and non of them, not one is as realistic in their incorporation of the high flying moves as savage was. Savage was so godam quick that a person would take a shot from him, go down, and before they had even finished bouncing on the mat Savage was on the tope rope waiting. His timing made his top rope moves believable, qnd that was what made him the best. Starting with hbk, top rope moves and high fliers forced the oponent and the fans alike to suspend disbelief while we would watch the guy take a bump fall imperfectly into place, adjust themselves prefectly for no reason whatsoever, then have the guy climb to the ropes, and then jump in that order. It made commentary get a chance to talk about it but it was obvious what was going to happen next. It helped back in the day when you had both Bret Hart and Ric Flair doing their respective parts to make top rope moves look high risk and difficult to pull off. Bret by playing possum and falling just right to set himself up for a top rope move and then when his oponent would bite and go for it, he'd kip up and toss the guy off, hope up to the 2nd turn buckle and deliver an elbow of his own. Flair NEVER in the history of mankind EVEEEEER succeeded in a top rope move he attempted and was always caught and tossed. It made top rope moves seem special.

Nowadays everyone has a top rope move and everyone sets it up the same and we're just supposed to believe that's how things work, and it's stupid. The quality of selling has gone down the tubes, yet at the same time the quality of athleticism has gone through the roof and there absolutely no excuse for the selling involved with the setup of a top rope kove to be so shitty.

With more guys like Neville Longbottom hiphopping around, and Sin Cara and Kalisto doing their thing there is going to be far more of that crappy setup for top rope preselling.Nitpicky, sure, but it's something they really ought to be able to fix easily if they tried. They just don't care to try.

I'd really like to see more ground and pound chain wrestler types at this point, and far more in the breed of Lesnar, Ryback, Rusev and Big E. And I would like to see ALL of them use 90% high impact throws like Lesnar does.

supposedly that Nation guy will do some of this shit whenever he debuts in nxt. At least I hope so.

If they can keep the show balance in the 3 major types of offensives guys like Neville will make the show great, but without it, he's almost dime a dozen right now.
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Thing is Neville can wrestle as well, he combines power and technical skill with the high flying spot monkey stuff, if he was a bit taller and could cut a decent promo he really would be the full package.

He looked impressive in his Raw debut and the crowd popped for him but the audience was pretty smark heavy this past Monday. However I'm pretty confident that much like Daniel Bryan he can get over strong just on his in-ring work and become a great addition to the Intercontinental and US title divisions.

The name Neville sucks though, hopefully they will re-introduce the Adrian part.
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I think the Neville hate is a clash of cultures thing. I noticed one of you guys say it's an old man's name. TBH I've never known anyone named Neville, and only associate it with the Harry Potter character, and thus sounds just like a typical English name to me. Conversely, Adrian makes me think first of "Yo! Adrian!" From Rocky, or Rambo or whatever it was where Sylvester Stallone said it, and of course Adrian was his chick.
 
I'd be interested in hearing what guys like Pimpy and Russ thought about the Neville name to see if they feel more or less the same as I do, in that it just sounds English and nothing more.
 
On the other hand, names like Chester, George, Henry, Frank, Vernon... those all sound like old man names to me. So to you Brits, do those names sound like 'old man' names to you?
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I think people hating on the name Neville is just a case of some folk actually looking for things to dislike about WWE's product. 

They've watched what was really a fantastic episode of Raw, knowing the talent that Neville will bring to the main roster, and the main response they have is a complaint?
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I think it's a legit gripe if it's real, not one worth really crapping on the guy over, but I don't think anyone is, because we're all fans of the guy for the most part. I would say Fletch is probably Neville's biggest fan on the site here, and I don't see any indication of that changing just because of how they shortened his name.

 
I mean, as an American, if I hear a new debuting guy I really liked (say, instead of debuting on the main roster as Bray Wyatt for example he) got the name of something along the lines of [goes to look up popular male names in the 1920's according the social security administration] Dewey, Lowell, Wilbert, Archie, Orville, Ernest, Hubert, Clarence, Wallace, Harvey, Chester, Vernon, Elmer, Bernard, Gerald, Stanley, Norman, Ralph, Gene, Walter, etc. These were all names in the top 200 male names given to babies born in the 1920's. If one of my favorite wrestlers were given ANY of those names... dude fuck that!

So if Neville is one such name given to English kids way back in the day and it carries with it the same stigma as some of the names I listed above here in the US. Yeah I totally get it. But at the same time, to me, having never heard anyone use that name, it really doesn't sound that bad at all. And I dare say guys like Fletch, Baz, Adders and others might pick out a few of the names I listed as old man names here in the US, and say they don't sound too bad at all too.
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I dont like his new name. Names like Big E, Cesaro, and Rusev are all down grades from their original incarnations. i dont know what Vinces hardon is for having guys just go by last names, but its really bad. Besides, most of the time theyd be called by their last name for short hand anyway.
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I like the cruiserweight style of wrestling and Neville is prolly one of the few that can set it properly. Slam to the mat top rope and Boom Red Arrow. 

It's a formula that works, Kidman used to hit the Kid Crusher and then top rope. Jeff Twist of Fate then top rope. Eddie maybe even had the best move to set up the Frog Splash with his 3 Amigos to keep the guy down. Even the ones where the guy reverses on the top rope I enjoy.....Just not all the time.

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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think it's a legit gripe if it's real, not one worth really crapping on the guy over, but I don't think anyone is, because we're all fans of the guy for the most part. I would say Fletch is probably Neville's biggest fan on the site here, and I don't see any indication of that changing just because of how they shortened his name.

 
I mean, as an American, if I hear a new debuting guy I really liked (say, instead of debuting on the main roster as Bray Wyatt for example he) got the name of something along the lines of [goes to look up popular male names in the 1920's according the social security administration] Dewey, Lowell, Wilbert, Archie, Orville, Ernest, Hubert, Clarence, Wallace, Harvey, Chester, Vernon, Elmer, Bernard, Gerald, Stanley, Norman, Ralph, Gene, Walter, etc. These were all names in the top 200 male names given to babies born in the 1920's. If one of my favorite wrestlers were given ANY of those names... dude fuck that!

So if Neville is one such name given to English kids way back in the day and it carries with it the same stigma as some of the names I listed above here in the US. Yeah I totally get it. But at the same time, to me, having never heard anyone use that name, it really doesn't sound that bad at all. And I dare say guys like Fletch, Baz, Adders and others might pick out a few of the names I listed as old man names here in the US, and say they don't sound too bad at all too.


His name change isn't of great importance to me, what matters far more is that they've allowed him to keep the same character he used in NXT rather than giving him some horrible Mighty Mouse gimmick like had been rumoured.
I don't mind the name Neville, I preferred it as Adrian Neville as I don't really understand this current WWE trend of only having singular names, I preferred Big E when he had Langston attached as well, Cesaro I must admit kind of works on its own.
But anyway as I say the main thing is he's still doing the man that gravity forgot gimmick, whatever tag they give him off the random name generator is of little importance really, I think some people just think Neville is some stereotypical English name when in fact it's not that common, it just happens to be the surname of two pretty famous Footballing brothers over here but otherwise you seldom hear the name.
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