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Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

II suppose with all the politics with creative control, tons of wrestlers switching to WWF and Russo not having any real McMahon figure above him to sort problems out, Vince Russo didnt do THAT bad after all. He still had some suck ass ideas though.


Some ideas did suck rikishi ass.
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Russo did come up with some good ideas but by the time he got to WCW, most of the WCW fans had turned over to the WWE and it would have taken another NWO type thing--not the NWO itself--but another storyline along the lines of that that would make people want to watch to get them to come back. 

It's unfortunate for the people that actually stayed with WCW until the very end that things had to go this way because while they may have had some good to great feuds and matches, there just wasn't enough interest in that so that it would bring people back to WCW.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you have incessant assholes like Hogan and his cronies and I hate to call him an asshole but Sting too that wouldn't work with these people in order to rebuild WCW.  I may be wrong but this is my opinion.  I'll always believe Hogan is the reason for the downfall of WCW.  He's always been about "me, me, me" and if he doesn't get his way, he whines like a bitch and runs out on whatever company he may be working for at the time or uses a bullshit injury like the one he used in 2006 when Orton had to take a loss to that jackass or not have a match on the SummerSlam card at all.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote John The Baptist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30/September/2008 at 18:30
By the time WCW realized that they didnt need to give Hogan, Nash and their other marquee stars the world title to get ratings, it was already too late. Maybe everyone knew there wasnt long left for the company, so they just pushed loads of young talent that wouldnt of got a look in otherwise. When Vince and Eric came back in 2000, they had a good thing going, and WCW was picking up business again until the Bash at the Beach farce. Jarrett had momentum as champ, Russo makes the right call in booking him to go over Hogan, so he invokes his creative control? What an ass. Ive heard that WCW's programming like Nitro didnt even have a match schedule when the show started, so it must have been pretty hard for Russo to be fair. Come to think of it, with so many wrestlers having creative control, and Nash on the booking team, who was responsible for the idiotic storylines? How could anyone of booked a fluid, long-term feud when the matches are constanly changing without your approval?
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Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

When Vince and Eric came back in 2000, they had a good thing going, and WCW was picking up business again until the Bash at the Beach farce. Jarrett had momentum as champ, Russo makes the right call in booking him to go over Hogan, so he invokes his creative control? What an ass.

Yep. That alone should tell you who truly killed WCW.

Originally posted by Rock Mark Rock Mark wrote:

Ive heard that WCW's programming like Nitro didnt even have a match schedule when the show started, so it must have been pretty hard for Russo to be fair. Come to think of it, with so many wrestlers having creative control, and Nash on the booking team, who was responsible for the idiotic storylines? How could anyone of booked a fluid, long-term feud when the matches are constanly changing without your approval?

With all that being said, one would have to be at least somewhat surprised they ever even booked a fluid card.
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Quote Following recent productive weekends with Angelina Love at various events, Velvet Sky posted a message on Twitter Sunday thanking Vince Russo for teaming the two together five years ago when he devised characters and storylines for TNA Wrestling.

"Wanna shout out Vince Russo & thank him 4 creating the team of #TBP. After all this time we r still going stronger than ever @ActualALove," Sky wrote. "I for one never forgot where I came from and who helped create my success along the way. Thank you Russo!!"

Love added, "He was always wonderful to us!!"

Sky was then notified of the "bad things" Russo did for professional wrestling. She responded to the fan, "Fortunately I am a positive person and focus on the good on people."

She also re-tweeted, "That's very nice of you & I hope people realize that Vince Russo did great things in wrestling & should not be bashed."

Yeah, Vince Russo succeeded in helping Angelina Love and Velvet Sky, but he still suck at booking, and at writing, no matter what anyone will tell me. 
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I've heard some funny praise given to Russo over the years. The people that benefitted from his insanity always give him some thanks.
 
I can't remember where I first heard it. I've heard other creative members say that Russo came up with some great ideas and set-ups. But he never had any sort of ending in mind. He was big on the 'we'll figure it out later' approach. When he was in WWE that was always kept in check by Vince McMahon. McMahon always knew where he wanted an angle to end. But in WCW and TNA, there wasn't sort of authority over Russo. So Russo ended up as this weird figure in the business. He was very creative but he was often rudderless in his approach.
 
 
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Some old_skool Rock Mark posts up in this bitch.

Russo is great, and most the people who hate him unknowingly like most the shit from the Attitude Era which Russo booked. GTFOH.
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

Some old_skool Rock Mark posts up in this bitch.

Russo is great, and most the people who hate him unknowingly like most the shit from the Attitude Era which Russo booked. GTFOH.

It wouldn't been this good, if it wasn't for Vince McMahon. I mean, he came up with an idea of an 'incest' angle between Vince and his daughter. If it wasn't for Vince, those angles wouldn't have been as good as they were.
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Originally posted by PSachkovsky PSachkovsky wrote:

It wouldn't been this good, if it wasn't for Vince McMahon. I mean, he came up with an idea of an 'incest' angle between Vince and his daughter. If it wasn't for Vince, those angles wouldn't have been as good as they were.
 
Considering that wwe was ready to run an incest angle with the Burchills in 2008, lets not make Vince Mcmahon out to be a saint and Russo a disgusting person for pitching such a thing.
 
Russo gets a lot of shit that he doesnt deserve. He is capable of giving EVERYONE on the roster a character and get every act on the roster over. I watch attitude era clips on Youtube and Val Venis gets as a big a pop in 1999 as John Cena gets in 2012.
 
Saying that Russo cant book an ending to story is pretty funny considering almost every booker has that problem. Russo can keep things interesting while those other bookers cant. (See the Aces and Eights story crawl along at an uninteresting pace) Russo's only outright bad quality is the over-reliance on the schoolboy pin of doom and the ref bump (a ref bump that almost all bookers use btw)
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Prior to the Attitude Era both WWF & JCP/WCW typically planned out what their main events at WrestleMania & Starrcade would be several months in advance. They figured out their destination and then planned how to get there.
 
Russo likes to get in the car and just start driving.  That's probably why he did so well with McMahon in WWF. It was around the Attitude Era that McMahon seemed increasingly prone to chucking a script just hours before going live. That was something that suited Russo's style just fine.  Of course that also created a lot of loose ends and inconsistencies. But McMahon has always been convinced that fans can't remember what happened 3 weeks ago.
 
With WWE now the standard default in US wrestling, we now see that McMahon-Russo approach more frequently.  I think all the promotions now do this, they start angles with no plan for what the end will be.
 
 


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