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Originally posted by Trice Trice wrote:

That he knows where to find old man gay porn is slightly disconcerting though.

This was the only concern I had LOL

Originally posted by Trice Trice wrote:

Loving Raven's fanboy tribute :P
(nice quote rememberage too)
I'd never forget one of Trice's Trademarks! And, I couldn't let a sig/avatar combo that awesome go to waste, could I?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2011 at 12:55
Only one question needs answering and only Pac is able to answer it. That is before banning JTB for good did he.......
 
1) Trace the IP being used to see where it was from or if it can be traced to JTB either bang on or very similar to a past IP. Or.....
 
2) Assume it was JTB without any proof at all.
 
Afterall he's plenty of friends on here despite what people think so what would stop one of his supporters doing it on his behalf?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vladel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2011 at 14:05
Ok firstly i would point out that i have not seen the messages in question/the shoutbox fight/the evidence of who started what and the like. So if you have a problem with what i am about to say then it's your own problem. You may correct me but i assure you that i will not care enough to take much notice Big smile.

What i know of the protagonists involved:-

Pacman: Society needs rules and thus society also needs someone to enforce them. Now while pacman is not elected as far as i'm aware but from what i have read of his posts and heard of him, he's one of the most adult people on here. Whatever evidence that Pacman has that these accounts are sockpuppets (i was under that impression when i read their posts). It is right to perhaps ask some questions of him as long as you remember that he is in charge for a reason!

Rock mark/JTB: Used to be a great poster! I've always like JTB since i came here because he was different from the people that spent most of the day sucking eachother off (figuratively). He would liken some of his attitudes to be closer to my own and also not afraid to speak them. I always admired this trait of his.
Recently however, his posts have degenerated more toward trolling and open hostility with alot less humour or sense which is a bit of a shame. The deterioration of his contribution here seemed to be heading toward a blowup of some kind, the only thing that remained unknwon was who it would be with.

Raven: Aaron being JTBs biggest supporter was about as much of a suprise as john cena being back on raw every week when he was fired. I like Raven because he has an edge to him. The only shame is that his edge is such a JTB clone and perhaps with him gone, we may see much greater things from Raven which he is very much capable of. WE ALL have heroes but an overly aggressive and clearly reckless internet poster is not one i would choose.

Now i may be wrong about how much Raven looks up to JTB in all fairness, but it's not healthy! There are girls!! in Real life! Iike you fella and i hope you don't do a JTB.

Lucas Jizzel: I don't ever  really talk to you. Idon't think there is much too it because we just don't have any reason to. Most of the time i notice you, you seem to be either getting bullied by someone or getting taken the piss out of whereas, you probably only ever see me being a homopphobic/racist bigot which is fine because we all have our place in life. The thing that troubles me is that everytime i see you being mocked, you seem to encourage it and play up to it. Maybe i am being harsh there but that's just my viewpoint. The rest of the time you seem to play a very good victim.

For instance, when that guy joined from a previous forum you had joined and was openly hostile to you for whatever reason (i can't remember). You handled yourself very well and i didn't find him to be a very warm character and i felt you were in the right. When everyone picks on you in the shoutbox, you take it well and i don't see  you as antagonistic in any way so fair enough.....

The incident:
I've only read brief bits of what has been going on and like i said before, JTB was on a one way road to a serious bust up with someone (the HBK thread illustrates well, and i admit i was not happy about the spoiler either but that is another discussion). I'd imagine that JTB started this because i don't think it's in jizzels nature. I'd personally like to see the posts involved and i really hope that people have just not automatically seen jizzel as the victim and hung JTB out to dry without so much of a chance to defend himself.

Shoutbox arguements are awesome! especially when it's kept under control without getting personal which i can see that JTB would do easily. If it was taken to PM then that is the right thing to do. If things start getting personal then if it's kept in PM i don't have a problem with it....
IF JTB sends something abusive to Jizzel then that's fine if Jizzel ignores it or reports it straight away. If Jizzel then replies with something equally nasty you can't then turn around and cry to the admins (I don't know if this happened, i'm speculating). I can see some folks points from what i've hearc in the shoutbox that jizzel is a whiny victim etc... i even myself joked abiout who wouldn't want to abuse him also but if there are rules and JTB has been proven to have broken them then  suspension/having a word with him (admittedly having a word would probably do nothing but give him something to rant about).

At what point do you get involved when you consider that both folk are (i hate to say) technically almost adults. They can sort their own stuff out between them. If you are old enough to hold intelligent conversation about wrestling (which i admit is not very adult). I feel sorry for Pacman now because i think that he has done his best with the information he has and now people are most likely building up as a lynchmob to prove him wrong.

There are claims that JTB sent pictures of old man gay porn or something to that effect...... i don't know how true that is...... but if it is then that is about as childish and unimaginative as you can get. IF it's true i will have lost all respect for JTB. there's not alot you can do that gets that reaction but it's true. Not just because of the childish aspect, but the fact it's old man gay porn! What level do you have to get to before you even consider that?? seriously?
Suppose he has a fight with one of the newcomers from the WWE forums, some 14 year old cathloic kid with strict parents and TUP members are sending gay porn!!

If you send Old man gay porn to another human being, you deserve to be violated by a bunch of old men.....

If he did send this stuff..... i fully support the suspension! and would seriously consider a ban purely on that basis.

Now as to the issue of sock puppet accounts. pacmansucksdick is a pretty obvious one (sure i saw that one this morning). If there is proof, that is a different matter which the lynchmob will soon see to i believe. If there are truely sockpuppet accounts then the ban has to supported in all honesty. If you took just the last two months of JTB posting, you think you wouldn't be losing much at all.

This is going to go on and on without doubt and another has fallen victim to the heat magnet that is lucas jizzel. There is one thought that wouldn't probe through the minds of many that perhaps jizzel should have just grown a pair of balls and dealt with it. It doesn't excuse gay porn though.
If the gay porn thing is true....... he deserves to be banned for life regardless of the other matter.

If it's just abuse and fighting then perhaps a suspension is correct if it's over the top considering it is jizzel we are talking about here....

If the sockpuppetting is true in any case JTB should be banned and should have known better and be proud to be counted amoung the tommy rices of this world.

If the gay porn is untrue and he is innocent of the sockpuppetting (no evidence is not innocence because it's funny they only turned up when JTB had been susspended and the posts they made) then he should be brought back with strict instructions of what he can and can't do.

I don't feel sorry for Jizzel or JTB because they both bring it on themselves, JTB for being a dick Jizzel for being an uber victim. I feel sorry for Pacman for having to deal with this and all the questions/crap from people he will get as a result...


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I thought you guys had to confirm new accounts.  Aside from that, whoever this was got into the PB section and normally, when a slew of idiots like this comes around, they never manage to get into the PB section. 

Even that dickhead, money, couldn't get into the PB section when he made his pathetic attempts to trash the place.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2011 at 14:22
Maybe Pac has taken picture proof to back up the full time ban, otherwise it's been done on a whim with no concrete evidence. Yes JTB might be lying that the sock puppet accounts aren't him, but i'm inclined to believe him. The accounts........
 
1) Used the name Brett Birnberg in the profiles which is the name of poster brettbirnberg on here who is a known troll.
 
2) How ironic that brettbirnberg doesn't post for ages and comes back when someone is banned as he's signed into his account today for the first time in ages.
 
3) The sock puppet accounts posted in a different font, style etc than JTB does. Completely different.
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I might have missed something, I'm quite tired, but how do you know they got into the PB section?

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It's looking increasingly likely that JTB will be back after his original one week suspension Pac gave him.
 
Also Vlad brought up a good point. Lucas should have reported the original JTB private message and left it at that to be sorted by Pac, who he sent to the moaning message to.
 
Instead he went back and forth in PMs to JTB like being back at school so he's just as bad for continuing the war of words.
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well, it was 3 AM so I may have been mistaken about the PB section but I could have sworn I seen something about peniswanker or something to that degree in there. 

I noticed a topic called "Pacmansucksdick" in there too.  Now, did BFP start that or did his account get invaded?  That should have been deleted like the rest of the junk that was posted on here was. 

I left cause I didn't want whoever was doing this to start taking shots at me. 

I do agree about one thing.  If there is no proof that JTB did all of this then he deserves to be brought back on here and after all the shit I've been through this past year on here and he had a lot to do with it, that's saying something right there.


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Aaron: Such wise words about Shiz who loves playing the victim. He's made thousands of posts and still isn't in our PB because his peers on here don't think highly enough of him and his posting. While we have guys with half as many posts who will likely be in before him.
 
Konny: Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "shite" but it's one of my favourite words in the world. I just thought it was a given that people who post on forums know to give people something to reply to.
 
Maria: If only more folks had done what you did instead of rising to the sock puppets. Maybe the time spent replying to those accounts for them only to be deleted could have been spent giving some wrestling views, which is what we are here for.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Also Vlad brought up a good point. Lucas should have reported the original JTB private message and left it at that to be sorted by Pac, who he sent to the moaning message to.
 
Instead he went back and forth in PMs to JTB like being back at school so he's just as bad for continuing the war of words.

When Vlad said this before, he openly added that he was just speculating and didn't know if it happened that way or not.

Yet you're assuming to take this to mean that Lucas did respond, despite the fact the following has already been said here:


Originally posted by L-shizzel L-shizzel wrote:

I.did not knowingly provoke Jtb nor did I respond to any of his pms I merely forwarded them onto to pac to.

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