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    Posted: 07/September/2010 at 16:30
       Before commenting on the Cena v Gabriel match on this week's RAW (6 Sept), have to say I was surprised there was no specific Cena thread. I guess with the disdain people seem to hold for Cena no one bothered - but hey, I have been on TUP for 9 months and it was the first time I actually thought to write something about a Cena match myself.
       Like Cena or not, he is the top of the heap in WWE - and saying that his only fans are 'sheep' or kids or women is an easy way to dismiss his popularity, but week after week, year after year, this guy enters to huge pops and crowd support, which means that people do find him entertaining (and charismatic). Sometimes I think even Cena must be amazed that people love him like they do.
       Yeah, Cena has his '4 Moves' you see every match (Shoulder charge off the ropes, back drop, 5 fingers, attitude adjustment, but to be fair he does do other stuff including a good range of submission moves. Yeah, he's 'Mr Squeeky Clean', but hey, if he didn't play the role, someone else would. It also makes him a great face for the company, and no-one can deny that Cena is a good bloke and handles the fans and media well.
       Personally, I have never had the angst about him that some wrestling purists seem to. He gets out there each week, puts on a show that entertains people and you can never fault the guy for his professionalism and energy. Yeah the 'Super-Cena' thing is funny at times, but after sitting through Super-Goldberg demolishing everything for years with no skill and no personality, Cena looks good lol (i.e. 'super-men' are part of the wrestling landscape).
 
       Now what inspired this Cena rant?
       This week Cena was pitted against Justin Gabriel. I think everyone knew Cena was going to beat Gabriel from the get-go, but what followed was 9 minutes or so of humour, entertaining wrestling, and Cena's graciousness.
       Cena didn't go for a squash with Gabriel, and was fantastic in selling Gabriel's moves. The length of the match (and Cena) allowed Gabriel to shine for the first time in a WWE solo match, and produce some wonderful moves that he never has time for in shorter matches.
       It was pretty clear that these guys put a lot of preparation into this match as it flowed really well with each sharing the spotlight at times. Cena gave Gabriel a great rub in this match, and allowed Gabriel to show why he deserves a spot on the roster (of RAW or SD) - even if there was no way in hell he was going to beat WWEs #1 star.
       Cena finished with an Attitude Adjustment off the top rope - again, a great sell for Gabriel as Cena had to go to those lengths to 'finish' him.
        Good match and 8/10 for Cena on this one. Here's the match -
 
 
 
 
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You know what, I agree. While I can´t stand John Cena´s on screen persona, I just can´t, I have to respect and admire his work ethic. You never see the guy one inch out of shape, so to speak, he always looks well rested, top trained, prepared, he doesn´t flunk his lines (*nudge* @ Alicia Fox)... Yeah, he´s a good poster boy for the kiddified WWE we have today.

Also agreed about the Gabriel match this week, he gave Justin a very nice length, made him look really good at times and took great efforts to end the match in his favour, as we know it would end. I think Justin and Cena got together before the show, talked the match through and apparently Johnny boy was impressed enough with the "kid" to give Justin a good outing.
 
Definately one of Johns better matches. no doubt.
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No one has ever doubted that Cena was a good bloke. I've always thought he was a good bloke, but as a wrestler I can't stand him. Why? Simply because there are, in my eyes, more deserving people in the company and for years he has hogged the lime light. I mean, people have said to me in the past that he is only doing what he's told, and for me, that is crap. In a TLC match with Edge, a match Edge had never lost and Cena had never fought, in Edge's hometown, you're seriously telling me he couldn't have dropped the belt??
 
On the same token, I don't like how genuinely talented people, great wrestlers in days past have been surpassed by a man with nothing of their talent. Yes, Cena works hard. Yes, he is dedicated. I've heard it all before. But for me, it is a crime that he has won the world title 9 times while wrestlers like Shawn Michaels only won it 4 times and Bret Hart only won it 5. These were great wrestlers, and in fact they arguably had the greatest match of all time when HBK beat Bret for the World Title in THE Iron Man Match. Yet, when all is said and done, John Cena will be remembered as having won more than them, been more successful than them etc. For me, that is wrong. But, I guess, that is the nature of the Sports Entertainment Beast where WRESTLING takes a back seat.
 
The other problem I have with him, but not so much with him personally, is the way he is sold. He never bothered me that much before. He was just a necessary evil, but after one match in particular I went from disliking the character, but not really bothering, to outright hating the John Cena (the wrestler) persona because of the commentators. I mean, I can't remember the exact match, but I think it might have been Edge v Cena v HBK for the WWE Title. Not sure. Anyway, Cena hit the FU on the third guy (not sure it was Edge) and then turned around and was hit by the Sweet Chin Music. Michaels fell down out of exhaustion while Cena fell backwards naturally from the kick but landed on Edge. Ref counts, Cena retains or wins or whatever happened. Long time ago. What annoyed me was the fact that the commentators never mentioned it, instead talking about his resiliency etc etc and then on the next RAW Cena mouths off about how he deserved it, how he won yada yada with no mention of the incident. After that, I hated the character because I saw that he would never be gotten over clean and that he would always be portrayed as this do no wrong face. Now, that is not a jibe at the man, but at the character.
 
I don't like those characters, that can do no wrong. It's just Hogan all over again. I prefer the conflicted wrestlers, the tweeners. Austin, Angle, Triple H, The Rock etc. These men were faces but they did questionable things in terms of storyline at times. They were human. Cena comes across like he lives in a box and is wheeled every Monday and at every PPV to wrestle, and then gets packaged away again. I like real characters. Yes, sometimes that can be limited. Yes, I like Kane, but I never and still don't like the supernatural elements to it. I liked the deranged, real man that was there who had a haunted childhood. That was good. I liked Austin's downtrodden employee rebelling against the boss. I like Fourtune airing their real life grievances in a kayfabe story. A lot of people want realism in wrestling, not a comic book where everything is black and white. Good v Bad. If Cena became more real, he'd go down a lot better.


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-- While it hasn't been a week yet since Randy Orton won the WWE Title, there is already some people in the company who are second-guessing the decision to put the belt back on him. Some feel that they pushed Orton hard for weeks and then gave him the belt and nobody seemed to care about it once he won. Some people were pushing to put the belt back on John Cena while others feel that this is a sign that Cena needs to turn heel because his face run is over.

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How many times have we heard this though? Cena has been more stale than a month old loaf of bread for ages now, a heel turn would do wonders for his character and provide him with a huge amount of fresh matches and feuds, but WWE wont do this untill someone can rival his merchandise sales.
 
Randy Orton is getting bigger pops than Cena but WWE wont see him as the same kind of draw as he doesnt have the kiddy appeal and the ability to shift the merch that Cena does. Also I dont think Randy will put in the time doing promotional work that Cena does.
 
Personally I would keep Cena face and just turn some other guys heel to give him fresh opposition.
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Turn Cena into a tweener, make him more like Orton, where he will do both heelish and face stuff inside the ring, it would freshen his character a tad little bit but it will also give Cena the chance to keep doing the promotional work that he does.


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Originally posted by badguy badguy wrote:

Turn Cena into a tweener, make him more like Orton, where he will do both heelish and face stuff inside the ring, it would freshen his character a tad little bit but it will also give Cena the chance to keep doing the promotional work that he does.
Yeah I've said for years this is what they need to do with Cena. Give him back his some of his edge that he had when he was doing his hip hop/street thug gimmick, get him to stop sucking up to the fans so much, this surely wouldnt harm his kiddy appeal but would give him more of a adult-fanbase as well.
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http://vids.wwe.com/index.php/video/Raw-RTruth-offers-John-Cena-controversial-advice/632139122001/
 
Cena looked quite heelish with Truth talking to him, like he didn't want R Truth telling him what he should do.
 
Months down the line Cena might end up turning by taking out Truth.
 
Raw sadly was once again the Cena Show.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Editude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/October/2010 at 16:48

Raw will be the cena show as long as he is not drafted or injured, i think it's time for him to have less TV time already. =/

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He's a rookies (with less than 6 months on the main roster) personal bitchboy, I'm not sure what you guys want from him tbh. He isn't in the title run and is actually putting over guys for the first spell of his career.

How that translates to Raw being 'the Cena show', I have no idea. Obviously hes still going to be on screen, hes WWE's biggest star FFS and in the middle of their big ongoing angle.
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

He's a rookies (with less than 6 months on the main roster) personal bitchboy, I'm not sure what you guys want from him tbh. He isn't in the title run and is actually putting over guys for the first spell of his career.

How that translates to Raw being 'the Cena show', I have no idea. Obviously hes still going to be on screen, hes WWE's biggest star FFS and in the middle of their big ongoing angle.

Their biggest draw? Taking up a good portion of the airtime? HEAVEN FORBID. And you're right, he's actually doing some good for once with this new Nexus angle, even with my sporadic viewing of the product in general I've read the reports and they suggest that Cena isn't really hogging the ME spotlight.
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