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    Posted: 31/December/2007 at 15:04

From Jim Ross Website.................

Quote J.R,

On the "McMahon" DVD, I hear you say that during the Montreal Screwjob, Vince McMahon was "outed" as the owner, but if I had to credit anyone with the "genesis" of Mr. McMahon, besides what happened in Montreal, it would be your ill-fated heel turn in September 1996, which in my opinion makes you the first person who acknowledged Mr. McMahon as the owner. but Mr. McMahon was still a "good guy" in 1996 and the "Montreal Incident" eventually led to the "evil" Mr. McMahon, who unlike in 1996, reviled in being "Mr. McMahon."

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"ILL fated" is certainly one way to describe my tirade in 1996, but I could think of some other descriptors, but I won’t, seeing that it is the holiday season. A friend of mine from Dallas was recently up here for some good BarBQ and he brought a DVD he had burned for me with that infamous tirade from RAW. No, we didn’t watch it. We watched a 1989 Connie Chung show from CBS News he also brought that reported that Ted Turner was now in the "rasslin’ business." My friend’s wife Lynn, who was still working at WCW at the time in PR, said that they got a lot of phone calls the next day from fans who had seen Raw and either thought I quit or got fired after the show, asking if WCW was going to hire Jim Ross back. No way I was going to quit!

I love it when JR always talks about this run. He's really open and honest about how poor it was and how crap he was personally. Some people just don't work well as both heel and face. JR is a great example of that rule and has always been much more comfortable in a face role. His rant on Raw and then bringing out Fake Diesel and Fake Razor was one of the lowest points of the year. That said he got a reaction from the fans not knowing if it was real or not and people are still talking about it.

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jim ross is a peice of crap...if you have a job where it is mainly talking you should have full capabilities of your mouth
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Yeah, of course, you could have full capabilities of your face even after two Bells Palsy attacks. You're inhuman. You're almighty and better than us.

But no, you're just an idiot and an imbecile. Oh well.
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Jim Ross Website: Hey JR, Happy New Year. Great blog as always. I’ve noticed that sometimes you seem largely critical of your heel performances in 1996 and 1999. I must beg to differ. I thought in both showings, you were amazingly passionate, and as Mick Foley advises in his first book, genuinely believed your motives as a bad guy in order to make it convincing.

It just sprung to mind particularly with all the recent Raw XV stuff recently, I wouldn’t be overstating it if I said I thought your 1996 promo where you aired your grievances with Vince and the WWF then you reintroduced Razor Ramon is probably in my top 5 ever. I hope you don’t mind me being a bit intrusive, I just wondered what particularly bothers you about your performances? Many thanks, Mike H, England

There was nowhere to go with that scenario of J.R . being a bad guy. There was no pay off. I wasn’t going to become a wrestler and I felt I was cast in that role by people, more or less out of spite, because they knew I had no desire to become an in-ring performer whether it be a good guy or a bad guy. It was short term, near-sighted booking that had no pay off and was merely a TV ploy to perhaps enhance ratings.

well i didnt see his heel performences or promos and not many people really talk about, probally because j.r isnt really proud of it himself, so doesnt really bother mentioning it. but i think he is right really seeing as he has/had no intrest in becoming a manager or what ever, and you cant really be a heel play by play guy, so it just wouldnt work for long periods of time.

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I disagree I thought the first J.R. Heel run was bang on. 
The thing about it is coming from the Glory days of the NWA you could buy that this guy would have a problem with Vinces version of Pro Wrestling and also his commentry which of couse was awful!   The story was reined a little by having him as part of the fake Razor/Diesel thing, but in fairness in those days the biz had not been overly exposed so in a way you could maybe believe that Razor and Diesel were infact coming back to Raw.
The second heel run was wasted and in some ways pointless.
 
Anyway I have very little to say bad about Jim Ross, for years he's held the standed as the best annoacer in Wrestling.  He proved it in NWA/WCW and also in WWF.  I think his time is up as a play by play man, but he still has a lot to offer behind the scenes.  The day J.R. lost his job to big John was a black day for WWE.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

I love it when JR always talks about this run. He's really open and honest about how poor it was and how crap he was personally. Some people just don't work well as both heel and face. JR is a great example of that rule and has always been much more comfortable in a face role. His rant on Raw and then bringing out Fake Diesel and Fake Razor was one of the lowest points of the year. That said he got a reaction from the fans not knowing if it was real or not and people are still talking about it.

Well, once again I have a completely different opinion than Adders (huh, surprise!) Ermm 

I absolutely loved this rant and listed it as one of my favorite Raw moments ever in the Raw favorite moments thread. It was so interesting to me to see that angry and frustrated side of J.R. when he's normally calm and professional at the broadcasting booth. The skit had my attention; and it blurred the lines between storyline and reality as the events Jim Ross described were real, such as Vince firing him twice. Like I said I'm pretty sure it was one of the first worked shoots in the WWF. Jim Ross really stood out for me at the time, he was just in the background before. 

I remember thinking at the time that I wished this personality in Jim Ross would have continued longer, carrying a grudge against McMahon in his broadcasts. He hinted at it a little bit over the years but no where near with that intensity of that first promo. 

But yes I admit the fake Razor and Fake Diesel sucked (no offence to Kane.) 

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I loved his heel rant too, but then I love those kind of promos that blur the lines of the script and reality, Ross did seem to shoot through much of that promo.

At the time he actually had me believing Nash and Hall were coming back and I remember feeling disappointed when the fake Razor and Diesel came out.

I thought he was very effective as a heel but Good Old JR is much like Mick Foley in that he's such a loveable cuddly kind of character that WWE prefer to use him as a babyface.
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Originally posted by MUSA MUSA wrote:

In the moment when it happened, I hated the JR heel thing (because I always felt he was RIGHT to hate WWF).  But, looking back on it, his promos as a heel manager were actually *really* good.  Had they actually kept Steve Williams around to push him, having JR as his manager, would've been amazing.  Sadly, that didn't happen and it went nowhere :(


I think the plan was for Williams to be a mega-heel with JR as his manager, but after Bart Gunn knocked him out for real in the Brawl for All it all but killed his credibility.
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