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    Posted: 23/February/2013 at 10:45
First off, I do apologize for writing this thread so late; I actually suspended Russ about week ago but I never got to write out this thread for much the same reason that kept me away from TUP and eventually lead me to resign my modship in the first place... work and shit in life. It does not escape me that this will be an unpopular decision the way some see it; but I hope that I will provide an adequate explanation, to both other TUPeeps and to HBKDX97 himself, as to just why it was necessary for me to do as I did. 

When Pimpy first brought me into this place three years ago, it was a different TUP with a different atmosphere. Yes, the "money incident" had already taken place; but for the great majority TUP was a place where everybody got along with each other and everybody treated each other with respect. There was no flaming from regulars, there was little to no trolling. Whenever a TUPeep got out of line, they were "released" as Pac-Man put it in his release threads. At that time, a majority of TUPeeps backed up and supported Pac-Man whenever a troublemaker was let go; for they knew the friendly place TUP was would be preserved. 

But the Unprettier Wrestling Forum has changed since then. I am not going to single out anyone else in this thread other than its main subject, and the only reason why I am even discussing HBKDX is to follow the custom of providing an explanation of why he was suspended; but let's just say the level of trolling and borderline attacking of members has increased. Since I became mod, it has been my goal attempt to bring this place back to the friendly, welcoming place it once was. 

But what may even be a greater explanation of why it was necessary for me to suspend HBKDX97 comes from Russ himself. I submit to you a post he made his first year on TUP, in which he made in response to a recent squabble....

Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

I don't want this place to fall, because this is the only place where I can freely discuss my love for this industry without worry or ostracism. I love each and every one of you like brothers and sisters, and when you all fight it reminds me of when my parents were going through their divorce. Every day was a new argument, and it drove the nail deeper and deeper into the heart until it shattered into a million tiny pieces. If we all keep fighting this way, the bond we once had with each other will be shattered irrepairably.


There you have what appears to be a young man with a good, solid head on his shoulders. He states that he appreciates TUP because he can speak what he wants without being "ostracized"; and he also expresses a concern about all of the arguing and bickering, likening it to his parents' divorce. 

Now I present to you some recent posts made by the same person...

(to PSachkovsky) 

Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

Can you please go lay down on a Pakistanian grenade or something?

(Just kidding, of course)

Could you please leave and never come back or something?


(to NS Male) 

Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

Working in a restaurant and working off of tips, the "work more hours" asshole can go suck his own dick.




Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

 
Alright, dick head. This isn't "I can make more money" because I don't  know you. But my pay is INCREDIBLY low. I work nearly 50 hours a week. Don't tell me I need to work more hours if I want to make more money because its the only job I can get. I am in school to better myself and work towards not having to do dishes and clean shit off of toilets and pick up napkins that kids have snorted on, and then look at someone and say "Yes ma'am, I can get you that as soon as possible with a smile on my face. I am not ENTITLED to tips, nor is anyone REQUIRED to tip. Because that would just be a hassle, especially if the service is bad. But if there is a chance to help someone who has done well by you and not greased up your food with their sweaty palms or contaminated the meal, don't you think it'd be less prattish of yourself to say "Here's a chance for me to do good by someone" instead of "Go work more than you are already, maybe your $7.50 an hour won't feel as bad". I'm in school, and working. Don't even begin to look down on me or anyone else in my position. Don't begin to think you are better than us. Because you and your withheld pennies and dimes are pretty much irrelevant in the long run, but could make someone else's day that much better. 


[ABUSIVE REMARKS REMOVED - point can be made with out language like that - Joe] I will NOT lay down while people like you look down on ANYONE who has to work through a situation like that without you ever having to go through it yourself. 


Originally posted by HBKDX97 HBKDX97 wrote:

Good for you for working three jobs. I'm happy to know that you've actually done something besides ride off of your parent's coattails and mooch money from them. But I do not appreciate and did not appreciate the tone and general shit-spewing that came from you. 

When you question me and make me seem like "How can I make more money" and then snarkily call me "Mr I Service the Pubic... Erm Public" I think you give up the right to be "respectful". I treated you accordingly. Don't try and back away from it now, little man. You take shots at me, you'll get'em right back. 

The fact that you don't receive tips in your jobs is unfortunate, because I might think that you deserve them. But the fact that you would question someone else and judge them by your own stinginess is more than a little disrespectful. 

As for the "can you respond anyway besides this trash" comment, then you would know (if you actually mattered here) that I am generally very respectful and normally better at debating and passively/ calmly stating my views. But YOU sir have succeeded in offending me to beyond that point, because of the immaturity you have displayed. "I never got tips so I'll tell others to work more hours instead of leaving a small tip"? Give me a fucking break. What a pathetic excuse to be stingy and egotistical. 

It might be hard for you, but try to realize that you are no sun. The world as we know it does not revolve around you. You are an ant, a tiny ant on this gigantic anthill we call Earth. And Earth is teeming with, you guessed it, more ants. Some much more important than yourself, some less. Hell, I might be one of the lesser ones. But that shouldn't stop you from caring more about others than "No tip for me, no tip for you .

Asshole.


And keep in mind that the above was AFTER Joe edited out some of HBKDX's comments. The original lines were much worse. 

But in short, you have a board member who readily engages in name calling (against rule #4), is overly harsh on others, and participates in the very same type of "ostracizing" he expressed a concern about two years earlier. 

All of that, in addition to things said within pm's to members. Keep in mind HBKDX recently came off another suspension that was initially a week after he told IDIOTdella to leave the boards. I have explained numerous times before that attempts to rid the forum of a member harms the forum and would not be allowed; and I completely stand by that. However, I was gracious enough to lessen that suspension upon his apology to della, which Russ did, so he was immediately reinstated. But that incident still counted as a strike against him in the totaling up of his offenses.  Russ went on to use my giving him a second chance as an opportunity attack me when he came back. 

I am aware of the fact that I have announced my resignation as mod; but my replacement has not yet been named and I still am a mod as of this writing. I couldn't care less if Adders and Joe name a new mod later today. But as long as I am moderator I will take my duties seriously and do what I feel is necessary in order to maintain a reasonable level of order and bring this place to the standard I described above that it once was at. HBKDX97's recent behavior as outlined above will not be tolerated under my watch. I do not enjoy suspending anybody, but I am compelled to do what I think is best for the forum. I don't want to suspend anybody, but I feel as if I have to at times. 

That all being said, I have decided to suspend HBKDX97 for the period of one month, including retroactive time of suspension before this was posted... which means he would be eligible to return on March 17, 2013. However, as he recently pulled a Shizzle and attempted to return under a sockpuppet account (something he is well aware is against the rules) I am considering expending his suspension. That I shall take under advisement. 

Once again, I am aware of the fact that this will be an unpopular decision the way some see it, that I will be called every name in the book, and that I will be labeled as a dictator for being responsible and doing what I think is right. The truth is I don't care. I hope I have adequately succeeded in explaining the reasons for my actions; and I stand by them 100%.  


Edited by Kondor - 23/February/2013 at 10:54

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Shit just got real
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Heel summed it up. This site should just be about wrestling talk (among other things of course), not trashing on others peoples personal lives. Doesn't matter if you've been here for years or your just a newcomer, this shit just shouldn't occur and its shame that it has to come to stuff like this.

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So he over stepped the mark/broke the rules then make a sock puppet account bar knowing the rule? Well you can't show favouritism for regular members so rightly so. 

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Yeah, it hasn't happened to me personally and I don't intend to start anything but I've seen NS Male and PSachkovsky seem to get under alot of peoples skin for some reason since I've been here. I guess it was just a case of Russ should've being the bigger man.

Anyway, maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, as I really don't know the full story of whats going on. 
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A month is way too harsh and I don't expect him to come back if thats the case.

Dumb though seeing as he should of known PM's would get him b&.
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

A month is way too harsh and I don't expect him to come back if thats the case.

I am assuming there is some kind of layout as to how long to suspend people for given various circumstances.

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Originally posted by Baz Baz wrote:

Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

A month is way too harsh and I don't expect him to come back if thats the case.

I am assuming there is some kind of layout as to how long to suspend people for given various circumstances.

There is; and I laid it all out with Adders and Joe a while back. HBK's last suspension was a week; seeing how this is his second, hence why it's a month. 

And JTB, if he's desperate enough to make a sockpuppet account and try to come back he'll be back. I hope it's as the productive TUPeep who shared his knowledge of the game and was kind and courteous to everyone instead of what we see here. 

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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

And JTB, if he's desperate enough to make a sockpuppet account and try to come back he'll be back. I hope it's as the productive TUPeep who shared his knowledge of the game and was kind and courteous to everyone instead of what we see here. 



You've been here long enough to know thats prol not gonna happen.

I'd say it's more likely there will be a sob story thread whining about the injustice and a bunch of Raven posts calling you a nazi dictator mod. You'll be glad you aren't mod soon.
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Yeah, as I said in my initial post I expect such. Like I said, I'm just stating what would be best . As for any attacks on me that may come, I can take it. There will always be immature childish whining by some just like you said. 

Edited by Kondor - 23/February/2013 at 12:43

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