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    Posted: 22/May/2018 at 13:28
Quote According to a report at PW Insider, with the move by WWE to combine both Raw and Smackdown brands for all PPVs moving forward, the company is also lengthening the duration of the PPVs to accomodate the extra talent that will be wrestling at the events.

-- The report adds that WWE has apparently reached out to its international broadcast partners to inform them that starting next month with Money in the Bank, the start time for each event will be 7 PM ET / 4 PM PT, with the Kick Off Show starting an hour earlier. The run time for the PPVs will also be at least four hours while the more important shows like WrestleMania and SummerSlam will obviously run longer.

Yesssssssss wonderfulllllllll. Not that basic run of the mill events will be at least an extra hour, but because they will start an hour earlier!!!!
 
Now they start at midnight not 1 am UK time, it's slightly more accomodating for their European fanbase.
 
For those who buy a ticket to the show they know they can get home to bed sooner for work/college/uni/school the next day. Good decision by E.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

at least an extra hour,

When the "dual branded" pay per views were announced; there was concern about how well the WWE would be capable of rotating the talent among pay per view appearances to give them a fair chance at such exposure. But as some others in various threads have pointed out, it's always the titleholders and the same people who get pay per view appearances. 

If you look at the Backlash line up earlier this month, it's Intercontinental Championship match, Raw Women's Championship, United States Championship, Smackdown Women's Championship, WWE World Championship, and matches involving other super major stars like Braun Strowman, D Bry, and Roman Reigns. If you're not currently in a Title feud or feuding with a Roman Reigns, it's slim chances to get on a pay per view. 

But hopefully with pay per views having another hour, the pay per view appearances for overlooked talent might be increased. 

This of course is all a diatribe on WWE's incompetence; not a defense of the alleged brand split.  

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but because they will start an hour earlier!!!!
 
Now they start at midnight not 1 am UK time, it's slightly more accomodating for their European fanbase.
 
For those who buy a ticket to the show they know they can get home to bed sooner for work/college/uni/school the next day. Good decision by E.

I would agree that the earlier start time would make it easier on the fan. Some people love wrestling enough to stay up late to watch it, or be at a viewing party/host a party; but it would be a plus to not have to.  


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The problem is they still have their programming backwards. On a 3 hour television show they make it all about the same 10 people, but on a PPV they try and fit as many people on the show as possible. It should be reversed for the most part. A TV show has several episodes to build to a PPV and they should fit as much talent on those shows as possible so as to help build new stars, meanwhile the PPVs show the cream of the crop in matches that mean something and aren't limited for time.

A segment with Elias should not be on a PPV where everyone with a musical act comes out to interrupt him, that should be saved for Raw. A match where Bobby Roode and Elias do a double turn however is a perfect midcard showing for a PPV.

4 hours is fine, but if they continue to fill it with stupid crap they should be seeing on Raw, then it just gets to be more like a bonus episode of Raw/Smackdown and nothing really special. Give the matches you put on PPV some time so you can tell good stories without feeling rushed. WrestleMania could have been pretty great this last year, the card looked fine. But it actually would have been better had the thing cut a few matches and given the remaining matches more time to develop and heat up and build to a better finish. 
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The problem is they still have their programming backwards. On a 3 hour television show they make it all about the same 10 people, but on a PPV they try and fit as many people on the show as possible. It should be reversed for the most part. A TV show has several episodes to build to a PPV and they should fit as much talent on those shows as possible so as to help build new stars, meanwhile the PPVs show the cream of the crop in matches that mean something and aren't limited for time.

This is a good point. As you eluded to they also tend to feature the same people on Raw and Smackdown all the time, but they are not as bad as far as the same talent all the time as they are at pay per views. Your general premise that pay per views should be for "the cream of the crop" is right; but I still say some lesser seen talent should get a pay per view appearance every now and then.   

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

A segment with Elias should not be on a PPV

That's because Elias shouldn't be on television in the first place. 

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I agree they should, I just don't want to see it as a bit of pandering or a socialist way of sharing the time and giving people mush instead of something actually good. When someone new shows up on the PPV I want the match to hang with the rest, not be a bathroom break.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I agree they should, I just don't want to see it as a bit of pandering or a socialist way of sharing the time and giving people mush instead of something actually good. When someone new shows up on the PPV I want the match to hang with the rest, not be a bathroom break.

Fair point but then again, and of course this is a matter of personal preference, but if a performer presents "mush"on a pay per view (on a regular basis) then the question becomes should they be on the roster in the first place. No matter who we individually like or don't like; I am sure you agree that not even Raw or Smackdown should have "mush."

And when I preferred pay per view appearances to be rotating, I wasn't thinking of some "socialist" concept where every wrestler gets a piece of the pie. Rather, my perspective was that it would be nice for the fans to see different people every now and then. I apologize for not clarifying that. 

Plus I have a larger point that untapped talent exists that the WWE underutilizes. I am sure all of us can think of cases where "such and such is underrated and could be doing so much more," even if who these people are differs in each of us.     


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I had a feeling this was coming.

I don’t mind PPV’s only featuring top stars, I mean do I really care if Breezango and R-Truth don’t wrestle on PPV and only feature on tv, of course not.

Every PPV match should feel important, the single brand shows often felt like a extended episode of Raw and Smackdown and I’m glad they have moved away from that. PPV’s should be all about titles and key feuds, as some have said daft throwaway segments like a bunch of mid-carders dancing with No Way Jose while Elias tries to play guitar in the ring have no business being on a PPV.
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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I agree they should, I just don't want to see it as a bit of pandering or a socialist way of sharing the time and giving people mush instead of something actually good. When someone new shows up on the PPV I want the match to hang with the rest, not be a bathroom break.


Fair point but then again, and of course this is a matter of personal preference, but if a performer presents "mush"on a pay per view (on a regular basis) then the question becomes should they be on the roster in the first place. No matter who we individually like or don't like; I am sure you agree that not even Raw or Smackdown should have "mush."

I agree, but that's not also reality either, however much it should.

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And when I preferred pay per view appearances to be rotating, I wasn't thinking of some "socialist" concept where every wrestler gets a piece of the pie. Rather, my perspective was that it would be nice for the fans to see different people every now and then. I apologize for not clarifying that. 

No, I know. I'm just once again going by what we have been given in recent years. Raw should more or less be given that kind of treatment however because why pay all that money for someone to not appear on your shows and get a chance to draw bigger numbers for you? But a PPV should be fo those who have already proven themselves.
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Plus I have a larger point that untapped talent exists that the WWE underutilizes. I am sure all of us can think of cases where "such and such is underrated and could be doing so much more," even if who these people are differs in each of us.     




Hense putting them on Raw or SmackDown more frequently.
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Dont really think PPVs need to be 4 hours minimum - they cant even get a consistently good show when its 3 hours so for me these are just going to be crammed with needless or really short matches just to get more people on the card
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To my knowledge this hasn't actually happened yet. We know Money in the Bank is going 4 hours because it's now one of the big 5. PWInsider's report only states that WWE has sounded out companies about having their PPVs start an hour earlier. There was no mention of longer shows being part of that.

It could be a move to ensure that kids can stay and celebrate when Roman Reigns beats Jinder Mahal in the obvious main event to the next big show instead of having to rush home and get to bed.
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