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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

First of all i apologise for the double post but I just had to

I need to retract every bad thing I’ve ever said about Finn Balor !!

After what Rico etc said, I thought I’d go on the Network and watch some of his matches , looked at a few things on YouTube but the biggest factor was the episode of WWE 24 on the network.

From all the stuff I watched from his NXT days and stuff pre WWE I fully understand what all the hype is about. He is a tremendous wrestler and is far more charismatic than I ever thought

The thing that really made me realise just what sort of guy he is was on the episode of WWE24. The way he handled his injury and the work he put into the recovery - just everything about it is what a true athlete should do and it was quite an inspiring story.

It’s quite sad that he missed Mania even though he was cleared to come back but his return on Raw the night after was worth the wait.

I’m watching his match with Neville from NXT in March 2016 and will probably watch many more.

I know Fletch - you were of the same opinion as me so I seriously recommend you watch his WWE24 episode it will definitely help you understand his appear and change your opinion of him



Just watched it. Have to say it was a nice inspiring comeback tale and covered the whole boyhood dream stuff and all that but it still hasn't completely sold me on Finn Balor. WWE are very good at putting these inspirational stories together and adding lots of WWE gloss, I know it sounds negative but I always question how much of it is genuine, I mean Finn isn't going to sit there in front of WWE cameras and slate Seth Rollins for recklessly injuring him or express his anger in missing out on a Wrestlemania pay day when he was medically cleared to work. They will always put a positive spin on everything.

I saw much of Balor's NXT stuff and the guy is a good worker no question but I don't know he just doesn't dazzle me in the way he does others, was the same with Daniel Bryan I wasn't impressed with him either, sorry but doing a million kicks one after the other and shouting yes and preaching your hippy vegan lifestyle isn't going to get you over with me.

I'm all for a Balor heel turn as it does seem this is the role he feels more natural in, and I hope they expand on the Balor Club as there are so many potential members who would benefit from the association right now.
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Network specials are the new kayfabe.

I do think Balor's heel turn has added a lot to his character. The man couldn't cut a promo beforehand and he had barely any actual character to him. This will hopefully be onwards and upwards. They've built him slow over a couple of weeks and given the club a big win.

Of course what they do with them next is the big test. Cool heels aren't a new thing in WWE like they were in New Japan.
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Originally posted by Tom Colohue Tom Colohue wrote:

Network specials are the new kayfabe.

I do think Balor's heel turn has added a lot to his character. The man couldn't cut a promo beforehand and he had barely any actual character to him. This will hopefully be onwards and upwards. They've built him slow over a couple of weeks and given the club a big win.

Of course what they do with them next is the big test. Cool heels aren't a new thing in WWE like they were in New Japan.


Has he turned heel? They displayed a few heelish traits on Raw this week but I think they were still working as babyfaces.
I wonder if this may be building to a Wrestlemania match, maybe Jordan, Rollins and Angle vs The Balor Club, gets all six men on the card and protects Kurt and it could be the setting where Jordan officially turns heel.
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And in NJPW he wasn't a "Cool heel," he was just a heel. Anderson and Gallows had a lot to do with it turning cool. 

The original concept was just them as badass foreigners....
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And that seems to be the way it's going again. I don't think it's a heel turn per say but people are way too obsessed with the turn part recently. You're a heel when you're a heel, not when you attack a popular face. You don't need a big turn moment; be subtle.

Smackdown is most subtle heel/face right now, so this kind of supports my hope that he'll be moving there.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

First of all i apologise for the double post but I just had to

I need to retract every bad thing I’ve ever said about Finn Balor !!

After what Rico etc said, I thought I’d go on the Network and watch some of his matches , looked at a few things on YouTube but the biggest factor was the episode of WWE 24 on the network.

From all the stuff I watched from his NXT days and stuff pre WWE I fully understand what all the hype is about. He is a tremendous wrestler and is far more charismatic than I ever thought

The thing that really made me realise just what sort of guy he is was on the episode of WWE24. The way he handled his injury and the work he put into the recovery - just everything about it is what a true athlete should do and it was quite an inspiring story.

It’s quite sad that he missed Mania even though he was cleared to come back but his return on Raw the night after was worth the wait.

I’m watching his match with Neville from NXT in March 2016 and will probably watch many more.

I know Fletch - you were of the same opinion as me so I seriously recommend you watch his WWE24 episode it will definitely help you understand his appear and change your opinion of him



Just watched it. Have to say it was a nice inspiring comeback tale and covered the whole boyhood dream stuff and all that but it still hasn't completely sold me on Finn Balor. WWE are very good at putting these inspirational stories together and adding lots of WWE gloss, I know it sounds negative but I always question how much of it is genuine, I mean Finn isn't going to sit there in front of WWE cameras and slate Seth Rollins for recklessly injuring him or express his anger in missing out on a Wrestlemania pay day when he was medically cleared to work. They will always put a positive spin on everything.

I saw much of Balor's NXT stuff and the guy is a good worker no question but I don't know he just doesn't dazzle me in the way he does others, was the same with Daniel Bryan I wasn't impressed with him either, sorry but doing a million kicks one after the other and shouting yes and preaching your hippy vegan lifestyle isn't going to get you over with me.

I'm all for a Balor heel turn as it does seem this is the role he feels more natural in, and I hope they expand on the Balor Club as there are so many potential members who would benefit from the association right now.

That's the biggest tragedy so far of Balor's career, the injury. 

I look at wrestling from a historical perspective. I don't know how long the Universal Championship will be around (my thoughts on the brand extension is another story;) but Balor will always be the first ever WWE Universal Champion just as Buddy Rogers will always be the first ever W/WWF/E World Champion and Pat Patterson will always be the first ever WWF Intercontinental Champion. That's a permanent mark in history. We can speculate what would have happened without the injury and wonder how long he would have been the titleholder. But it's obvious to everyone that Balor could have had a tremendous Universal Title reign over that autumn of 2016 until who knows how long, as well as that WrestleMania appearance that likely would have been a singles match and could have been a classic. I think Kevin Owens ended up doing a lot to bring prestige to the belt in his run; but it could have been Balor in that role. 

Concerning Balor in the ring, I agree with #Heel. Balor is one of the best and most entertaining stars in WWE in recent years. He is technically sound, highly athletic, and agile. 

Concerning what he is currently doing in the glimpses of Raw I caught, I would consider him to be a "bad guy" now. I don't mind him being a leader of a faction, and I get how that could elevate his standing and overall career. But I personally would prefer someone of his talent to focus in singles matches as opposed to six man tags. Then again many said the same about Big E. Langston and Kofi Kingston when New Day first formed. It's hard to predict how long the Balor Club will be together. My best guess/gut instinct is that Balor will mostly perform in singles over the next couple of years, as he is too good. But the Club will continue in the form of a loose association. 


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So with the DX reunion, X-Pac, Scott Hall and one would assume Kevin Nash would have all 3 represented the nWo, and then after that the Balor Club ALL being lumped together (rightfully so, too) it got my mind working.

Following the match, while everyone was hitting their finishers, you could see Triple H was supposed to be the last guy to do so. But when he dropped Wilder (or was it Dawson? I still can't remember who is who) you could see Trips get in his ear and say something, after which Wilder lines up to take a splash off the top rope. Then Trips grabs Balor and tells him to do his finisher off the top.

TBH, I think perhaps Triple H was supposed to be the last guy to do his finisher but he called an audible to help put Balor over. Again, after Trips was left hanging with the too sweet, which was hilarious and he tried to cover it up when everyone gave a too sweet to the crowd and he threw his other hand up. After that, he grabbed Balor and stepped to the ring ropes on the hard camera side so he and Balor were front and center and raised his hand in victory even though Balor wasn't even in the match.

Now, over in Brooklyn, the show was run by Vince and friends, but over at the Manhattan Center, obviously that was Triple H running the show. The fact that Triple H made a point of putting over Balor the way he did just shows that for whatever Balors standing may be among the management, Balor is definitely a Triple H guy.

Beyond that, I'm kinda wondering if there is an outside chance of Balor winning the Rumble and Strowman winning the title. I haven't looked far enough in advance to see what is going on with the February PPV. Is it a Raw Elimination Chamber? If so then both Strowman winning as well as Balor winning seems too convoluted, and it makes WWE sense to just go with Nakamura for the win.

However Balor could still win, and say he wants to challenge a guy he has already beaten to win the title he hasn't yet won in AJ Styles for the wwe championship, which is the more prestigious title anyway.

No matter what goes down though after what I have seen tonight I think there is a very strong possibility that Balor will be in a major singles matchup come WrestleMania. Likely one of the main events.

Next week I will break the roster down by who is likely to be in a singles match, who is going to be in a clusterfuck, and who won't be on the card and that'll help me wrap my head around the most likely matches for Mania. But right now I think Balor is headed for the main event scene once again.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

So with the DX reunion, X-Pac, Scott Hall and one would assume Kevin Nash would have all 3 represented the nWo, and then after that the Balor Club ALL being lumped together (rightfully so, too) it got my mind working.

Following the match, while everyone was hitting their finishers, you could see Triple H was supposed to be the last guy to do so. But when he dropped Wilder (or was it Dawson? I still can't remember who is who) you could see Trips get in his ear and say something, after which Wilder lines up to take a splash off the top rope. Then Trips grabs Balor and tells him to do his finisher off the top.

TBH, I think perhaps Triple H was supposed to be the last guy to do his finisher but he called an audible to help put Balor over. Again, after Trips was left hanging with the too sweet, which was hilarious and he tried to cover it up when everyone gave a too sweet to the crowd and he threw his other hand up. After that, he grabbed Balor and stepped to the ring ropes on the hard camera side so he and Balor were front and center and raised his hand in victory even though Balor wasn't even in the match.

Now, over in Brooklyn, the show was run by Vince and friends, but over at the Manhattan Center, obviously that was Triple H running the show. The fact that Triple H made a point of putting over Balor the way he did just shows that for whatever Balors standing may be among the management, Balor is definitely a Triple H guy.

See this post epitomizes the difference between the way you and I watch wrestling. I "suspend disbelief" as they say and watch it all within the storyline "reality" of "these two wrestlers don't like each other" or in this case "these two factions don't like each other;" whereas you notice behind the scenes moments like an audible called during a segment. You notice the things I don't want to notice, at least when I am watching something taking place in the ring.  

But that being said, I agree with your assessment. NXT is another place where Hunter is in charge and he has had many pet projects since. When they come up to the main roster Trips wants them to succeed. Fin Balor is one of his favorites, you can tell, and I agree he was (successfully) looking to get him over.  That was a good spot for it to happen in the midst of all the nostalgia with DeGeneration X and friends in the ring.  

And I take back everything I said above earlier on in this thread about Balor turning heel. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

No matter what goes down though after what I have seen tonight I think there is a very strong possibility that Balor will be in a major singles matchup come WrestleMania. Likely one of the main events.

Next week I will break the roster down by who is likely to be in a singles match, who is going to be in a clusterfuck, and who won't be on the card and that'll help me wrap my head around the most likely matches for Mania. But right now I think Balor is headed for the main event scene once again.

Oh, back in the day when I would do more or less the same thing in my series of annual super long threads. Only mine were based on who I wanted to see as opposed to what I thought would happen (another difference in the approach between me and you.) I would also go through people who could potentially be on the roster at WrestleMania time.   

Oh the memories... 





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It did make me think about if they could work some sort of Clique association into the Balor Club, like have Nash or someone become part of the group in a non-wrestling role to fully endorse them as the modern day Clique.

Just a thought, I would really prefer to see the Club grow in to a NWO style super-group.
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He already was kind of a member of the bullet club, back when they were called aces and eights or whatever, right? I mean isn't that the evolution of the whole nWo-bullet club thing?
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