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    Posted: 12/January/2018 at 19:04
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

...I personally would prefer someone of his talent to focus in singles matches as opposed to six man tags. Then again many said the same about Big E. Langston and Kofi Kingston when New Day first formed. It's hard to predict how long the Balor Club will be together. My best guess/gut instinct is that Balor will mostly perform in singles over the next couple of years, as he is too good. But the Club will continue in the form of a loose association.

So I was reading the Finn Balor thread (see the quote above), as well as a few other threads around here involving guys in the Shield, and of course there's also the mention of New Day. It got me thinking about WWF circa 1997.

Now, I really did NOT like 1997's WWF specifically because of all the gang warfare that was rampant at the time with the Hart Foundation, Disciples of Apocalypse, Los Boricuas, Degeneration X, etc., but I have heard numerous fans throughout the years talk about that time fondly and get nostalgic about how things used to be.

So it makes me wonder... What are your guys thoughts about the faction warfare from 1997?

Do you think it could be done more or less successfully today than it was back then?

If they were to do it again now, how would the women factor into things? Sanity already has Nikki Cross as a female representative, might we see more female representatives of other factions that are currently using only men? Shield? New Day? Balor Club? (*coughDeebcough*)  What about Absolution getting a male member (no pun intended, Paige)?

Do you think we might see an old faction or two come back if they were to do this? WWE's website has run articles about this very thing numerous times flaunting ideas like John Cena in the nWo, and Dolph Ziggler in a new Four Horsemen, etc. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2018 at 19:24
I always thought if WWE did another NWO reboot it would have been amazing to see Cena turn heel to lead the group(much like Hogan did) and his core members would be Orton and maybe someone like Ziggler, but I think the NWO ship has sailed now.

I would love to see a larger Bullet/Balor Club like the Japanese version. Take Balor, Gallows and Anderson and have them recruit some NXT guys, the Undisputed Era would be a great choice and maybe guys like Roderick Strong and Kassius Ohno. Neville, Nakamura and Cesaro would fit well too.

Then you have smaller groups like The Shield, Sanity and New Day. I always thought for a while Triple H may reboot Evolution, this time you would have Trips in Flairs old role as the mentor recruiting three new members.
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Actually, Evolution wouldn't be bad. You could involve Randy Orton and slot him into the former HHH role too. IE the main event player in his prime on top of the WWE with the other two being the new Orton and Batista guys, the main event players of tomorrow. Hell it'd be just about perfectly rounded out just by including Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens in those spots.

The questions remain though:

Do you think they should?

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Do you think it would be better or worse than in '97 and why?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2018 at 20:44
Well as the guy whose quote from the Fin Balor thread spawned this thread I suppose I should chime in with my opinion. Tongue

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:


Now, I really did NOT like 1997's WWF specifically because of all the gang warfare that was rampant at the time with the Hart Foundation, Disciples of Apocalypse, Los Boricuas, Degeneration X, etc., but I have heard numerous fans throughout the years talk about that time fondly and get nostalgic about how things used to be.

So it makes me wonder... What are your guys thoughts about the faction warfare from 1997?

The answer is I loved about half of it in 1997. To me it is not about faction warfare per se but who the teams are made up of and who is in it. The Hart Foundation vs DeGeneration X rivalry I loved. I loved Bret Hart and was ecstatic when the Hart Family feud ended and the Hart Foundation got back together. I hated Shawn Michaels (as far as who I rooted against, not as a performer) and thus hated the lot of DX. But Shawn was just as great at speaking as he was in the ring, and I absolutely loved the entire rivalry. Plus, the fact that they were a part of factions didn't stop Bret and Shawn from competing in singles matches. 

But as for the weaker groups, I didn't care for them for much the same reason I didn't care for their members in singles competition. I never thought much of any Los Boriquas member besides Savio Vega, and likewise never thought much of the Disciples of Apocalypse in any form, even when they were the Blu Brothers.  

So I loved the concept but it had to depend on the faction members. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Do you think it could be done more or less successfully today than it was back then?

If they were to do it again now, how would the women factor into things? Sanity already has Nikki Cross as a female representative, might we see more female representatives of other factions that are currently using only men? Shield? New Day? Balor Club? (*coughDeebcough*)  What about Absolution getting a male member (no pun intended, Paige)?

This is where Ambrose's injury hurts this concept as it may be applied today, as the Shield would clearly be the head faction anywhere. I also think the existence of this farce of a "brand extension" hurts this cause, as the WWE powers that be in the creative team would have to either focus on putting all factions on one "brand", try to spread the talent around and focus on factions in two shows, or do what they did before the Survivor Series and have them attack each others across shows making the alleged "brand extension" even more meaningless and proving my point. 

That all being said, to go with what I said concerning 1997 it depends who's in each group. The remaining Shield members have an alliance with Jason Jordan (and loosely Kurt Angle), there is the Balor Club, and of course the New Day. There is also the Miztourage. The Wyatt Family is done, but I might not object to Bray Wyatt coming up with a new stable to lead, possible of whatever NXT guys would best match. I do like what Harper and Rowan are doing as a tag team so I do not want to disturb that. But I do think Adam Cole is more than capable of leading a group as proven elsewhere. 

To answer your question about how the women would play a part, I have to say I really do like Paige's group. I suppose I'm the only one who wants to see the Horsewomen form an actual faction to combat them. But yes I am open to a man in Paige's faction. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Do you think we might see an old faction or two come back if they were to do this? WWE's website has run articles about this very thing numerous times flaunting ideas like John Cena in the nWo, and Dolph Ziggler in a new Four Horsemen, etc. 

The only way I would recommend an outright return of a classic faction is if there is at least one member involved from the original group. I would have no problem with Ric Flair leading a new version of the Horsemen that is called the Four Horsemen. 

We all know a Cena heel turn has been talked about and teased for ages. If he were to actually turn, I think he could carry that momentum solo; and that would be a better option than making him into Hollywood Hogan 2.0.  

So, to actually answer your questions... 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Do you think they should?

and

Do you think it would be better or worse than in '97 and why?

Yes I think they should as said a lot of factions are already in place; but I also think they should scrap the brand split (which yes I know is a whole other thread) to increase the size of the battlefield. 

It would be worse than 1997, as they are unlikely to do just that. Yet it would certainly still be worth watching. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote L-shizzel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12/January/2018 at 22:29
If you were to make a brand new faction and not rehash one of the old ones I think that would be fine but if you were to have an Evolution like stable then that is simple 



The part timer or past big time superstar - John Cena 


The current big dog- Seth Rollins 


The Up and comers- Pete Dunne and Drew Mctinyre 



this is just an example I'm not saying throw these 4 together but something like this could work out well provided we don't have a Triple H situation where he hogged the world title from 2002 to 2005 with only small breaks in between to  his buddy HBK, Goldberg, Randy Orton and Chis Benoit.
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So I was watching some footage from 2015 (increasingly getting to be one of my favorite years in WWE) around the time the "divas revolution" started and seeing all the factions of women wrestlers around the time reminded me of this thread. Paige lead PCB of herself, Charlotte, & Becky Lynch (right when Becky was first called up), and they were briefly renamed the Submission Sorority. Then there was team B.A.D. with Sasha Banks, Tamina Snuka, and Naomi. The Bellas had Team Bella with Brie, Nikki, and Alicia Fox.  They were all feuding with each other around the summer of 2015. 

Even though Charlotte and Sasha broke out on their own in singles success shortly thereafter I wish some of these female factions would have lasted longer. It seemed to be a way to introduce some of the newcomers to the main WWE audience but to me the group warfare was entertaining. It seemed to be defined feuds where you knew who was on what side and who their enemies were; as opposed the next two years where all the women would be thrown together in scrambles and feud with all the others. 

This was also during a time there was no brand split so the feuds could sift from show to show (like what hinders a feud between Absolution and the Riot Squad today. And yes I know that somebody will come on and say that they deliberately put the two main girl groups on different shows.)  Although there does seem to be a minor alliance on Smackdown between Charlotte, Becky, and Naomi to counter the Riot Squad. 

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Paige, Charlotte & Becky were originally named the Submission Sorority until they found out via social media backlash that Submission Sorority was the name of a porn site which got HUGE traffic following PCB's debut on Raw. One story I remember reading said the website admins sent WWE flowers and a thank you note.
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