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    Posted: 13/January/2018 at 01:42
Ok I watched Wrestle Kingdom 12 it was Amazing real good stuff!!! But I watch Raw this week and the Jason Jordan with Roman and Seth kind of made me want to barf in my mouth!!! Thank god for Ballor, Gallows and Anderson because that was the only decent thing going on with the main story line! The Miz attack was ok if they due end up taking the IC title off so a Roman can win the rumble and go on to WrestleMania (boooooring rather see Ballor) I hope it ends up going on someone else like Soma Joe if he isn’t out too long with his injury! SmackDown actually was better but not by a lot!!! So my point is it me or dose WWE feel week was it just this week or has it been right along ORR Is it because I watched WrestleKingdom and it gives me goosebumps and that Nostalgic feel of the Attitude Era? I don’t know but I look forward to watching more NJPW and some ROH! I mean I’m a total mark, Jericho working this match roped me right in and I’m glad it did!
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Originally posted by P-Leo86 P-Leo86 wrote:

Ok I watched Wrestle Kingdom 12 it was Amazing real good stuff!!! But I watch Raw this week and the Jason Jordan with Roman and Seth kind of made me want to barf in my mouth!!! Thank god for Ballor, Gallows and Anderson because that was the only decent thing going on with the main story line! The Miz attack was ok if they due end up taking the IC title off so a Roman can win the rumble and go on to WrestleMania (boooooring rather see Ballor) I hope it ends up going on someone else like Soma Joe if he isn’t out too long with his injury! SmackDown actually was better but not by a lot!!! So my point is it me or dose WWE feel week was it just this week or has it been right along ORR Is it because I watched WrestleKingdom and it gives me goosebumps and that Nostalgic feel of the Attitude Era? I don’t know but I look forward to watching more NJPW and some ROH! I mean I’m a total mark, Jericho working this match roped me right in and I’m glad it did!

Wrestle Kingdom will have felt fresh to fans because for many it was the first time they had ever seen the product and Jericho brainwashed his fanbase hyping it like crazy, who bought into it.

Raw/Smackdown both had more good elements than bad, as shows I watch every week.

If due to that one New Japan show people start watching it as regular as E programming, it won't be long before it's bashed as much as Raw and Smackdown get.
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No WWE is it's own style of programming much like NJPW neither are going to be the same nor will they ever be.

In regards to the royal rumble there's no way to predict who could win the event no one has been a stand out not even Roman Reigns if anything the two that look like winning are Finn Balor and Shinskue Nakumara.

I hate to be a nitpicker but do you think space out your stuff a bit it was very hard to read and that's coming from someone who's not the best in grammar himself.
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Wrestle Kingdom didn't appeal to me as I've watched a few bits of Japanese wrestling in the past and I wasn't amazed with what I saw. Nothing wrong with it just nothing stood out to make me think it was a decent alternative to WWE.

A alternative to WWE for me needs to be a very different product, much like how ECW was to WWE and WCW back in the day, I don't have the time or interest in watching more of the same just with a few subtle differences. TNA had the chance to be different but decided to just be WWE-lite instead, Lucha Underground have the right idea but at the moment they are too small time, if they can grow I think they could be successful.

Most people are frustrated with the direction of WWE because they play it safe now with a very family orientated direction rather than a more edgy and unpredictable product, but this is sound business as they are doing this to keep sponsors, advertisers and tv networks happy, not to mention just giving the company a better public image in general. There is still plenty of good about WWE, the thing that bothers me the most about it is the predictability of it and how scripted it all looks, after watching ECW recently on the Network and seeing how their product was all improvised with no scripts at all and then seeing Jason Jordan on Raw nervously trying to remember his lines and not engaging with the audience at all, it really is a different world now.

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NJPW is very different from WWE. They are more like old school WWF in the ring. Or like NXT is today without the jobbers.

That said, WWE is in a horrible slump, but I THINK they are coming out of it. WWE was hurt by the departure of CM Punk and injuries and retirement of Daniel Bryan. They were also hurt by the choice to break up the Shield the way they did. Then they were hurt by the choice to put the belt on an absentee employee in Brock Lesnar. And finally they're just not telling very compelling stories and as of 2017 they aren't even having very good matches on the main roster right either. NXT can only prop of the company so much when it isn't involved in anything the main roster is doing.

This is however the right time to be watching as this is when they finish up all their storylines and bring them to a head before starting new ones the night after Mania. New people start to debut, after pre-determined outcomes of a feud start to get put into play rather than just seeing filler from episode to episode whatever plans they originally had for a long feud finally bare their fruit.

So is it weak? Yes, it has been very poor all last year. Imo it was one of the worst years on record if not the worst, but you never know when it is going to get good again and the only way to tell is to start watching from here until the night after WrestleMania.
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I think NJPW is strong because it does something that WWE as the current cannot do: The manufacture much of their own talent in house. If you look at (my) top 10 WWE wrestlers currently, you'll see how many were made in house: (I'm not counting part times like Cena or Lesner):
 
1. AJ Styles: Impact/WCW/NJPW
2. Seth Rollins: ROH
3. Dean Ambrose: CZW
4. Nakamura: NJPW 
5. Roode: Impact
6. Danial Bryan: Chikara/ROH
7. KO: ROH/PWG
8. Balor: NJPW- Did the whole program even as a young boy. 

These guys usually deliver decent to good matches. 

The exceptions to this, of course is: Miz, Orton, Ziggler, Reigns, I think Wyatts. 

The killing of the territory system and of course WCW has made it so they cannot poach other promotions talent like they did in previous times. For example, of all the major attitude era wrestlers, the only one organically brought up from inside the WWE organization was The Rock. 

So lets compare the top 10 wrestlers in NJPW: 

1. Suzuki- NJPW (Was taught by Gotch as a young boy) 
2. Okada- NJPW 
3. Tanahashi- NJPW 
4. Ibushi- doing Ibushi things
5. SANADA- Wrestle-1 
6. Juice Robinson- NXT (however, did time as a young boy in NJPW dojo)
7. Omega- Canadian indies, FCW, DDT, PWG 
8. Naito- NJPW 
9. Shibata- NJPW
10. Fale- NJPW 

I think in long term development, NJPW has much better booking and storylines. They do a much better job of building their matches in general. I also think, with a few notable exceptions, the training system in NJPW helps to foster longer, less injury prone careers than in the competing WWE product. 


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How on earth can you claim WCW had any part in AJ Styles development?

The guy never came through the Power Plant and was on TV three whole times before the company died.
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First off, the comparisons need to stop between NJPW and WWE. You have 2 different companies with 2 different business models. NJPW's popularity is already getting to the point that people are already criticizing the WM12 booking.

What has put me off WWE is just the sheer overload of the product. I can't dedicate 7 hours to watch every single WWE product every week. So thankful for Hulu so I can just watch the parts I care about.

My main complaints is with Raw. One show being 3 hours long is too much, especially when they're focused on the same handful of guys every week. The over saturation of the product leads to feuds that seemingly never ends. Only so many times one can watch Rollins/Ambrose face Cesaro/Sheamus every week before just skipping it altogether. Why should I care about their PPV match when it's going to be the same one I've seen every week on TV? Lately I've been fast forwarding through Raw than I have actually watching it. Plus listening to Cole shout the same catch phrases over and over again makes me want to puncture my ear drums. Sick of hearing "The Big DOG!" shouted at least 10 times in the 20 minutes Roman is on TV. 
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Originally posted by John The Baptist John The Baptist wrote:

How on earth can you claim WCW had any part in AJ Styles development?

The guy never came through the Power Plant and was on TV three whole times before the company died.


Sorry, I forgot to list NWA wildside and other associated indies. However, it is tangential to the basic point I was trying to make, which was he wasn't a WWE homegrown talent, like a lot of their top stars. 


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Originally posted by xXDemon_DuckXx xXDemon_DuckXx wrote:

First off, the comparisons need to stop between NJPW and WWE. You have 2 different companies with 2 different business models. NJPW's popularity is already getting to the point that people are already criticizing the WM12 booking.

What has put me off WWE is just the sheer overload of the product. I can't dedicate 7 hours to watch every single WWE product every week. So thankful for Hulu so I can just watch the parts I care about.

My main complaints is with Raw. One show being 3 hours long is too much, especially when they're focused on the same handful of guys every week. The over saturation of the product leads to feuds that seemingly never ends. Only so many times one can watch Rollins/Ambrose face Cesaro/Sheamus every week before just skipping it altogether. Why should I care about their PPV match when it's going to be the same one I've seen every week on TV? Lately I've been fast forwarding through Raw than I have actually watching it. Plus listening to Cole shout the same catch phrases over and over again makes me want to puncture my ear drums. Sick of hearing "The Big DOG!" shouted at least 10 times in the 20 minutes Roman is on TV. 


I’ve been saying this for a while, 3 hours of Raw, 2 hours of Smackdown and 1 hour of NXT is just too much weekly programming for the average person to find time for and digest, that’s before you consider the amount of PPV’s and all the Network programming on offer.

WWE really need a best of the week show on the Network which would show highlights of Raw and Smackdown condensed into perhaps a two hour broadcast. That would be ideal for me as I currently find myself skimming through Raw only watching the bits that interest me, I usually do the same with Smackdown or just read a online report of the episode, NXT I look at the line up and only really watch it something catches my eye, I always watch the Takeover events though.

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