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    Posted: 30/July/2019 at 18:38
I read a report recently that Goldberg vs Dolph Ziggler has been pencilled in for Summerslam and at first I thought it was just a rumour with no substance to it, but Ziggler has now name dropped Goldberg in his last 3 or 4 promos so there has to be a angle in place as to why.

Goldberg has gone on record saying that he is embarrassed about his match with The Undertaker in Saudi Arabia and wants at least one more match so his legacy isn't tarnished with the Saudi match as the final memory of Goldberg in a wrestling ring. This is also said to be why Undertaker worked Extreme Rules to try and quickly put a good match down on his record and help erase the memory of the Goldberg match.

Ziggler makes sense as a opponent for Goldberg, hes a standout worker who could carry Goldberg and bump big for the few things Goldberg can still do in the ring, I would guess he will also do the job for Bill as at this point Ziggler is a go to guy when they want a good hand in the ring to do a job for someone.

Of course I woud love to see Ziggler get a win over Big Bill but I don't think that's how this will go down, this match is designed for Goldberg to redeem himself for the failure in Saudi Arabia.

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Quote According to a report from Dave Meltzer of Wrestling Observer Newsletter, some big SummerSlam news yet to have been announced is the in-ring return of Bill Goldberg.
Goldberg is expected to return at “The Biggest Party Of The Summer” to face off against Dolph Ziggler. Currently, WWE is advertising a Ziggler vs. The Miz match for SummerSlam, and building it up on TV as well. However, that match is a red herring. The idea is that Ziggler disrespected the legends by superkicking Shawn Michaels on SmackDown recently.
Ziggler will have the locker room against him, and Goldberg, who Ziggler has been mentioning in passing on every program, will make his return. Meltzer noted this sounds like a Paul Heyman move, as Goldberg is one of the stars Heyman was put in charge of, along with Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey, upon his return.


The online wrestling community are crapping all over this and it will be interesting to see what kind of a reaction Goldberg gets from the crowd on the night.
I think people are being very harsh towards Goldberg, yes he had a terrible match with The Undertaker but was it all his fault? Both men are over 50 years old, it was over 100 degree heat, both men hadn't wrestled in some time Goldberg's last match was 2 years ago, so WWE were at fault for booking the match when all of these concerns must have been very apparent. And this was before you consider Goldberg knocked himself out during the match which was a accident, had that not happened chances are the match would have at least been passable.


It's said Goldberg recently signed a multiple match deal with WWE which was originally planned to be a series of matches with The Undertaker but I'm guessing that plan has been scrapped, so plan B is find alternative match ups for Goldberg.


Ziggler is a smart choice as he can sell and bump big for Goldberg's offence and basically do all the running around while Goldberg can just do the few things he can still do well. I wouldn't expect the match to be long.
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I agree the match between Goldberg and taker was good until the concussion throw in the 100 degree heat what chance did it have. 

If Ziggler gets Goldberg at summerslam then it would be a 2 minute match with the usual spear jackhammer combo that Goldberg will usually do and be done with it I can't see them doing more then that and it's not like Ziggler needs to be protected he's a high ranking jobber these days.
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So the Summerslam match went down as I expected, a quick squash style match and win for Goldberg.

I know people will complain about how Dolph was booked here but this needed to happen to save Goldberg who as I understand is going to be used as a special attraction for a few matches here and there moving forward. Goldberg needed to redeem himself for the awful Saudi Arabia match and it was a smart choice to choose utility guy Dolph as the man to do the job, he sold for Goldberg beautifully bumping big for the spears and he's also small and agile enough that Goldberg was able to hit the jackhammer effectively without any issues.

This quick win and sell job by Dolph helped repair some of the damage done to Goldberg in his match with The Undertaker and he got a good response from the crowd although I heard a few scattered boos for the quick finish. It was smart booking to have Goldberg come back and blast Dolph with a couple more spears post-match so fans didn't feel too short changed. I would have preferred a slightly longer match but I get they wanted to protect Goldberg and restore his star credibility, that was the purpose of this match and there is no real shame for Dolph in being viewed as utility guy, a go to guy that can be used to make someone look good.

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Quote Goldberg vs. Dolph Ziggler: Before the match, Ziggler gets on the mic and cuts the promo. He says legends come and go, but he is here to stay. Ziggler says Goldberg is known not to show up, and everyone knows Goldberg fears Ziggler. Goldberg's music hits, and the WWE Hall of Famer makes his entrance down the hallways and into the ring. The opening bell sounds and Ziggler starts off immediately with two superkicks on Goldberg. Ziggler pins for a two count. Ziggler tells Goldberg to get up, and Goldberg does get up and immediately spears Ziggler. Goldberg picks up Ziggler and hits he Jackhammer for the three count after a short match.

Winner: Goldberg

 - Goldberg poses on the stage after the match, and Ziggler gets a mic in the ring and calls out Goldberg. Ziggler says Goldberg has nothing on him, and that was like getting hit by a baby. Ziggler says Goldberg doesn't have the guts to come back and fight him man to man. Goldberg walks back down to the ring and steps in. Ziggler is still down on the mat. Ziggler gets to his feet and Goldberg spears him down. Goldberg heads to the back while Ziggler is still down on the mat. Ziggler grabs the mic again and says anybody can get lucky twice. Ziggler says he knew Goldberg didn't have the balls to face him man to man, and he never did, that's why he was a laughing stock in this business. Ziggler says he's the best thing going and he will never stay down. This prompts Goldberg to come back out to the ring. Goldberg slaps the mic away from Ziggler and lifts him to his feet again. Goldberg acts like he's going to walk away, but he bounces off the ropes and nails Ziggler with another spear.

Ziggles having to put over a old man so quickly isn't how the business should work.

Goldberg needed the win after showing himself up in Saudi Arabia, but it could have been booked a whole lot better.

It was that shit it wouldn't have been missed hidden away on the pre show.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Ziggles having to put over a old man so quickly isn't how the business should work.


I get that it doesn't seem fair but it is necessary from time to time.

Goldberg is someone who was a top guy and a proven draw, at this stage he still has value and drawing power as a special attraction.
Ziggler has never drawn a dime and at this point in his career is never likely to, some of that can be contributed to poor booking and bad luck with injuries but Ziggler also has to take some blame for not pushing himself to be better. All that said he's had a fairly successful mid-level career holding multiple secondary titles and even a brief World title reign. He's now viewed as a utility guy who can be dropped in anywhere on the card and can be relied upon to have a decent match and make someone else look good, that's not the worst spot to be in.

So point is Goldberg is coming off a match that got a lot of negative feedback which wasn't all completely his fault and some damage control needed to be done, this was it sending him out there with the dependable Ziggler who bumped and sold like a pro.

Its the nature of the business that sometimes somebody has to be fed to a top star.
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For someone who's never drawn a dime, hes has the greatest MITB cash in and probably the most gype out of any MITB winner I can remember. Injuries ruined that and it was downhill ever since.

They should never have asked Goldberg to wrestle Taker - then this wouldn't have been necessary at all 
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Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

hes has the greatest MITB cash in and probably the most gype out of any MITB winner I can remember.

This could be a topic within itself, "greatest cash in ever" even though I have never liked the concept of Money In The Bank in the first place. But as long as it's not Miz. Smile


Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

They should never have asked Goldberg to wrestle Taker - then this wouldn't have been necessary at all 

I actually did see the Super Showdown match between these two. I can't blame the matchmakers, because Taker vs Goldberg has been a dream match for over fifteen years and I was dying to see it going in. It was just a mishap running into the post. 

But I do think Goldberg would have benefited from more recent experience and should have had less ring rust going in; then that mishap might not have happened. Matches longer than a few minutes would have helped.  

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There are a ton of reasons why they were wrong to book The Undertaker vs Goldberg at Super Showdown - two old guys wrestling in 100 degree heat, both men have barely wrestled the past few years, Goldberg has actually clocked less than 20 minutes of ring time total in the past 14 years as far as I know, its also been reported that Goldberg was paid over 1 million dollars for the match. I also don't blame the match makers because I was excited to see this match, it is still a dream match and I'd be excited to see it again in honesty even after the calamity of the first match.
The huge fee Goldberg was paid makes me wonder if the Saudi's demanded this match on the card meaning WWE's hands may have been tied to a extent, its been noted before that the Saudi's do list certain stars and marquee matches that they want to feature at these events.

I stand by what I've said before though, the match was going just fine until Goldberg hit the ring post, a little sluggish sure but it was a once in a lifetime dream match, it was a spectacle, if Goldberg hadn't knocked himself silly I think this match would have been very watchable from start to finish.
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