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Too true. I think they go hand in hand though, because in order to give the midcard guys more time, you'd (hopefully) be taking it from the main event scenes.

Honestly? I would be fine with Ziggler never getting another main event push so long as he got more time per show than he gets now with quality booking and writing.

At the end of the day all I really want to see is Ziggler get that quality writing and strong booking that these days only really comes with a main event push.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LennyComa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2014 at 10:22
Ziggler deserves a Main event push. He has shown he can be a beliveable ME contender and he has the Daniel Bryan Factor which endears him to the fans

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2014 at 11:57
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Too true. I think they go hand in hand though, because in order to give the midcard guys more time, you'd (hopefully) be taking it from the main event scenes.

Honestly? I would be fine with Ziggler never getting another main event push so long as he got more time per show than he gets now with quality booking and writing.

At the end of the day all I really want to see is Ziggler get that quality writing and strong booking that these days only really comes with a main event push.


Your second point is where I see it. Ziggler won't be a top tier main eventer. He'll be a floater guy who they can turn to, much like Big Show is. Get the odd main event storyline here and there then goes back to the higher midcard.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steven Nyte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2014 at 17:23
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Too true. I think they go hand in hand though, because in order to give the midcard guys more time, you'd (hopefully) be taking it from the main event scenes.

Honestly? I would be fine with Ziggler never getting another main event push so long as he got more time per show than he gets now with quality booking and writing.

At the end of the day all I really want to see is Ziggler get that quality writing and strong booking that these days only really comes with a main event push.


Your second point is where I see it. Ziggler won't be a top tier main eventer. He'll be a floater guy who they can turn to, much like Big Show is. Get the odd main event storyline here and there then goes back to the higher midcard.

Jericho-esque, huh? I definately can live with that. I dunno if Dolph can (from what one hears and reads on the interwebz, he´s really driven), but I definately can live with that. I just don´t want to see him jobbed out all the time again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2014 at 17:59
Something like what Jericho was like yeah. You know what you get from the guy so using him to freshen things up a little isn't going to hurt.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2014 at 18:36
I think he deserves a main event push (surprise) however I don't think he should go anywhere near the main event for a couple of months or until Lesnar drops the title

He certainly won't be the one to take the title from him and it won't do him any good being destroyed week after week

He needs to keep working as he is now (upper card just outside of main event status) until he is well established and then feud with the champion - because if he does lose then It won't hurt him as much as it would right now (he's just got to a decent level after over a year of shitty booking)

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The thing is that today WWE doesn't have a mid-card worth STAYING in. It's not like the days when Undertaker went from 1991 when he won his first title, to 1997 when he won it again and was a great mid-card attraction. During that time, Undertaker had storylines that revolved around Yokozuna in a casket match, Mankind in a boiler room brawl, and a face turn when he stopped Jake The Snake Roberts from leveling Savage and Elizabeth with a steel chair. He never got a whiff of the WWE title during that time, and it was fine because he was highly entertaining and those feuds were some of the best of his career despite being mid-card.
 
Savage vs Roberts was a mid-card feud as well, as was Savage vs Steamboat and Savage vs George the Animal Steele.
 
Flair vs Perfect was midcard as was Perfect vs Hitman and Hitman vs Piper.
 
Back in those days midcard feuds were amazing.
 
Lately? Bray Wyatt has made a decent niche for himself in the mid-card, his feud first with Kane was pretty good, then again with Bryan, Cena wasn't bad at all despite people complaining about how he was "buried" and (obviously he wasn't, because) now again with Ambrose.
 
The only problem at all I've had with Bray Wyatt's run in the mid-card is that he hasn't been holding the US title for a good 90% of it.
 
Dolph Ziggler would be perfect as a mid-card champion IF those championship were elevated to the place they used to be back 20 years ago. If the mid-card were a pretty damned great location to be in terms of storylines then I would be completely fine with Ziggler there, but since it's not, and it's not likely to change anytime soon, I'd prefer to see him as world champion instead just so he gets that time as a featured performer like he deserves to be.
 
BTW: #Heel, what do YOU think about the idea of having Ziggler feud with Seth Rollins for the WWE title post Mania next year?


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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

BTW: #Heel, what do YOU think about the idea of having Ziggler feud with Seth Rollins for the WWE title post Mania next year?

Well Rico i think the feud would be excellent because i dont think either of them are capable of having a bad match.

It is something that i would personally enjoy however im not sure either of them have enough star power to make it appeal to everyone (or the vast majority)

Ziggler is getting some positive reactions out of the crowd which is pleasing and Rollins was getting a lot of heat but mainly due to his association with the authority and now that angle appears to be finished im not sure people will care that much about him now (i might be wrong)

For me, the best way this could work would be to have Ziggler win the title and then Rollins immediately cash in following a massive beat down from a few others (maybe Rusev and the likes)

There has to be a reason for the crowd to hate Rollins and Love Ziggler for this to really work but i definately think the match quality would be fantastic

It would also allow for both to get some quality mic time and really connect with the crowd

It would be a good avenue to explore post mania (as you mentioned) when the storylines are a bit slower 
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see I was thinking Brock gets beat by the Ryback at mania then falls to a mitb cashin by rollins 5 minutes later, retains over ryback's rematch then Ziggler challenges.
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Quite impressive to me that Ziggler did not take the pin from Rusev last night. He is the first, to my knowledge, not to simply get pinned or submit to Rusev. I THINK (could be wrong) this was Rusev's first DQ/countout loss. In any case, despite the fact that Rusev still pretty much squashed Ziggler after the match, it was noteworthy to me that Ziggler actually got the win in the match, even if this doesn't effect Rusev's undefeated streak.
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