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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/November/2014 at 02:20
yeah I definitely preferred Hollywood Rock, that is why I didn't mention him.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/November/2014 at 08:18
I did prefer Ziggler as a heel but his act was going stale and coupled with bad booking he was falling further down the card

They seem to be going for the "never give up" / "ultimate underdog " thing they did with Daniel Bryan and it seems to be working but now that the authority are out of power I'm not sure where they can go with this unless they do actually feel it's time for a heel turn and he will feud with Cena
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/November/2014 at 10:47
Yeah the never give up character will only take him so far, it will never get him above the likes of Cena, Ryback and Reigns which is why I wonder if hes being set up for a heel turn so he can then feud with the top faces and get great matches out of them.
I like the idea of Ziggler becoming part of a mini-stable with Ric Flair and Charlotte, similar to his little group with Big E and AJ Lee.
 
As for talent always being better as heels, yes that's true in the majority of cases, guys that I think are better as faces are Austin, Ryback, The Undertaker and Goldberg, but very few others spring to mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/November/2014 at 15:51
yeah the underdog story will only work for Ziggler like it did Bryan if the authority figure is a mega heel that screws him time and time again. Bryan's build worked because he got just enough teamwork from the other side to put him over in little ways and keep the fans from feeling defeated. Ziggler will need that same thing if he is to get over as a face. 

I think Ziggler will be a good face if he is ever given mic time. Give Ziggler the opening Raw spot on the show where he has 20-30 minutes as the primary talker, and I think he will succeed. Keep that from him and he will just be midcard.
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They may turn him into a Shawn Michaels-esque character. Looking at it, Shawn, no matter what angle he worked, was always the guy with incredible reslience, a guy who wouldn´t stay down and fight to the last breath. I can easily see Zigs go that way. (With his selling ability and his athelticism, easy. very easy.)

The talking part is right - like Rico said, Zigs needs to get the big talking spots once in a while, either at the show opener or at the one or two hour marks, where they usually have the big promos.
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i think he will be great in those spots too, but at this point, if he is not let him sink and drown and move on to someone else. At this point I think it is really shit or get off the pot with Ziggler as a main eventer. 
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

i think he will be great in those spots too, but at this point, if he is not let him sink and drown and move on to someone else. At this point I think it is really shit or get off the pot with Ziggler as a main eventer. 

Yes, they really have to pull through with Zigs this time. I have no doubt that Zigs himself will do anything and everything that is needed from him to keep his momentum going and succeed on this push. I also am fairly sure that - should he get colder again - WWE will drop him.
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Ziggler has been on the cusp of elevating himself many times in his career. He's an excellent athlete, has been given praise by many within the business as a great worker, and has received fairly large reactions from different crowds over the years. 

Do I think he is a main event level talent? Not yet. Right now he's a Jason Segel-esque name wherein I like watching him and I think he adds a great performance to the product but I don't necessarily want to see him as the main attraction and focus of the movie. And that's actually quite normal. I am a huge "Rowdy" Roddy Piper fan, but 99% of his best work was in the midcard, anchoring the show so that it wasn't dreadfully boring throughout the event. The same goes for Jake the Snake, Razor Ramon, Jeff Hardy, etc. 

Besides that, he isn't garnering a consistent enough reaction from the crowd YET to warrant a push to the main event. Do I think he could pull it off if given the chance? Sure, and I'd love to see him be given the ball and run with it. But even if he is put in the opening match and produces a great and highly entertaining match and doesn't ever elevate from there, I as a fan can live with that because he's fun to watch.
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That's fair IMO. The only problem I have with that argument, is that the mid-card is such SHIT these days that there's no room for a guy like Ziggler who IS imo too there with guys like Roberts and Razor and Piper in a mid-card environment because the mid-card is essentially non-existent.
In this day and age I can't imagine Piper, Roberts, Razor, DiBiase, Rude, Perfect and many others NOT being WWE champion were they around today instead of in their time.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

That's fair IMO. The only problem I have with that argument, is that the mid-card is such SHIT these days that there's no room for a guy like Ziggler who IS imo too there with guys like Roberts and Razor and Piper in a mid-card environment because the mid-card is essentially non-existent.
In this day and age I can't imagine Piper, Roberts, Razor, DiBiase, Rude, Perfect and many others NOT being WWE champion were they around today instead of in their time.

I don't necessarily think that the midcard is shit today, at least not any worse than it was in 1997 or 1995. And think about the hypothetical situation in where guys like Ziggler, Bray Wyatt, etc were NOT in the midcard. All we'd be left with are Slater-Gator, The Bunny, and the Bella Twins. Yeek.

I'd argue that what is a bigger problem than a devalued midcard is a over valued main event.  John Cena, Triple H/ Steph, and their wacky antics probably take up 4-5 different segments on RAW alone, with at least 2 of those segments going over 20 minutes every time (opening segment and main event). By contrast, most mid card acts only get a 5 minute match at best and a minute or so before/after to sell storylines that aren't promoted for the next PPV until the actual event starts. The main event is promoted so heavily that it ends up like beating a dead horse, while no fan is given time to sink his or her teeth into any of the midcard. 
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