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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Colohue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25/April/2018 at 09:50
I should point out that Diesel was pushed far ahead of Michaels for essentially his whole WWE run. A prolonged run as a team, a brief tag title run and an IC/US belt run for Ziggler could really establish McIntyre well when he does turn on Ziggler and take that belt away from him. 

I do keep wanting to type Galloway though.
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Quote I should point out that Diesel was pushed far ahead of Michaels for essentially his whole WWE run.

You're remembering it very differently than I am. I remember watching this as it happened, it's one of the few storylines during the mid-90's WWF I actually was interested in. I haven't watched it since it originally aired, but as memory serves, HBK wanted a bodyguard, got Diesel, and for the most part Diesel just sat in the background and helped Shawn cheat to win. THEN mid-way through their run together Diesel started getting popular and got pushed on his own singles career, built popularity overtook Shawn for a short time before Shawn triumphed in the end and Diesel went to WCW.

Yes Diesel had the spotlight for a time, but Diesel's time in the spotlight began and ended with Shawn Michaels. Long before there was Diesel, there was Shawn, and long after Diesel was gone, there was still Shawn.

Not to mention that Shawn completely out-earned Diesel, and out drew Diesel, so if Diesel was pushed far ahead of Michaels for ANY amount of time it was only because it was appropriate to the storyline, and was not his whole WWE run.

That said, I'm remembering back 25 years and haven't seen it since, so maybe I'm wrong, too, but speaking as a guy that watched it all go down (semi) live, you're talking about a very different story than the one I remember.

As far as Dolph & Drew are concerned though, if it goes down exactly like HBK & Diesel I'll be more than fine, because HBK & Diesel did feud over the WWF Championship, and I think Dolph & Drew could probably put on just as good of a show as HBK & Diesel did.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/April/2018 at 18:13
My memory of it went something like this.....

Shawn recruited Diesel as his bodyguard and as Rico said for a good while Diesel would sit in the background and just play the outside enforcer role, as his popularity gained he started working matches and won the Intercontinental title, also Shawn got injured which saw them switch roles with HBK being the man on the outside, they also had a spell with the tag-belts, eventually they split with Diesel turning babyface and becoming WWE champion, Shawn would face Diesel for the WWE title at Wrestlemania but lost via clean pinfall. The two men would eventually reunite as a team when Shawn turned face, Diesel eventually dropped the belt to Bret Hart I think and then turned heel for a brief period before heading to WCW.

So of the two Diesel was pushed harder I would say but it is Shawn who will be remembered as the bigger star of the two but that is largely due to Diesel spending a large chunk of his better years in WCW.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Quote I should point out that Diesel was pushed far ahead of Michaels for essentially his whole WWE run.

You're remembering it very differently than I am. I remember watching this as it happened, it's one of the few storylines during the mid-90's WWF I actually was interested in. I haven't watched it since it originally aired, but as memory serves, HBK wanted a bodyguard, got Diesel, and for the most part Diesel just sat in the background and helped Shawn cheat to win. THEN mid-way through their run together Diesel started getting popular and got pushed on his own singles career, built popularity overtook Shawn for a short time before Shawn triumphed in the end and Diesel went to WCW.

Yes Diesel had the spotlight for a time, but Diesel's time in the spotlight began and ended with Shawn Michaels. Long before there was Diesel, there was Shawn, and long after Diesel was gone, there was still Shawn.

This is exactly as it happened. Shawn was there waaaay first, and was in the middle of proving he is one of the best Intercontinental Champions ever when he brought in Diesel from WCW (where he was Diamond Dallas Page's sidekick Vinnie Vegas) as his new bodyguard/sidekick/mirror holder, replacing Scary Sherri. They had a WWF Tag Team Title run during this time. But Diesel, despite being a bad guy, became extremely popular (beginning when he eliminated a slew of people at the 1994 Royal Rumble) and was pushed to the World Title first, annihilating Bob Backlund. Diesel had a year long reign, including WrestleMania XI where he successfully defended against Shawn. 

In the meantime Shawn turned good after being attacked by his third sidekick Sid (Diesel's replacement) after WrestleMania XI and later had another Intercontinental title reign, won two Rumbles, and took the World Title from Bret Hart in a WrestleMania main event (Diesel won the same belt at a house show) when Diesel was on his way out back to WCW.   


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

As far as Dolph & Drew are concerned though, if it goes down exactly like HBK & Diesel I'll be more than fine, because HBK & Diesel did feud over the WWF Championship, and I think Dolph & Drew could probably put on just as good of a show as HBK & Diesel did.

That all being said, the actual comparisons of Dolph Ziggler & McIntyre to Diesel & Michaels I can kind of see even though I don't see neither Ziggler nor McIntyre as being as big. I can't believe so many people are leaping to this comparison; but I guess as most people here massively overate Ziggler and have high World Title hopes for him, the comparison is made by someone and it's like everyone else follows.

I was actually going to come into this thread and say that the team reminds me of McIntyre's former team with Cody Rhodes in the Dashing Ones, as both were arrogant and tried to be stylish. 


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I think the comparison for Shawn and Diesel is so widely accepted because of the size difference and honestly Drew doesn't seem to be "stylish" so much as muscle to back up Ziggler. I suppose that could change in the near future though.

Realistically though, I DO see tag title gold at the very least in these guys future, but I hope and think it makes the most sense to put the intercontinental championship on Ziggler. Rollins has been put over countless times by Ziggler in the past and I really hope he will pay that back to Ziggler in a great IC Title feud that sees Ziggler take the title with the help of Drew.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

I think the comparison for Shawn and Diesel is so widely accepted because of the size difference and honestly Drew doesn't seem to be "stylish" so much as muscle to back up Ziggler. I suppose that could change in the near future though.

See that's the difference between how I and some others see McIntyre. I see him more as a technical wrestler and finesse guy as opposed to a big muscle and power move guy as Diesel was. But yes Drew has put on muscle.  

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Realistically though, I DO see tag title gold at the very least in these guys future, but I hope and think it makes the most sense to put the intercontinental championship on Ziggler. Rollins has been put over countless times by Ziggler in the past and I really hope he will pay that back to Ziggler in a great IC Title feud that sees Ziggler take the title with the help of Drew.

Sure, the Tag Titles are very realistic for these guys fairly soon. And while I wouldn't mind another Intercontinental Title reign by Ziggler (after Rollins has a fair run that is), it wouldn't make any sense as Ziggler gave up the U.S. belt for supposedly bigger and better things and the IC belt would seem like a parallel move, as is his whole partnership with Drew in a larger sense. 

Based on his ambitions after giving up the U.S. belt it would make more sense for him to go full on after Brock, even if he gets pulverized.   

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Quote it wouldn't make any sense as Ziggler gave up the U.S. belt for supposedly bigger and better things and the IC belt would seem like a parallel move

That's completely fair. I agree, but at the same time I'm not sure that I can see the guys backstage saying you know who we should put the title on after Brock Lesnar? Dolph Ziggler. I think Ziggler would be a great champion for Raw, and could do a good job of it, but the likelihood of it seems pretty low at this point in time. I would definitely enjoy seeing him win the Universal belt, but I think the IC title is more realistic.
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These 2 are absolutely quality

McIntyre has star written all over him.

Ziggler, still needs new entrance music, but has shown slight changes in his character - hes even more arrogant but its not just the "im that damn good" arrogance - its the "ive got this unit to back me up now" sort of arrogance.

I'd like to see them have a title feud / title run for a little while before the inevitable split up and then have Drew enter MITB next year and win


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Yeah I’m loving this partnership. Drew should be booked like Diesel back in the day as a bad ass heel who is dominant in his matches. Dolph is great in the HBK role as a guy that’s beatable but he shines in all his matches due to his shear talent and will use heel tactics to get the job done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/May/2018 at 22:22
Were they on this last week's episode of Raw? It was left off the hulu presentation. I would have liked to have seen that segment.
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