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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/September/2019 at 11:22
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Chris Jericho as your first ever champion? It's got to be for the old tired line of 'name value' and no other reason.

You're wanting to be seen as a fresh, new, alternative company, so make your first ever champion an old guy known for working for your main competition.

It devalues your home grown talent because it shows that E experience and age counts for more.


Sorry man you're so wrong here.

AEW are a brand new company and are needing to attract more casual and jaded wrestling fans, they have the hardcore fan base no matter what they do, for now at least.

Chris Jericho is a established household name, despite being up there in years he can still hang with the best in the ring, he's one of the best promo men in the business and having now reinvented his character in AEW he's on one of the hottest runs of his career. He also has a proven track record as a headliner.

It also tells a better story having the arrogant Jericho walk in to AEW tv as the World Champion, he can now brag about succeeding in every major promotion in the World and how he was the first WWE Undisputed champion and now hes the first AEW World champion, and it will be a great rub for a up and coming talent who eventually dethrones him as champ.

Hangman Page is a solid talent but hes unproven as a top guy and hes virtually unknown to the casual audience. Jericho was definitely the right call to be the first champion.
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The other side of the story is if you make your inaugural champion someone who isn't well established as a big name in the wrestling world, then people look at it as a "who are you?" federation for years and years to come until that person goes to WWE and becomes a big name, like with RoH.

It's only in this last decade that people started really taking RoH seriously when names like Samoa Joe, CM Punk, Seth Rollins, Daniel Bryan and the like made big names for themselves.

That's fine, too, but AEW are here to make a big name for themselves NOW, not 10 years from now. Jericho helps them do that, and when Hangman Page or the like takes the title from Jericho later on, it means more and establishes him better than if he were the champion right from the start.

This is likely to be the very last, good run from Jericho. He's still good, but he's not as entertaining as he is now as he was in WWE a few years ago, and he's slowing down more and more all the time. If he's going to put someone over and establish a new star, he needs to do it NOW, and in order to do that, AEW need to make sure everyone knows he's the big hotshot in the company and whoever beats him is a big deal too.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:


This is likely to be the very last, good run from Jericho. He's still good, but he's not as entertaining as he is now as he was in WWE a few years ago, and he's slowing down more and more all the time.

Whilst i agree in part to this bit of your post, i kind of disagree with some of it too.

I find Jericho just as entertaining, promo wise, than ive ever found him - yes WWE has more scripted promos and AEW doesnt so that maybe why and i think we may see the best Jericho on the mic in AEW.

In terms of in the ring, I 100% agree - hes adapting his moveset to accomodate his age and slowing down but he is still capable of a really good match and hitting moves like the lionsault etc so theres still legs in him.

I do think we may only see 1 or 2 runs of him as the AEW champion.

In line with this topic, i still 100% stand by everything ive said and AEW have made the perfect choice picking Jericho as their first champion
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I aren't saying Jericho doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture. My only issue is a 48 year old best known for working the competition, being the guy carrying the company.

He's still brilliant both at promos and in his matches. I don't expect him to be a jobber and he deserves to be one of the high ups. I just wouldn't have had him as champion, just like in this day and age I wouldn't expect people of similar age like Goldberg and Hs to be carrying Raw or Smackdown as the face of a brand.

If people want to see Chris Jericho, it shouldn't matter to them if he's got the title or not for them to want to tune in.

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The other side of the story is if you make your inaugural champion someone who isn't well established as a big name in the wrestling world, then people look at it as a "who are you?" federation for years and years to come until that person goes to WWE and becomes a big name, like with RoH.

Or people look and think that as good as Jericho is with all his experience around the world for the biggest companies, who's this guy who beat him, thus that guy is elevated.

If Boxing was pre determined and started a new show I wouldn't expect Joshua, Ruiz, Fury, Wilder to be putting over older guys like Tyson, Bruno and Foreman.
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Except that Buster Douglas beat Tyson on a fluke. Also, Jericho put over Fandango at WrestleMania.

It goes both ways.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

I aren't saying Jericho doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture. My only issue is a 48 year old best known for working the competition, being the guy carrying the company.

He's still brilliant both at promos and in his matches. I don't expect him to be a jobber and he deserves to be one of the high ups. I just wouldn't have had him as champion, just like in this day and age I wouldn't expect people of similar age like Goldberg and Hs to be carrying Raw or Smackdown as the face of a brand.

If people want to see Chris Jericho, it shouldn't matter to them if he's got the title or not for them to want to tune in.

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The other side of the story is if you make your inaugural champion someone who isn't well established as a big name in the wrestling world, then people look at it as a "who are you?" federation for years and years to come until that person goes to WWE and becomes a big name, like with RoH.


Or people look and think that as good as Jericho is with all his experience around the world for the biggest companies, who's this guy who beat him, thus that guy is elevated.

If Boxing was pre determined and started a new show I wouldn't expect Joshua, Ruiz, Fury, Wilder to be putting over older guys like Tyson, Bruno and Foreman.


I would agree with much of what you're saying if AEW were a established company, but they are not they are brand new and very much in the stages of building their viewership, therefore it is vital that they have a flagbearer for the company right now that everyone can recognise and appreciate, Hangman Page was not the right choice for that.

Also as people including Jericho himself have stated Jericho can still perform at a top level, age is just a number its about how much entertainment and value for money the talent can provide and Jericho can still provide more than countless talents far younger than him.
If for example AEW had signed Bill Goldberg it would be different I would have very mixed feelings if they had chosen him as their first World Champion, on one hand I would understand the name value and appeal to the casual audience that Goldberg has and there would be a lot of intrigue in the short term for sure, but Goldberg has also proved during his handful of matches and appearances over the past 15 years that he is extremely limited in what he can do and cannot produce the kind of matches consistently that would be expected from the top guy in a company. However that is not the case with Jericho.

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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

I aren't saying Jericho doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture. My only issue is a 48 year old best known for working the competition, being the guy carrying the company.

He's still brilliant both at promos and in his matches. I don't expect him to be a jobber and he deserves to be one of the high ups. I just wouldn't have had him as champion, just like in this day and age I wouldn't expect people of similar age like Goldberg and Hs to be carrying Raw or Smackdown as the face of a brand.

If people want to see Chris Jericho, it shouldn't matter to them if he's got the title or not for them to want to tune in.

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The other side of the story is if you make your inaugural champion someone who isn't well established as a big name in the wrestling world, then people look at it as a "who are you?" federation for years and years to come until that person goes to WWE and becomes a big name, like with RoH.


Or people look and think that as good as Jericho is with all his experience around the world for the biggest companies, who's this guy who beat him, thus that guy is elevated.

If Boxing was pre determined and started a new show I wouldn't expect Joshua, Ruiz, Fury, Wilder to be putting over older guys like Tyson, Bruno and Foreman.


I would agree with much of what you're saying if AEW were a established company, but they are not they are brand new and very much in the stages of building their viewership, therefore it is vital that they have a flagbearer for the company right now that everyone can recognise and appreciate, Hangman Page was not the right choice for that.

Also as people including Jericho himself have stated Jericho can still perform at a top level, age is just a number its about how much entertainment and value for money the talent can provide and Jericho can still provide more than countless talents far younger than him.
If for example AEW had signed Bill Goldberg it would be different I would have very mixed feelings if they had chosen him as their first World Champion, on one hand I would understand the name value and appeal to the casual audience that Goldberg has and there would be a lot of intrigue in the short term for sure, but Goldberg has also proved during his handful of matches and appearances over the past 15 years that he is extremely limited in what he can do and cannot produce the kind of matches consistently that would be expected from the top guy in a company. However that is not the case with Jericho.

Bottom line is Adders is just an ageist and always was. I remember nine years ago when I first joined I was confused as to why the admin was always hating on veterans. Bad Guy (who used to be a long time regular here) explained to me that Adders has always hated on veterans. 

Fletch also had a good analysis of the differences between how the AEW fan base would react to Goldberg as opposed to Jericho. They are two different types of wrestlers. Plus Goldberg of course has had some recent sub par to bad performances whereas Jericho rarely ever has. But the concept of name recognition is still the same. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Also, Jericho put over Fandango at WrestleMania.

And what a horrible move that was I still say. 


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In fairness I think WWE quickly realised they made a mistake putting Fandango over Jericho as they gave Jericho a return win straight away, sometimes things work sometimes they don't. 

Jericho is a household name in the business who has strong appeal with hardcore wrestling fans,  Goldberg while also a household name does not have that same appeal and most of these kind of fans who are exactly the kind of fans AEW is attracting right now tend to hate on Goldberg at this point of his career, so while Goldberg as champ would have created some buzz for AEW I think most of their loyal fans who will likely form the backbone of their fanbase for years to come would have hated it and would maybe have even turned their back on the company as a result. 

And yes Adders has always hated on veteran wrestlers but I think he does it partly to be controversial and to troll the people who leap to the defence of the vets he's criticising Big smile


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Jericho is one of my all time favourites and his bubbly t shirt I would happily wear it.

There is nobody better ever in the business for reinventing themselves. He's got at least a dozen different catchphrases over and gets over whatever he's doing.

I just don't like the idea of someone who's always going to be seen as a E guy and edging towards fifty being the face of a brand new fresh alternative company over their own guys.
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This is absolute gold

Y2J at his best 

Le double champion - thats french for double champion is one of the greatest lines
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